RV has been dead for years, it's been a shambling corpse of what it once was, and what it was once intended to be.

When you could start getting banned from chat because your font color was "hard to read" and no moderator would do anything about it? Or when your posts would be edited and your information edited/deleted because it didn't coincide with their views?

That's when RV died... It's just been a debacle propped up by hopes and dreams. Just let it go peacefully.

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"Civil disobedience is still disobience."

FTFY bro.

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I believe, is a rare kind of happiness"

I think it has been broken for some time

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Neither of those were ever allowed. We did have a bunch of moderators that vastly overstepped their boundaries but almost all the ones that did what you mention were demodded.

Which is bound to happen, I guess, on a site run purely by volunteers, but still not preferred.

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Hello!

The reason I joined RV was because Jaron got me addicted to Minecraft and he let me know that RV had there own server. Because of this, most (if not all) people here that know me from posting in the Minecraft forum area. Anyway my point here is that out of all the things I have done at RV, like mafia Minecraft and TF2, the one I haven't done is Runescape. Whenever I get on the forums, I am greeted by the Mine Village forum theme option that I love, and if you hit the home button you see a page labeled "The Village". So for me, even though RV has obviously been used for Runescape users, I have only seen it from my perspective as a fun forum for everything.

If I had a choice, I would make it to where if you tried to go to http://www.runevillage.com, it would redirect you to a new website called http://www.thevillage.com

From that name alone there is no obvious connection to Runescape, yet while still keeping the general feel of "The Village"

I love the name Village, because it represents a group of people and friends, if you get rid of that, then whats the point?

So I'm not saying it should be a "revamp" necessarily, but more of a new generation of villagers.

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Words cannot express how nice it was to see you post on this site again.

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No, I disagree, Runevillage has been a big part of my life quite a joy to hang out here and no Runevillage should not be allowed to die.

Jackstick, what are the current stats of Runevillage website? and how much are you paying for hosting and domain??

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I was going to respond to this in private, but I feel it is best put out in the open to further explain my previous post.


The truth of the matter is as such; the Moderation and Staff worked tirelessly to bring the site back, to nurture it. During the time frame I mentioned, the respective guides and other maintenance teams made it very apparent that help was needed, but were met with radio silence from the public. As such, the five of us still around working on the entire backend for the site, pressed onward. We had shown our dedication to the site and were brought in behind closed doors to try and help better the site, in the staff palace with the moderation staff.
From there the oft mentioned "What now?" topics were discussed with the people that had taken over Hiker's baby and tried to bring it back from an otherwise bottomless chasm that the active public at the time saw it to be down.
Dislike it all you want, but that statement was correct. The people that at the time actively cared about bringing the site a second wind were, in fact, in the behind the scenes discussions.


I did not, however, mean to insinuate that those without a rank go themselves. There are very obviously still people with the desire to keep the site going that very easily rivals the ones that we had back then.

I take great offense to calling my view of the events back then narrow minded, as I had only the intentions of bettering the site for the userbase and the overall site itself, as did the four that worked alongside me. The sheer amount of hours that we put in to "fixing" the site would have driven others to leave without question. To call the effort thankless is an understatement.

As for your involvement in staff activities, I cannot comment on them. When I was around doing basically everything I possibly could behind the scenes, you weren't here. At the time of my departure, the rest of the Site Maintenance Staff's fuel to rebuild the site had dissipated; just none had actively stepped back from the position.



Emphasis mine.
This is the exact same thing that happened back when I was still part of the Staff. Hell, even the last sentence was something I had said word for word in the past.

For the longest time the guides teams were still bound by leaders that had long since departed the site, but were not replaced. Getting people added to the groups was nothing more than an additional chore for the administration to take care of in their brief moments of respite. At the time, I firmly believed that any of the five of us should have been made group leaders, at least then we could have been able to outright sit down and fix the cumbersome standards that were untouched, dating back to 2006.

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What do you specifically mean by "current stats"?

USD $34.70/month for hosting, and about $11/year for domain.

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I didnt think the current host was that expensive. Wow

Im happy to set up hosting without cPanel for RV which will be MUCH less per year

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Excerpt from a PM in my inbox from years ago.



Sure they got "de-modded" Jaron.

RuneVillage was more or less a club, and the A-listers were the mods. People suck(ed?) up to them and get buddy-buddy and anyone who didn't kow-tow to their whims was met with whatever "power" a mod could exert over them. That's my memory of how moderation worked here.

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"Civil disobedience is still disobience."

Yeah, you're probably right to an extent. That's a pretty dumb PM on hiker's part, honestly. I do seem to recall something like that was in the rules though, but as a clause for stopping rule-breakers rather than to be used for ultimate power. Every time someone got kicked for font colors I raised a shitstorm and eventually all of the Chat admins were on my side on the matter, haha.

(Some did get demodded; I can think of two examples immediately of those who did what you mentioned (but I'm not gonna name names, sorry.) I can also think of at least one that wasn't though so yeah it went both ways.)

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I think you have seriously overpaid for hosting and domain but wait what platform is RV on? VPS or Semi Dedicated?

Domain wise you could easily get one below USD$10/year and for hosting wise, can RV fit into a Linux Shared Hosting plan? If yes I will sponsor a year of hosting for RV which will cost below the current price you're paying.

Current stats I'm referring to website stats e.g. number of visits per month etc. and also what's the web resource usage currently for RV? how much disk space and bandwidth utilized?

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There are a lot of feels in this topic.

