Where did all the matter come from?

Snake1235 · **Posted:** July 20th, 2008, 8:40 am

Matter cannot be created nor destroyed, correct? Yes, it is true, but where did the matter that is here come from? Religious beliefs put aside, what happened at the beginning of everything that was, is, and will be? Some action had to have occurred, even if a superior being did it.

This goes farther than the Big Bang, because that explains how our current universe came to be. There was matter before that, and there were other universes before ours. Where did all the matter come from? How did everything come to be?

Tweedy · **Posted:** July 20th, 2008, 8:44 am

If a superior being created the matter, what created the superior being?

Generally, I don't worry about this kind of thing. I just end up hurting my head. So I'll cop out and say it just is.

Snake1235 · **Posted:** July 20th, 2008, 8:53 am

Yes I know, Tweedy, but this isn't about the superior being; this is about the matter.

Arthenon · **Posted:** July 20th, 2008, 11:29 am

I think the current idea is that a previous universe collapsed into a singe molecule and then exploded with a huge force, creating this one. It's so far back that I don't really have much concern for it, though.

Snake1235 · **Posted:** July 20th, 2008, 6:30 pm

I'm talking about before this universe, though. What happened in the VERY beginning?

Kivikas · **Posted:** July 21st, 2008, 2:36 am

Snake1235 wrote:

Matter cannot be created nor destroyed, correct? Yes, it is true

No.
Matter can be transformed into energy and energy can be transformed into matter. Energy and matter are the same things technically.
The total sum of energy of the Universe may be zero.

Jackstick · **Posted:** July 21st, 2008, 3:33 am

Snake1235 wrote:

I'm talking about before this universe, though. What happened in the VERY beginning?

First there was nothing, then there was a spontaneous explosion. Perhaps it was that explosion that created matter, or allowed matter to exist. Right now, matter cannot be created or destroyed, but who knows how that worked before the big bang?

peter · **Posted:** July 24th, 2008, 10:17 am

makes God seem kind of Logical Doesnt it

or at least no less Logical then A spontaneous combustion of nothing. Honestly.. how Can Matter\Energy have always been.. and say its impossible that God has always been

Blackmage172 · **Posted:** July 24th, 2008, 10:32 am

Interestingly, the Catholic Church supports the Big Bang theory because it goes in line with the Creation out of nothing...

As for wear it came from? *shrugs* There are theories that there was a tenth dimensional universe before us and that the universe became unstable and split into our ever-growing fourth dimensional universe that kept growing and a sixth dimensional universe that shrunk to an unimaginable size... But then again, where did the tenth-dimensional universe come from?

Michio Kaku (a really famous physicist) wrote a whole book on it. I can't remember most of it cuz the physics blew my mind, but it was a good read. I think it was called "Hyperspace."

Matt · **Posted:** September 10th, 2008, 7:44 am

This is an impossible question. There can never be a reasonable explanation. And that's a good thing

-Matt

Burks · **Posted:** September 10th, 2008, 10:40 am

Oooooo I like these kinds of discussions!

Personally, I think that we are the product of a black hole from another universe. That's right, multiple universes. The blackhole had sucked in so much matter, energy, etc that it became so heavy it ripped through the "other" universe. The resulting mass then exploded, The Big Bang, thus creating our universe. It's far more complicated than that but that's just a simple way of saying it.

After all, we have no idea what happens to anything taken in back black holes. So.....yeah. My professor gave me a A+ on the report though (Star Trek geek).

Kikori · **Posted:** September 10th, 2008, 1:03 pm

This can't be debated fairly. It will turn into a religion vs science debate, and both will ask the same question.

Atheist: "Where'd your God come from? Who gave birth to him?"
Religious Person: "The [insert document here] deosn't say, but where'd your big bang come from? Matter has to start somewhere, right?"

That's literally the end of the topic. It can't be traced, if it's anything like Burks said and we're spawn of another universe then we'll have to either find out from them or live in confusion forever.

... One thing gets me about black holes. What are they, really? A rip in the universe, even if just tiny, that sucks almost everything in until it's super-compressed enough to explode? If that's the case, there was matter before us and the question goes on forever.

Matt · **Posted:** September 10th, 2008, 1:48 pm

That is an interesting proposal, that we're actually the creation of a bigger LHC-like machine on another planet. I suggested it long before I knew we had such a machine on earth, funnily enough. But obviously that universe would have had to come from somewhere. There will never be anything that can prove this, because any evidence has to have come from somewhere. You can either look at it like a ring, or you can just do what I do and not be concerned with stuff like this.

-Matt

Burks · **Posted:** September 10th, 2008, 5:51 pm

kikori kid wrote:

... One thing gets me about black holes. What are they, really? A rip in the universe, even if just tiny, that sucks almost everything in until it's super-compressed enough to explode? If that's the case, there was matter before us and the question goes on forever.

That's the flaw in the idea. If it is true, then where did ALL matter, no matter how many universes, come from?

I think my class discussed this topic for almost a week and a half before we had to move on. It was a great discussion though.

Flying Sno · **Posted:** September 11th, 2008, 12:14 pm

I think its best put like Pi it has to end but it never ends

Something had to start at some point but technically it could have always been. I dono tbh its a unanswerable question, which makes it kinda cool, but at the same time totally pointless.

Honestly in response to somone who earlier said God almost makes more sense now...No mate, God will make alot more sense once someone actually has some evidence of his existance.

Burks · **Posted:** September 11th, 2008, 7:45 pm

Flying Sno wrote:

Honestly in response to somone who earlier said God almost makes more sense now...No mate, God will make alot more sense once someone actually has some evidence of his existance.

But to counter that, provide evidence God does not exist.

Judge · **Posted:** September 11th, 2008, 7:57 pm

But then, what created God?

On-topic: Why does there need to be a beginning? Why are you so in need of a beginning and an end? Why can't you just not say... exist, and be.

Kivikas · **Posted:** September 15th, 2008, 12:15 am

The reason why it cannot be debated here is that nobody here has the level of education and knowledge about quantum physics and other such things to even vaguely understand the beginning of an universe and the events that may have preceded it.
Slaif is practically the only one here who can give some overview about these things. But where is he? Haven't seen him for ages.

Burks · **Posted:** September 15th, 2008, 10:41 am

Kivikas wrote:

Slaif is practically the only one here who can give some overview about these things. But where is he? Haven't seen him for ages.

Just Google the information and look there.

You know, you are allowed to research debate topics outside of RV right?

Of course we don't understand it, the scientist don't even understand it!

Flying Sno · **Posted:** September 15th, 2008, 11:42 am

Kivikas wrote:

...

You are way off. This comes way before Physics etc.
Quantum physics can't explain how the very first "thing" ever came to exist.
The point is that for anything to happen, there had to be something there for it to happen to, so You essentially keep asking what made that happen, or what was there before that to make that happen.

Burks wrote:

Flying Sno wrote:

Honestly in response to somone who earlier said God almost makes more sense now...No mate, God will make alot more sense once someone actually has some evidence of his existance.

But to counter that, provide evidence God does not exist.

That's like asking me to prove that real Pokemon don't exist.
prOOf pokmenz DeNT be reelz OMMMMGGGG!!!@!!@!!

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