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Really? an 11 minute video? You couldn't just type out the 10 questions?

Also, by this guys definition of a "educated christian" almost no one on runevillage is going to qualify. Because the majority of people on this website are 18 or under.

This isn't a debate, it's trolling.

For simplicity's sake I'll do you a favor though.

1. Why won't God heal amputees?
2. Why are there so many starving people in our world?
3. Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible? (quotes a few bible verses).
4. Why does the Bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense?
5. Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery in the Bible?
6. Why do bad things happen to good people?
7. Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles in the Bible leave behind any evidence?
8. How do we explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you?
9. Why would Jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood?
10. Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians?

It's a huge troll fest.

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"Civil disobedience is still disobience."

Is this a joke?

*squints eyes* are you trollin'?

If the answers those questions is no, I'll respond further.

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You sir are the Troll. You've added no contribution to this topic other than your stupid comment.


In fact you couldn't possibly have watched the entire video before spouting your jargon.


*edit* Yes this is a serious topic, I'm not trolling I assure you.

You're right, I didn't watch an 11 minute video of some moron blathering, I read the transcript instead, which can be found here: http://godisimaginary.com/video10.htm



2, 6, 10 are all due to free will.

4 - Religion is faith-based, not science based.

Here's the question though, if you aren't trolling and you don't believe in God, why are you asking someone else to prove to you that God exists?

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"Civil disobedience is still disobience."

Faith is just a cheap excuse for ignorance, which 2 thousand years ago would have been fine when we didn't understand lighting, or other natural phenomena.

If you don't believe in God, that's fine. Neither do I.

Actively seeking out a christian and asking them to prove their faith to you (when you know God's existence cannot be proven/dis-proven) and insult them as ignorant it can be called nothing but trolling.

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"Civil disobedience is still disobience."

You've not really added anything to this topic other than repeating the word "troll" in every response.

I myself am not Atheist, I believe in a high power... I just do not feel any religion will ever be correct.


Christians are the ignorant ones my friend... more people have been killed in the name of the Christian god than any other god in history.

I agree with Suicide. Religion just isn't something that can really be objectively argued for or against. Seeing as how it's based on belief, it's kind of arrogant and asinine to even bother to harass Christians. Leave them alone, religion makes them better people (at least it's supposed to), no harm; no foul. As far as that guy's claim that we should care at the end, I don't know if I've ever heard anything more offensive. Delusional? They're still functioning members of society, they don't belong in a hospital room with padded walls and a locked door, who cares what they believe spiritually?

As far as the video goes, I'm not sure if I've ever seen anything more bias or arrogant. Those are just dressed up versions of questions that smartass atheists badger Christians with. The video was nothing short of nonsense, the tone was awful; it was probably the least objective or persuasive case against God and Christianity I've ever seen in my life. It almost makes me want to become and avid churchgoer.

EDIT: Ninja'ed by you two...and again, suicide pretty much summed up my entire post with this sentence:


So tell me, Starbuck; do you have a reason any less ludicrous than the narrator as to why people shouldn't believe in God? Or, more importantly, why are your beliefs in a "higher power" right, and Christians' wrong?

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You're using circular logic to attack a certain faith then.

Almost all religions have had someone killed in the name of good of that religion at some point.

Ask yourself the same questions of whatever higher power you believe in. I'm curious as to which faith you belong.




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"Civil disobedience is still disobience."

It's a string of fallacies,
which is typical atheist/counter-religion 101

"Every intelligent christian"
thus, if you do not answer, you sir are stupid.
then it asks the list of questions.

If you refuse to answer AHA you're lying and a fool!
If you can't answer one! that means your religion must be a lie!
Don't you feel bad for those people with this appeal to emotion?
Well this happened then, that's bad eh?

so...

1,2,3 appeal to emotion
4,5 poisoning the well
6. Appeal to Emotion
7. Strawman
8. He died 2000 years ago (Demanding negative proof fallacy)
9. metaphor (Equivocation fallacy)
10. people can be jerks, kids get married when they shouldn't (correlation causation also hasty generalization)

The idea is to try and degrade the argument on the religious side by portraying them
as ignorant sunworship tribe folk who can't see facts and science plain as day.
And then thus by not providing a counterclaim, they simply have to destroy the
argument of the opposing side and make themselves look good.

