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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 5th, 2012, 10:25 am 
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Had he made it to trial? No; he'd not have survived. I've said that before on the last page. You still continue to ignore that I was the lynchpin in actually getting him tried. And it's not really 'before' finalizing my stance against him; more like 'while'. Think of it as my reason for voting him - not only did he go with something improbable, he went with a role that, as given, essentially begged to be tried and convicted to be confirmed.


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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 5th, 2012, 12:10 pm 
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Had he made it to trial? No; he'd not have survived. I've said that before on the last page. You still continue to ignore that I was the lynchpin in actually getting him tried. And it's not really 'before' finalizing my stance against him; more like 'while'. Think of it as my reason for voting him - not only did he go with something improbable, he went with a role that, as given, essentially begged to be tried and convicted to be confirmed.


That's under the assumption that nobody else would have forced him onto trial if you hadn't made the vote. I'm quite certain Lander, myself, and Penguin were ready to force the nomination if you had not done it yourself. Tell me now, do you think you not nominating Godders would have resulted in the day ending differently? Even if you had instead chose me, do you think his mistake would have been forgiven by everyone else able to nominate?

I predict, no.
I predict, his bad claim made him perfect bus fodder.
And I stand by that your position as judge had you in the best spot to make it so.

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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 5th, 2012, 12:29 pm 
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Considering that you lot had an entire day to post after I put him up, during which time nobody posted anything at all? I'm skeptical. However, we can run in circles on that all day. But you've seen how I play as mafia. It's not like me to sacrifice my fellow goon. Sure, I may have changed my style... but I tried that last time I was mafia. It did not end well.

We've established everything I've done is, at worst, what anyone would do - not to mention some things the mafia has done that I wouldn't. To convict me, you have to believe I did something we've also established is pretty dumb for me to do - kill Penguin. You also have to completely ignore what I've mentioned about Henry. Frankly, between everything, I don't think that you can in good conscience do that.


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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 5th, 2012, 2:04 pm 
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Godders dug his own grave. When has it been required for five people to say "He's guilty" when it only requires one? You made yourself the one. The others were ready, and I stand by my belief that they were going to jump in if the need came. For better or worse, it didn't.

Killing Penguin was a crazy move by the Mafia for certain. I can't guess what the ends are, except chaos. It's certainly been made.
No matter how you slice it, though, two things ring true. "What anyone would do" is what the Mafia strive to do in a game, and of course a Mafia would want the finger pointed elsewhere.

Your case is good. But there is no damn way to slice it without arriving at two options: You're a villager who finally got his head on straight and posted some damn sense, or you're a Mafia who took the one chance to had to post something that made some damn sense to try to get yourself out of a tight one.

And as it stands, you're the only person who doesn't have a confirmed role. President, Vindicator, Guard, Gumshoe... you. I could turn away from thinking Penguin a Mafia, but I'd rather not ignore these odds. With that, it would a plea of not guilty from everyone else to make me leave you alive today.

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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 5th, 2012, 2:05 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 5th, 2012, 2:23 pm 
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... a not guilty vote from everyone

which would include who, exactly?

Oh, that's right.

THE Fuzzy Bunny MAFIA.

Do me a favor. Kill me. I want you to lose.


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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 5th, 2012, 2:41 pm 
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I'll kill you if I don't hear an overwhelming plea from the others not to.

If the Fuzzy Bunny Mafia were judge, the best chance to kill you was during your ragequit mode. Who would have been sad if you died at that point? KIND OF STUPID OF ME TO LET YOU LIVE TO TELL THE TALE OF MY UNDOING IF I WAS THE MAFIA, YOU KNOW.

Now we patiently await the others.

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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 5th, 2012, 3:30 pm 
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oh btw a deadline totally started when monk first posted but Fuzzy Bunny if I'm going to figure it out

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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 5th, 2012, 5:22 pm 
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September 06, 11:51 pm my time.
Friday at midnight, then. Or 1:00 past midnight for James, Thursday at 11:00 for Monk. I think Lander is in my timezone.

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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 5th, 2012, 8:25 pm 
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Yeah, I'm not gonna object to monk's death. If nothing else, kill him on principle for the childish tantrum.

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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 5th, 2012, 10:04 pm 
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Yeah real good reasoning there mate. I'm done with this game after the global mafia; this game should show why, and if it doesn't I'll spell it out in painful detail for you when this one's over.


