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Dr Henry · **Posted:** April 14th, 2014, 6:49 pm

SparkyAMS wrote:

but my vote was just purely a OMGUS vote

Right...

My vote stands.

Tennis Ace · **Posted:** April 14th, 2014, 6:58 pm

I believe this is the current vote tally. Basically we are nowhere close to a lynch.

Sighence - bluecoat
Riptide - Thr
bluecoat - Tennis Ace
Sparky - Aragorn, Dr Henry, bluecoat
Dr Henry - Sparky
Thr - Spiro

SparkyAMS · **Posted:** April 14th, 2014, 7:08 pm

There is no vote on Sighence currently, but besides that yeah.

Anyway I just wanted to say, that people have mentioned that if villagers are on the wrong track, then the mafia will just let the arguments stay on that and do nothing. That being said, I feel that the argument between me and Ace that lasted ALL DAY, was kept in play and instigated by: Dr Henry.

So my vote ALSO stands.

Thr · **Posted:** April 14th, 2014, 7:27 pm

How many people do we need to initiate a lynch? I assume like. 7? Anyway I'm up for lynching Henry too. We can't just sit here and do nothing. That happened the last four days, so I hope we gathered some good information (Well at-least I know did. However will take me some time to compile into a post) For now I urge you to take a look through ALL the posts and look for patterns. We have a slight jump on the mafia and we shouldn't waste it.

Spirographed · **Posted:** April 14th, 2014, 8:16 pm

Both of you wanting Henry lynched makes me think he might be town. Especially with Thr's "I'm down for lynching Henry" without an accompanying vote.

Thr · **Posted:** April 14th, 2014, 8:38 pm

Spirographed wrote:

Both of you wanting Henry lynched makes me think he might be town. Especially with Thr's "I'm down for lynching Henry" without an accompanying vote.

And with you thinking Henry's town makes me think your even a bigger suspect of being mafia. It go's both ways.

Spirographed · **Posted:** April 14th, 2014, 9:34 pm

Nah. It going both ways sounds good on paper, but it doesn't in fact go both ways.

A.) You think I'm an even *bigger* suspect now, but have failed to mention why I was such a *big* suspect to you in the first place.

B.) I don't think Henry's town. He still seems scummy as Fuzzy Bunny

to me, but you two have given me a shadow of a doubt. I'll keep my votes to you or Sparky, for now...

Kikori · **Posted:** April 14th, 2014, 9:52 pm

Thr is troubling me. There's been enough going around that he should have something to say against multiple people, but he's always trying again against Aragorn somewhere in the day. At this point, there's gotta be enough devotion there to bring up the possibility that he needs Aragorn lynched to win. Hunter kind of role, I think its official name is.

The Sparky-Henry argument has been going on a while, and by now feels kind of forced. Both their votes look fairly justified, but they're calling out each other on reasoning for it as well. One thing does strike me pretty hard, though.

Sparky wrote:

but my vote was just purely a OMGUS vote

OMGUS is literally voting for someone just because they vote for you. You made it a point to show you were upset at Tennis for voting for you because you followed advice he gave. Logic, not OMGUS.
Good logic. Understandable logic. That he wasn't 'confirmed' at the time and being taken seriously doesn't paint you as a Mafia, either. But trying to paint that vote as purely OMGUS, however, starts to.

Not enough for the vote yet. I still don't like Bluecoat's position here. You don't double check something you base a vote off of, look for what you can't read instead of what you can, and call out helpfulness of all things... all in one post? Either them's some brass balls, or you're really not caring what kind of attention you get.

Muscular Ape · **Posted:** April 14th, 2014, 11:45 pm

Tennis Ace wrote:

Ape, you're right.

And that's why I need to be clear that I am coming at this solely from my perspective, under the assumption that I am a Villager. If you put yourself in my shoes (assuming I'm a Villager - and yes I'm aware that you can't *know* that I am one, but it's really the only way to pick apart my post).

