With all this Ron Paul talk...

Landerpurex · **Posted:** February 17th, 2012, 12:21 pm

Indeed they have. A person can grow a lot in two years. I'm somewhat ashamed of that argument, the only valid thing left of it is that the university has a right to include whatever they want in their curriculum. *shrugs*

It's kind of pitiful that you'd revisit old topics created by me to tear down *that* argument and/or compare it to my current one...

Tahu 1000 · **Posted:** February 17th, 2012, 5:20 pm

Honestly, the "what should I care?" view has its merits, but we have to accept we live in a society where the populace either doesn't have the willpower or the means to always make proper, educated decisions, and it's a respected occupation to defend big corporations from the people they've wronged with misleading advertising. Also, as far as "victimless" crimes go, remember that us humans are highly social creatures. The death of one impacts all the social networks they belonged to. Just going to end with a famous quote from For Whom the Bell Tolls:

Ernest Hemingway wrote:

No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.

Suicide Messiah · **Posted:** February 17th, 2012, 5:46 pm

Landerpurex wrote:

Indeed they have. A person can grow a lot in two years. I'm somewhat ashamed of that argument, the only valid thing left of it is that the university has a right to include whatever they want in their curriculum. *shrugs*

It's kind of pitiful that you'd revisit old topics created by me to tear down *that* argument and/or compare it to my current one...

I never made any correlation between the two topics other than that of your ideology and how much it has changed. I didn't post anything at all in the necro'd thread, nor did I make some correlation of your previous argument to this one. All I stated was that your ideology has changed vastly, and you agreed.

You have contributed nothing to this debate other than the argument of "Personal choice" and failed to make a counter argument to any valid point presented to you by claiming it a fallacy. Your stand, (if you can call it that) is baseless. You present no facts to counter what has been presented to refute your "standing" on the matter. That is what is truly pitiful.

Spirographed · **Posted:** March 6th, 2012, 4:17 pm

Just because you personally believe there are no benefits to drug use, does not mean that others do. It still comes back to personal choice and beliefs...even if you don't want it to.

For example:
When MDMA was made illegal, there were quite a few psychiatrists that were pissed. Testing was stopped, and it was scheduled because it was getting to recreational users. Again: Testing was stopped....on a drug that could potentially be beneficial to therapy.

Drug use can be entertainment, an escape, a tool for finding identity, etc....etc....etc....

You and me have no say in what someone else thinks benefits them.

Also: Your gun example is ridiculous. We are using definate percentages now? OK...Shooting a bullet from a gun is going to affect something that isn't you 100% of the time. Ingesting a drug is going to affect only the user 100% of the time. These "what if" arguments are getting old.....

Tweedy · **Posted:** March 10th, 2012, 9:29 am

Tahu 1000 wrote:

Honestly, the "what should I care?" view has its merits, but we have to accept we live in a society where the populace either doesn't have the willpower or the means to always make proper, educated decisions, and it's a respected occupation to defend big corporations from the people they've wronged with misleading advertising. Also, as far as "victimless" crimes go, remember that us humans are highly social creatures. The death of one impacts all the social networks they belonged to. Just going to end with a famous quote from For Whom the Bell Tolls:

Ernest Hemingway wrote:

No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.

Unfortunately for you, what's done cannot now be undone. ^_^

Tahu 1000 · **Posted:** March 13th, 2012, 6:52 pm

No, but just because something happened before doesn't mean we have to let it continue happening. We can't undo what's been done, but we can keep it from being redone.

Tweedy · **Posted:** March 17th, 2012, 7:36 am

Sorry, looks like you thought I was saying something when I wasn't. The quote you posted was originally from John Donne so I couldn't resist a pun.

Kainth · **Posted:** June 3rd, 2012, 8:49 am

defeat wrote:

People are trying potentially and most likely extremely harmful newer legal designer drugs every day. The synthetic cannabinoids (spice, K2, etc.) and the upper labeled "bath salts" are a major issue in the country right now. I personally think people are idiots for trying those drugs even one time, and have read of addiction to them and withdrawal from them. Through a legal loophole these unresearched drugs are being sold in gas stations everywhere.

This.

Most of these new research chemicals and designer drugs are dangerous, there has been MANY reported cases of people getting severe cluster headaches from using the synthetic cannabinoids, or people overheating and dying, dehydrating and dying, getting psychosis and going loony from the other ones

Most drugs are safe if used properly, the problem is many people don't use them properly.
The public needs to be properly educated on the effects of drugs, so they can make their own educated choices.

If more drugs were produced in labs funded by the government and not in someones washroom they wouldn't have so many contaminants that cause harm in them.

Ecstasy has been all over the news the past while due to deaths and all that from it. There was once a time where ecstasy meant MDMA, which is safe if used properly. Nowadays almost all ecstasy found in North America has little to no MDMA in it. Why? MDMA is illegal, harder to obtain, and more expensive than the new legal 'alternatives'. Most ecstasy pills now contain BZP, PMMA, Methylone, Mephedrone, or other research chemicals that haven't been studied that could cause severe harm to the body.

These new drugs are much more dangerous than the ones that have been around forever, and newer ones are being made all the time as older ones become scheduled. Why are they more dangerous? Because they haven't been researched and we have no idea of the effects they have on our bodies.

MDMA has a lot of therapeutic value and any body that doesn't believe that is lying to themselves.
LSD & Psilocybin Mushrooms have been used in therapy as well, and are also some of the only known things that can cure cluster headaches.

Legalize/Decriminalize and Educate!

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