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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 6th, 2012, 12:04 am 
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Ex Rex wrote:
kill him on principle for the childish tantrum.


Metagame.

To be entirely honest, Monk makes one hell of a case. And he made an effort. But really, Monk...the way you're raging on. If you've somehow gotten yourself out of trouble, will a 'not guilty' verdict really spur you to keep playing mafia?

Fuzzy Bunny happens, man. Especially in the game of mafia. If you need a break, then fine. But be an adult. Things haven't shaken out for you so well this time. The beauty of it is that it's a game.

For the record I will state that I believe Monk's claim, for better or for worse. But the guy is showing zero remorse after throwing the biggest mafia tantrum since Kaitlee played. For this, he dies. We shouldn't tolerate such behavior and it shouldn't factor into the way we play.

If Monk flips town, who's most likely to be scum? Probably Doc, but we're effed either way. Monk dies today. Rex dies in the night. I will (presumably) have to make Doc judge. Even if we deadlock the votes, the night will commence and someone will die.

Small price to pay for upholding the metagame, tbh. This game hasn't been the best, either. I'll be excited to get going on Global Mafia.

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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 6th, 2012, 12:12 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 6th, 2012, 1:14 am 
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This should still work as an ODP; nothing gamey is furthered.

Landerpurex wrote:
will a 'not guilty' verdict really spur you to keep playing mafia?


Nope.

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We shouldn't tolerate such behavior and it shouldn't factor into the way we play.


Let's punish an unreasonable action with an unreasonable response! :roll:

The ever-increasing lack of reason, both on my part and others, is why I'm done with this. It doesn't help that I've my own Fuzzy Bunny going on (really, did you think that my outburst was solely caused by mafia?) but this is something I've been mulling over for a while anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Trial 3: Sighence
PostPosted: September 6th, 2012, 12:03 pm 
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It doesn't help that I've my own Fuzzy Bunny going on (really, did you think that my outburst was solely caused by mafia?)


And that gives you a free pass out of throwing this tantrum... how? Real life Fuzzy Bunny should not affect Mafia Fuzzy Bunny. Let your Mafia rage come out in Mafia and keep the real life stuff for out of game chats. Things have a place. This was not the place to blow up on us for your real life frustrations.

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Sighence - Civilian, Lynched Trial 3

Night 3 go.

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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: Night 3
PostPosted: September 9th, 2012, 7:54 am 
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Sorry for the slow update, I was out all day.

Circumstances have made the outcome of the game at this point a sure thing, and it seems most of you are getting sick of this so no need to drag this further than it needs to be.

Ex Rex is killed in the night. He was the Detective.

This leaves us with Landerpurex, Dr Henry, and Kikori.

Lander is the president. He made Ex Rex the Judge, with Kikori as backup since when there's 4 players remaining, the President can make a repeat judge. This is stated in his role pm.

Dr Henry is the Security Guard. My foolishness while crafting this role forced him to jump in front of the bullet meant for Godders, writing it away as 'protective instinct'. Henry's anger with me is understandable and genuine. The Security Guard role is this setup's greatest failure, and I apologize profusely.

This leaves Kikori as the Mafia Hitman. Kikori did a good job this game at concealing his identity while having a guilty report on him and being under scrutiny nearly the entire time. It ultimately came down to all of you assuming I wouldn't give a Mafia an extra killing role. This is not the first time I have done this.

In the current situation, with Kikori as judge, the best-case scenario is deadlocked votes. But even in that case, Kikori would just nightkill one of the two, leaving him the winner regardless.

This was an extremely experimental setup, an attempt to see if I could mess with the very way Mafia is played. And it worked, at first. Just look at the first Trial phase between Kikori, Penguin, Scar and Rex.

What I didn't anticipate was the SAME people being involved in the trial time and time again. This leads to the game becoming boring for those who aren't getting involved.

Ultimately, I should have brought someone in on the project to help me work out the kinks before hosting it. But I had already put it off so long that I just wanted to run it and see what happened.

Sorry. I hope SOME of you enjoyed it at least.

Oh, and Scar was totally right. The 'Defense Attorney' WAS a Doctor. It was a play on words.