The reason I said that it was easier for the Mafia to jump on my lynch train rather than my defense train was because there were, what, four posts in a row ganging up on me? I should have said it would have been easier to say nothing as a Mafia member. Just let people build the suspicion on Tennis Ace. The fact that they came out and said that it doesn't make sense makes me think, again as a presumed Townie, that only another Townie would do that. I was already somewhat convinced that Kikori and Lander are Townies themselves as I said earlier, so it was more of a confirmation for those two. If Spiro had posted third rather than second, I would have been more wary that it was just someone joining in at the last minute to agree, but his emphasis of what Kikori said really resonated with me.

And with the whole Sparky vs. Dr Henry thing, you saw my list of who I suspect. The majority of the people I haven't deemed Townies HAVE to be Mafia members. And yes, two of them DID vote against me. I'm not just picking them because of that though. Tons of people got votes last round. It's pretty obvious that the Mafia split their votes. Since I had multiple votes, I'm assuming at least one of the Mafia members put a vote on me.

Ape, I have nothing concrete against you at this point. Thus far, I have just felt your posts haven't seem very genuine. Again, gut instinct, no proof, etc. This is why I voted against bluecoat this round instead of you.

All fair enough points.

Even your one about my posts not seeming very genuine. I actually agree with you, and I apologise. It's just my intentions that you're wrong about. I have not had the time nor energy to dedicate myself to this game as much as I would have liked to. I admit I have very much been skim-reading, hence my general reluctance to throw too many accusations around. While there are valid excuses for that, here is nor the time nor the place for me to delve into them, and regardless of them I should have added more. In my defence here, I could name several people who I feel like have made similar contributions to myself, if not less.

Tennis Ace wrote:

And posts just like the one you made, Ape, are why I have been, and still am, wary of you.

You literally went through every single paragraph of a post I made trying to prove me wrong. It's so strange to me because looking at my post, it seems... logical? Like, it all makes sense to me at least.

So yes, we're basically back at what I said before; whoever disagrees with you must be mafia. The way you initially explained it was illogical, your elaboration, I'm okay with.

Colour me confused, though. Why wouldn't I defend myself when (genuinely, as opposed to a passing mention) accused? Who wouldn't do the same? In fact, many others have done the same in this very game and will do so in every game. I'd normally be inclined to blame you conveniently ignoring them on ulterior motive, but I guess I'll have to settle on narcissism or tunnel vision for now.

Tennis Ace wrote:

I imagine that such a defensive rebuttal is likely because of the singular paragraph where I said we should analyze your posts more thoroughly because I am suspicious of you. I think it makes sense though! My suspicions literally back up a post I made up on Day 2, so I wanted to bring it back up, so it didn't get lost in the newer pages. You've ignored other peoples' posts where your name hasn't been included, but you addressed my entire post basically trying to tell me that I am wrong about every single thing.

A nice example of Confirmation Bias where you willingly admit the evidence you have is your new suspicions confirming your old suspicions.

I imagine that such a defensive rebuttal will be received by anyone going to great lengths to point the finger at me. Thus far, you are the only one, so please don't flatter yourself on that front!

I am happy for people to analyse my posts, as I said previously. I can even go and collect them all for you into a new post, if you like? I really do have nothing to hide. I suspect you and others would rather read back yourself, though, as context is everything.

On the ignoring other people's posts, you're right. I won't deny it. I have been skim-reading. I expect to pick up my game in the coming few days.

Tennis Ace wrote:

And then you go on to say that you believe Sighence as detective and that I am a Villager. So I'm that misguided then? I don't buy it.

This comment is the definition of confirmation bias; using something this weak re-affirm your position. You realise that villager is the alignment that lends itself most to being misguided, right? Your egotism is starting to get the better of you.

Muscular Ape · **Posted:** April 14th, 2014, 11:58 pm

bluecoat wrote:

As much as I would LIKE to vote for Muscular Ape, who I has come off as far too helpful this game, I did promise you people I would vote on trains I didn't start myself. Sparky, who I can never get a read on. If Thr's post count is to be believed (I'm not double checking it), Sparky's just posting and hiding. I'D PREFER TO WATCH HIM MORE, but you people have forced my hand.