I really have enjoyed my time at RV over the last 4 years, met some really great people, and while it's sad to see the site die i feel it is silly to keep it running, the only reason i saw this topic is because i logged in for the first time in like 2 months.

If there is another RV community area i'd love to be able to pop in now and again though.

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Thanks Lou for the help with the avatar.

How much would it cost if we found a host if we dropped the chat. Much as I love the thing, it's not workin anymore. I'd rather keep the site running than have a chat that occasionally I see one person on.

As I recall, the chat requires some magical host type or something. So dropping that would allow us to probably cut the expenses significantly. It's not that cost is a major issue, but it would make the people donating to keeping things going get more out of their buck.

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Hi all,

Jackstick gave me approval to make a new account in order to post on this thread, and share my thoughts. I'm not going to go on about my thoughts on the past moderators and administrators, as my history with this website is well known and is no longer worth discussing. I will discuss my thoughts on the sense of maintaining RV as an entity, and I will try to be concise. There is no sense beating a dead horse.

For the few of you who still believe RuneVillage can ever become much more than it is now, I'd like to remind you that social websites, such as web forums, are subject to network effects. For those of you who didn't take Business 101, networks often become exponentially more valuable based on the number of people who use them, which, if managed properly, can give them a sustained edge over competitors.

This can be expressed mathematically based on Metcalfe's Law, but to think about it simply, it just means that the total number of possible connections between users increases as the number of users rises. That, in turn, makes the network more valuable to potential users and makes them more likely to sign up, which increases the number of possible connections, and so on.

RuneVillage used to benefit from that sort of network, but for reasons that have been discussed in great detail already in this topic, it has lost them. It is very difficult to restore a fading network, and it is even more difficult to do so when searching for that network on Google brings up a YouTube video about the former owner's heinous legal indiscretions.

Given that this is the case, paying anything to maintain this site at this point is a joke. There will be no resurgence, and there will be no return on that money, ever. Spending even one dime on upkeep is a 100% loss from day one. There are any number of free alternatives out there if you want to keep the site's community together, so there's no sense paying one red cent to do so.

RV is worth more dead (nothing) than alive (less than nothing) at this point, and honestly, even if you do pay for cheaper hosting, the benefit from doing so as opposed to using something free is basically nothing. You're still not going to gain any new members or breathe any life to the community, so the cheapest alternative is the best one. It will give the 15 remaining active members the ability to keep their community going as they slowly forget about RuneVillage, and won't cost anyone anything.

Spending less money for the same end result is always the better alternative from a capital allocation perspective. For those of you who do not understand the concept, I recommend reading The Outsiders. Doing so will help you learn how to allocate your resources most efficiently, and that is a skill that will be useful to you for the rest of your life. And, as an added benefit, you get to learn all about what a badass John Malone is and how awesome Henry Singleton was. The stories are pretty cool if you're in to business or management at all, and personally, it's my favorite investing book in years.

Anyway, I'm glad to see most people aren't blaming Jackstick for the train wreck RV has become. I really do think that, had he been in charge earlier on, he could have prevented RV from becoming the ghost town it is today. But now it's time for him to shut down the old textile mill and buy some insurance companies. Or shut down the website and buy some pizza. Whatever.

As for "the Suburbs," just remember that time is the most valuable asset most of you have at this point in your lives, so be careful how you decide to allocate it. I recommend allocating it with this.

Good luck to you, however you decide to proceed.

As I said before, defeatists can step aside and just hand off leadership to people who don't want to just give up on the community.

I see no point in leaving a suicidal captain at the helm.

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I don't plan to give up on the community. The popular opinion here is that we cut away all the dead/unnecessary bits, downsize, cut costs down to a minimum or possibly even free, but still keep RV around as a place for people to stay connected, reconnect, and communicate. This, I believe, is a good and realistic idea.

I also don't plan to step aside, certainly not for the sake of the delusional notion that a regime change is what we need to suddenly bounce back out of the grave we've found ourselves in.

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Hey all.

I know I haven't posted here in a long time, and I doubt if many of you even remember me at this point. I'd say I was most involved with the Guild Wars crew back in that day, and also recall many quality conversations with Nintendodude and Kik. My deepest apologies if I have omitted anybody (and I almost certainly have); it has been a long time. Please know that I do care for you!

I realize some of you that do remember me might recall being annoyed or frustrated with me. If this is the case, I apologize. I was not even 13 years old at the time and was a pretty awkward kid, even by internet standards.

Despite my inactivity, I've checked in with the site quite frequently, as many others have. I'll spare you all the story about how I spent my middle school through college years here.

I realize that I don't know many of you remainders that well, but I do have fond memories of this place. If anybody cares to talk - for the purposes of general life stuff or nostalgia's sake - I'm Joel. Hit me up at koperjoela@umich.edu.

Cheers to the good times, here's to more.

Joel

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We could take away the chatroom since theres hardly any activity in there, also the large amount of members on the forum, might be time to clear up. Other than that, the forum with its pool of active users and the site should be here to stay.

Jack, how long more till the next due date for hosting? Consider downsizing to shared hosting plan instead of staying on dedicated servers. Honestly I don't see how downsizing to free will help us, I'm willing to invest in RV to kickstart a plan to save RV, even if at the end of the day, we don't see new members, I still feel good seeing the small group of community getting together.

Loads of memories here, am a member of RV since I was 14 and now I'm 24, time flies. Still remember back then my account was banned for promoting autominer for Runescape....

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