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 Post subject: Iraq War "Ends"
PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 12:33 am 
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(BAGHDAD) — After nearly nine years, 4,500 American dead, 32,000 wounded and more than $800 billion, U.S. officials formally shut down the war in Iraq — a conflict that U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said was worth the price in blood and money, as it set Iraq on a path to democracy.

Panetta stepped off his military plane in Baghdad Thursday as the leader of America's war in Iraq, but will leave as one of many top U.S. and global officials who hope to work with the struggling nation as it tries to find its new place in the Middle East and the broader world.

He and several other U.S. diplomatic, military and defense leaders participated in a highly symbolic ceremony during which the flag of U.S. Forces-Iraq was officially retired, or "cased," according to Army tradition.

The U.S. Forces-Iraq flag was furled — or wrapped — around a flagpole and covered in camouflage. It will be brought back to the United States.
(PHOTOS: Iraq Troops Return Home in Time for the Holidays)

"You will leave with great pride — lasting pride," Panetta told the troops. "Secure in knowing that your sacrifice has helped the Iraqi people to cast tyranny aside and to offer hope for prosperity and peace to this country's future generations."

During several stops in Afghanistan this week, Panetta made it clear that the U.S. can be proud of its accomplishments in Iraq.

"We spilled a lot of blood there," Panetta said. "But all of that has not been in vain. It's been to achieve a mission making that country sovereign and independent and able to govern and secure itself."
(PHOTOS: Iraq Sees a Revival)

That, he said, is "a tribute to everybody — everybody who fought in that war, everybody who spilled blood in that war, everybody who was dedicated to making sure we could achieve that mission."

Panetta echoed President Barack Obama's promise that the U.S. plans to keep a robust diplomatic presence in Iraq, foster a deep and lasting relationship with the nation and maintain a strong military force in the region.

As of Thursday, there were two U.S. bases and about 4,000 U.S. troops in Iraq — a dramatic drop from the roughly 500 military installations and as many as 170,000 troops during the surge ordered by President George W. Bush in 2007, when violence and raging sectarianism gripped the country. All U.S. troops are slated to be out of Iraq by the end of the year, but officials are likely to meet that goal a bit before then.
(PHOTOS: A TIME Photographer's Iraq Diary)

The total U.S. departure is a bit earlier than initially planned, and military leaders worry that it is a bit premature for the still maturing Iraqi security forces, who face continuing struggles to develop the logistics, air operations, surveillance and intelligence sharing capabilities they will need in what has long been a difficult neighborhood.

U.S. officials were unable to reach an agreement with the Iraqis on legal issues and troop immunity that would have allowed a small training and counterterrorism force to remain. U.S. defense officials said they expect there will be no movement on that issue until sometime next year.

Still, despite Obama's earlier contention that all American troops would be home for Christmas, at least 4,000 forces will remain in Kuwait for some months. The troops will be able to help finalize the move out of Iraq, but could also be used as a quick reaction force if needed.
(PHOTOS: Iraq's Fragile Progress)

Obama met in Washington with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki earlier this week, vowing to remain committed to Iraq as the two countries struggle to define their new relationship. Ending the war was an early goal of the Obama administration, and Thursday's ceremony will allow the president to fulfill a crucial campaign promise during a politically opportune time. The 2012 presidential race is roiling and Republicans are in a ferocious battle to determine who will face off against Obama in the election.

Panetta acknowledged the difficulties for Iraq in the coming years, as the country tries to find its footing.

"They're going face challenges in the future," Panetta said Wednesday during a visit with troops in Afghanistan. "They'll face challenges from terrorism, they'll face challenges from those that would want to divide their country. They'll face challenges from just the test of democracy, a new democracy and trying to make it work. But the fact is, we have given them the opportunity to be able to succeed."

The ceremony at Baghdad International Airport also featured remarks from Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gen. Lloyd Austin, the top U.S. commander in Iraq.
(PHOTOS: Iraq Going Forward)

Austin is leading the massive logistical challenge of shuttering hundreds of bases and combat outposts, and methodically moving more than 50,000 U.S. troops and their equipment out of Iraq over the last year — while still conducting training, security assistance and counterterrorism battles.

Over the coming days, the final few thousand U.S. troops will leave Iraq in orderly caravans and tightly scheduled flights — a marked contrast to the shock and awe that rocked the country on March 20, 2003, as the U.S. invasion began.

Saddam Hussein has been ousted, the reports of weapons of mass destruction largely laid to rest. And the future of a nascent democracy awaits.



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 Post subject: Re: Iraq War Ends
PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 1:42 am 
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The war didn't end; the troops just left.

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 Post subject: Re: Iraq War Ends
PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 2:00 am 
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The war didn't end; the troops just left.


Sad but true.

A step in the right direction, at least.

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PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 6:37 am 
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From memory, the troops are being withdrawn because Obama failed to negotiate a deal with the Iraqi President, who basically told him to get the troops out. This is only a win if you're supporting a weak presidency and flawed foreign policy.

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PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 1:23 pm 
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Well, you can't be a news agency in the US and expect good ratings if you go telling the news LIKE THAT, sir. ;D

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PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 3:20 pm 
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Well, you can't be a news agency in the US and expect good ratings if you go telling the news LIKE THAT, sir. ;D


Would Fox News publish like that to embarass Obama, or not to save face for America?

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PostPosted: December 16th, 2011, 4:36 pm 
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Boo, Pannet spewed the same political bullcrap we've been hearing all along. I couldn't get a third of the way through the article.

The war isn't over because you say it's over.

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 Post subject: Re: Iraq War "Ends"
PostPosted: December 17th, 2011, 12:48 am 
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Changed the title to something more "reasonable".

Well a war would be a war if there were troops fighting. Anything less would be considered political bickering. Obviously this isn't true, but it's what I believe and I'm sticking to it.

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PostPosted: December 17th, 2011, 2:34 am 
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Wait... wasn't the war a 'war on terror'? >.> Such a broad war declaration. :P

I don't believe such a war could ever actually be won/over/finished/complete/etcetcetc. xD

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PostPosted: December 17th, 2011, 1:11 pm 
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PostPosted: December 17th, 2011, 2:44 pm 
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We'll be back in there in 15 years.

In the name of freedom and democracy and this is what the founding fathers would want.

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You give it 15?

Let's get through the elections first.

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There are three ways to bring misfortune to an army
-Appoint or dismiss senior officers when they are unqualified or necessary
-force your army to advance or withdraw when they should not
-try to manage the army the way you manage a kingdom

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I think this administration has now done all three.

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The war didn't end; the troops just left.


Sad but true.

A step in the right direction, at least.


^ agreed.

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