I do insist that everyone vote for Muscular Ape tomorrow though, he's being too damn helpful. Him or Riptide. Hell, if the Sparky train doesn't go anywhere, I'd be willing to switch to Rip. Dunno why, just a gut instinct. Those tend to be pretty decent.

Huh? I honestly feel like I haven't been very helpful at all. I don't really know what to say to this. Did I miss the sarcasm? >_>

bluecoat · **Posted:** April 15th, 2014, 12:07 am

Kikori wrote:

Not enough for the vote yet. I still don't like Bluecoat's position here. You don't double check something you base a vote off of, look for what you can't read instead of what you can, and call out helpfulness of all things... all in one post? Either them's some brass balls, or you're really not caring what kind of attention you get.

Brass is far too soft a metal to describe my testes.

And we've been over this. Mafia don't place votes, they place speculation and see what sticks. They like people to like them. That is why I look for helpfulness in potential targets for lynches. Villagers are Fuzzy Bunny

.

bluecoat · **Posted:** April 15th, 2014, 12:08 am

And don't worry too much about it Musc, I'm suspecting you less and less with each post.

Sighence · **Posted:** April 15th, 2014, 1:54 am

OH.

bluecoat

I'm dumb.

He's already admitted to being the DM.

The DM is never on the players' side.

This is partially satire and partially could-be-a-real-thing. As it is, I know you're not currently clear, so with five people theoretically clear, the village has all but won already so long as we always lynch. My vote will stay here for now but I'm largely flexible between the seven non-cleared.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** April 15th, 2014, 2:01 am

Sighence wrote:

OH.

bluecoat

I'm dumb.

He's already admitted to being the DM.

The DM is never on the players' side.

This is partially satire and partially could-be-a-real-thing. As it is, I know you're not currently clear, so with five people theoretically clear, the village has all but won already so long as we always lynch. My vote will stay here for now but I'm largely flexible between the seven non-cleared.

DM?

I must have missed something here, let me go re-read back a few pages.

Dr Henry · **Posted:** April 15th, 2014, 9:39 am

SparkyAMS wrote:

There is no vote on Sighence currently, but besides that yeah.

Anyway I just wanted to say, that people have mentioned that if villagers are on the wrong track, then the mafia will just let the arguments stay on that and do nothing. That being said, I feel that the argument between me and Ace that lasted ALL DAY, was kept in play and instigated by: Dr Henry.

So my vote ALSO stands.

In what way did I instigate your argument? I asked you to back up your vote with some actual logic.

Now Thr and Spiro are jumping in and saying I look like mafia yet neither are placing votes my way. I would have agreed with Spiro's first post about Thr being suspicious from that, but then his next post just does the same thing.

Which is annoying, as I was hoping to narrow my suspicions down and then you both do something silly like make me look at both of you suspiciously :/

Bluecoat mentioned something about Ape being far too helpful, and that makes him look like a mafia to him. In that logic, the other two people who seem to be 'helpful' on similar lines are Thr and Tennis Ace.

Now Tennis is partially cleared by Sighence, but Thr has gathered suspicion all the time. Blue's logic seems all over the place at the moment, since he focused on Ape, and then says he suspects him less, but still wants everyone to vote for him tomorrow, and I just don't understand what he is thinking. He claimed DM a while ago, and we've not really heard much from that in a while. He says Riptide is suspicious from 'gut instinct' but I'm not sure that is the case. Witholding information on purpose isn't really beneficial to the village cause.

bluecoat · **Posted:** April 15th, 2014, 10:48 am

Ape's post following my own most recent wasn't one that I expected from mafia. Staying suspicious for the sake of a bad joke about my stubbornness would be dumb. And my Dungeon Master role hasn't kicked in the last two nights, so I have nothing new to report.