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1. PenguinGuy - President
2. Sighence - Civilian
3. Kikori – Mafia Hitman
4. Godders – Mafia Framer
5. Scar - Prosecutor
6. Ex Rex - Detective
7. Aragorn Ix – Defence Attorney
8. Dr Henry – Security Guard
9. Landerpurex – Civilian (end role: President)

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You are a Civilian. You are aligned with the town. You believe the mafia have had free reign in the town for far too long, and it is in part due to your actions that the justice system has finally gotten involved. You must try to identify the mafia and nominate them to be put on trial, so that justice may be served. You win when all the mafia have been eliminated.

You are the President. You are aligned with the town. With the untimely death of the Honourable Judge Topsummoner, it has become your task to assign a new and competent Judge to take down the mafia once and for all. During the night phase, you must choose a Judge and a Backup Judge for the next Trial phase. You may not choose yourself. You may not choose a player who was the Judge in the previous Trial, unless there are only 4 players left alive. You win when all the mafia have been eliminated.

You are an ace Detective. You are aligned with the town. You are determined to find the evidence to prove the mafia's guilt. During the night phase, you can investigate a player. The results of your investigation will be sent back to Headquarters for processing, and then be forwarded to a trustworthy ally in the legal field. It's unfortunate that you won't know the results of your own investigations, but you're not well suited to all that legal jazz anyways. You're a detective, not a prosecutor. You win when all the mafia have been eliminated.

You are a Prosecutor. You are aligned with the town. You have hired an ace detective from the Town Police to gather evidence for you. You will receive the results of his investigations at the end of each night, though you are unsure of his identity. You win when all the mafia have been eliminated.

You are a Defence Attorney. You are aligned with the town. Though your title would suggest you are an ace lawyer, this is misleading. You are simply an aspiring self-proclaimed attorney highly skilled in self-defence. To prove your skills the mafia, you prowl the streets attempting to end their reign of blood. During the night phase you can visit a player and protect them from attack. You are so committed to your duty that you refuse outright to stay home and protect yourself, though. There are innocents being hurt. You win when all the mafia have been eliminated.

You are a Security Guard. You are aligned with the town. You are committed to making the mafia tries no funny business at the trials, and wear a bulletproof vest to that end. It can only take one blow, however, and will not protect you from lynches. Your sense of duty is so strong that you'd be willing to jump in front of a bullet for an innocent. You win when all the mafia are eliminated.

You are a Hitman. You are aligned with the mafia. You are furious at the sudden action of the legal system, and have slain the Judge Topsummoner. You hope that will keep the fools down, but they are stubborn. To that end, you pack a pistol to any Trial you bear witness to. Once, during the Trial phase, you may shoot any active Plaintiff, Defendant, Lawyer, or Judge, killing them and ending the phase immediately. (This is done by PMing me who you want to shoot) You will be revealed as the shooter however. If you're the Defendant, you can't risk bringing your pistol into the trial and will therefore not be able to shoot. Your partner is PLAYER. Either of you must send in a nightkill each night. You win if the number of mafia is equal to or greater than the number of other players.

You are a Framer. You are aligned with the mafia. Together with your partner PLAYER, you wish to bring this town under your full control once and for all. You suspect a detective is on the prowl for any evidence of your misdoings. Maybe by planting the right stuff in the right place you can mislead the court. At night, you can frame a player, making them appear mafia to investigations. Each night, either of you must send in a nightkill. You win if the number of mafia is equal to or greater than the number of other players.

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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: GAME OVER.... sorry.
PostPosted: September 9th, 2012, 9:09 am 
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Not happy with how overly aggressive Monk was being towards me during that last phase. As you can see, I was screwed over by Top there (PM states I will jump in front of a bullet to protect an innocent... which Godders wasn't).

Giving Kikori a day-vig one-shot power, in such a small game, really didn't seem like it could be mafia in any way whatsoever.

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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: GAME OVER.... sorry.
PostPosted: September 9th, 2012, 9:33 am 
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I had fun, I think this variant has potential and wouldn't mind playing it again after some bug fixing Top.

I was honestly flabbergasted that Kikori wasn't killed when we got a guilty on him.

And I was killed in one of the coolest ways ever in my opinion:


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You receive a message from Police Headquarters.

Something is scribbled out, and underneath written in different handwriting:

"Look up."

You look up to see a gun pointed in your face. At the other end of it is Godders. He speaks, with a sly grin, "Godders is guilty".

BANG!

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 Post subject: Re: Courtroom Mafia: GAME OVER.... sorry.
PostPosted: September 9th, 2012, 9:38 am 
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Investigated Kikori N0, then Godders N1.

Well, Fuzzy Bunny.

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