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Znath has covered the main topic at hand, I just have an issue with this statement.

The greatest massacres of human history were not done in the name of Christianity, with some being athiests. Do some reading on Khmer Rogue, the Holocaust, the Holomodor and Mao's cultural revolution.

If you then want to talk about issues like the Crusades, I can point to the barbarian warlords of the time who did just as much damage, if not more. Genghis Khan slaughtered millions, Atilla the Hun sacked Rome, Timur the Lame enslaved and butchered his way from Asia to the Middle East. Barbarism and death are not limited to Christianity, and they are barely a blip on the radar when it comes to the overall death toll through human history.

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None of those massacres were perpetrated in the name of Atheism, I suppose because Stalin and Hitler had moustaches that must make all people with moustaches genocidal maniacs? Oh and by the way Hitler was Roman Catholic.

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Massacres being comitted by athiests is not equal to doing it in the name of Athiesm.
Massacres being comitted by catholics is not equal to doing it in the name of Christianity.

My overall point was that genocide is not limited to one particular group, and drew on non-Christians to highlight this.

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But the crusades were a holy war on islam...so that was in the name of christianity.

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That isn't why the Crusades started, but it certainly was how it finished up. I posted a plethora of examples from other non-Christian butchers at the time to counter the Crusaders. Genghis Khan for example, regularly depopulated cities and made mountains out of their skulls. The ancient/medieval world was a brutal place.

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As an 18 year old educated (though not yet college-educated) non-Christian, I will attempt to answer these questions in a manner which may emulate how educated Christians might answer.

1. Why won't God heal amputees?

God does not heal amputees because he chooses not to interfere in the struggles of his people.

2. Why are there so many starving people in our world?

See my answer to question 1.

3. Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible? (quotes a few bible verses).

Perhaps because he does not view these people as being innodent, and views their sacrafice as somehow being beneficial to securing his support among his followers.

4. Why does the Bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense?

The people who originally wrote the Bible were obviously not taught modern scientific principles, and as a result may have viewed what we view to be non-scientific in modern times as being sound reasoning in ancient times.

5. Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery in the Bible?

Slaves allow society to achieve great things, and perhaps God felt that some people would be best able to contribute to society by being slaves.

6. Why do bad things happen to good people?

See my answer to question 1.

7. Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles in the Bible leave behind any evidence?

What evidence could there possibly be? In reference to the Old Testament, scientists have determined that it may have been possible for the Red Sea to part in such a fashion as to allow the Israelites to cross.

8. How do we explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you?

Jesus has been dead since 33 A.D. and has yet to return to Earth.

9. Why would Jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood?

So you can turn into an awesome Jesus-prawn hybrid.

10. Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians?

Because Henry VIII made getting divorces acceptable for many Christians. I would, however, like to see the difference in divorce rates between Catholics and non-Catholics.

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Regarding the crusades:

The middle east had tons of money, tons of trade and ample riches abound.

Europe was poor, but had really awesome weapons and well trained fighters.

Religion wasn't the root cause, just a better excuse.

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1. Why won't God heal amputees?

Because he isn't there

2. Why are there so many starving people in our world?

Because of human greed

3. Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible? (quotes a few bible verses).

Because in the Bible God is a jerk. Has a bunch of children mauled for calling his prophet bald? Those verses are to scare children into obedience.22

4. Why does the Bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense?

Because it was created before all of these scientific advances. We all know the clouds aren't the dust from God's feet now.

5. Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery in the Bible?

I don't remember God being anything but against slaves. Guess I missed that part.

6. Why do bad things happen to good people?

Because good people wait for some divine being to help them instead of taking care of themselves.

7. Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles in the Bible leave behind any evidence?

I don't remember Jesus doing anything that would leave evidence.

8. How do we explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you?

Because he's dead. Even if a second coming was possible let's think about how the world would react. He'd be put into an asylum posthaste.

9. Why would Jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood?

Maybe he tastes good? I always found it odd that people would look down on other religions for drinking something that symbolized blood but then participate in that.

10. Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians?

Because no one honestly reads the Bible anymore and has had it put into their head that it's acceptable in God's eyes.


Personally I think that if there is some divine being then we have been abandoned by it and know nothing about it. I'm not about to follow the teachings of some book that went through England's history or the dictators of the middle east.

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