Let me say a few things to you guys. Last game, in The Masquerade, I exclusively voted for and targeted mafia members. The only one I missed was Cornelius, who though I suspected, decided to not vote for because he was dropping "new player tells". How did this perfect-ish game help the village? No lynches until long after I died and the village was screwed... so, it didn't.

Instead of playing like the smug Fuzzy Bunny

I always am, making a single vote at the start of a given day and watching for the rest, I'm trying on a new hat. I'm voting for multiple people, and posting the insane logic I always use when coming to a decision. I'm doing this so that a lynch may occur. I've also decided to break my own rule of responding to criticism, and I'm already regretting that.

As for my guilt for flip flopping, I can't argue with that logic other than to say I don't consider many of the arguments in this game to be based on "logic". What I will say is this: I came forward with a detection ability on day 2, when I thought I had a hit with Kikori. The only time a mafia member would do that is if they were attempting an early game bus, and that is entirely dependent on Kikori's innocence/guilt. That last part is logic. If Kikori is guilty, bluecoat may be guilty. Kikori himself has already confirmed that my D20 ability exists in some shape or form, and that it triggered on him.

Dr Henry · **Posted:** April 15th, 2014, 11:49 am

bluecoat wrote:

Ape's post following my own most recent wasn't one that I expected from mafia. Staying suspicious for the sake of a bad joke about my stubbornness would be dumb. And my Dungeon Master role hasn't kicked in the last two nights, so I have nothing new to report.

Nothing at all, in two nights of UPick? Or even day abilities?

How does your role trigger then? Complete randomness... only when a player's action roles at 1-5 or something?

Sighence · **Posted:** April 15th, 2014, 12:15 pm

bluecoat wrote:

Let me say a few things to you guys. Last game, in The Masquerade, I exclusively voted for and targeted mafia members. The only one I missed was Cornelius, who though I suspected, decided to not vote for because he was dropping "new player tells". How did this perfect-ish game help the village? No lynches until long after I died and the village was screwed... so, it didn't.

You forget how easily verifiable this is. You entirely missed me, too.
This doesnt much matter, though. We gotta lynch if the town edge is to hold. unvote

Sparky

bluecoat · **Posted:** April 15th, 2014, 12:20 pm

Dr Henry wrote:

bluecoat wrote:

Ape's post following my own most recent wasn't one that I expected from mafia. Staying suspicious for the sake of a bad joke about my stubbornness would be dumb. And my Dungeon Master role hasn't kicked in the last two nights, so I have nothing new to report.

Nothing at all, in two nights of UPick? Or even day abilities?

How does your role trigger then? Complete randomness... only when a player's action roles at 1-5 or something?

Complete randomness. A D20 is rolled every time a role ability is attempted, and it triggers on a 1 or 20.

Thr · **Posted:** April 15th, 2014, 12:53 pm

Ok, so I think its time for me to explain myself and my actions up to this point. I said I had my own plans, and they were successful. I will break it into steps.

1st. I installed the thought that I was Jester. This was completely on purpose, because I wanted to use the though as a shield. (I denied it one or two times to make me look more suspicious)

2nd. I needed to back the thought I was Jester, so I went after Aragorn the least likely to be mafia. This would look suspicious and make way for step three.

3rd. With the suspicion that I was Jester I used my natural ability to look scummy, and try to fish out the mafia. By getting people to try and question me, I can pick out the people that make me want to slip up and attempt to direct attention to me.

Slip ups -
I really did miscount the post's. I got lazy and tried to count 3 different people at a time.
I didn't expect for only one person to die by day four. My information is not as useful as it would be with less people.

Results

Kikori - He was the first person to vote on me aside from day one. I'm pretty sure he's villager. When he said why, it wasn't picking out the small things and really trying to crack down. It was with reason, and not mafia nit-picked.

Bluecoat - He has almost convinced me he is mafia. Mainly for these reasons below.

bluecoat wrote:

Thr wrote:

Day 2 Mafia outdone? That or Aragorn has some weird mafia ability to make it look like he was attacked to draw off suspicion he's mafia.

Thr wrote:

That is exactly what I was trying to say. Its a mafia role that lets him look like a townie, by a fake attack. (I think this is a possibility) And yes the jester was me joking.

Thr wrote:

Topsummoner wrote:

I would like to state I still think Aragorn may be mafia. The text is flavored in a way to make Aragorn say it. So... I'm just putting that out there.

Also I have to admit, Jaron just posting comics is amusing but has he actually said anything? It worry's me.

These are the posts of Thr's I'm basing my vote off of. Mafia like to cast doubt on folks who survive night attacks. It's a true statement that no one is ever "confirmed", and it goes without saying that every bit of information should be taken with a grain of salt, but this sort of speculation is detrimental to the day. In the early days of the game the village should always be looking to lower it's number of potential lynch targets to improve its odds of getting a lynch. Those "confirmed" villagers can always be revisited later. Yes, the games might end on day 4 due to bad lynches, but folks need to understand that "not making a move until we're about to lose" is a terrible strategy for any game.

As for the quotes about believing Aragorn to be mafia and not voting for him, not voting is the second most useful thing mafia can do, the first being vote. And that's why it's always the guy who votes second.

bluecoat wrote:
Thr, the tl;dr version is I will unvote you as soon as you place a vote.

Now this... This is what I call suspicious. He based his vote on me for "Speculation", and then said he would un-vote me as soon as I cast a vote. This was later wrote off with this. (The reason im still not 100% sure on him)
bluecoat wrote:
I didn't move my vote because I'm still not sure about you.

Thr's only played a couple games to my knowledge; he was making a lot of the same mistakes I saw in FriskyAl, and they are things that get you lynched. I don't start trains on newer players this early in the game, but he needed the kick/advice.

Lesser notes.

Spirographed wrote:

Thr wrote:
bluecoat wrote:
I didn't move my vote because I'm still not sure about you.

Thr's only played a couple games to my knowledge; he was making a lot of the same mistakes I saw in FriskyAl, and they are things that get you lynched. I don't start trains on newer players this early in the game, but he needed the kick/advice.

I'm not doing most of this by mistake, I have my own plans. Unless I don't time it right like last game.

Obvious 3rd Party. [b]Thr, because your agenda is of no use to the town and just plain complicates an already (obvIously) complicated game.

This just bugged me. I was giving off the hints of jester, not a random 3rd party. Because of me saying I had plans, isn't really a good enough evidence to shrug that off.

Muscular Ape wrote:

I am pretty sure Thr is alluding to his strategy of 'fishing' out mafia that he used two games ago. Funnily enough, in that game, it also made him seem very much like scum to me. He is pretty much playing the same way as he was in that game, where he ended up being town, which is why I'm not feeling it at the moment. Am I missing a subtle distinction?

If your mafia this may have effected my plan. I don't really think you are though, but you didn't vote on me so I couldn't gather much on you. (I really wish you hadn't stated this, even if you were trying to be helpful)

Say Sighence's results hold true, and he is detective.
That clears
Sighence
Lander
Tennice
Then, Aragorn is very unlikely.

I think these people are Villagers

Kikori - Because of my own data collecting
Ape - He hasn't really put off a mafia vibe to me. (But i wasnt able to get him to jump on my trail so...)
Sparky - I don't see why everyones suspecting him. I think its a mafia initiated

Mafia suspects. (Due to people left and data collecting)

Bluecoat - I stated why
Spirographed - He has given off a few suspicious posts (I stated some)
Dr. Henry - He has been fueling the debates, like Tennis's, and now Sparkys.
Riptide - He has been under the radar in my opinion. Just sketchy.

Then there's me. It's up to you guys to decide. I can't tell you what I think of myself without being biased.

That is all for now. I'm working on recounting those post's. Its pretty boring doing so. Got day 1 info fixed, and half of day 2.

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