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 Post subject: Where do we go now, where do we go now?
PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 1:38 am 
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Hello everyone.

I'm writing to you all to discuss a few things with you.

First of all, I would like to thank everyone for their efforts in maintaining RV over the past 6-9 months. It hasn't been easy for anyone, and you're all doing a great job at trying to keep things going.

Second, I'd like to try and reverse, at least in part, this worrying trend, towards a decrease in membership. The focus I would like to take in this regards is via RuneScape. Basically I've got a few ideas that, when implemented, will result in an increase in activity on the RS side of things for Runevillage, and which should hopefully have somewhat of a flow on effect for the forums themselves.

1. I want people in the Runevillage clan to begin actively recruiting. Every single member of the clan is able to invite members to the clan, and I would like to see an increase of at least one member a week. That's right - One member. Not at all difficult, especially if we have numerous people who are on the lookout for members. It can be friends, randoms, or whatever. Whomever you like. I want to see the Clan Chat packed out like it was in the good old days. Recruiting members is dead simple once they agree - See below for a step by step guide on how to do it.

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2. Clan Citadel. I really want to get this off the ground - It's a sign in many ways of how engaged people are with the Clan, and how much pride they hold in it. The fact its been dilapidated for maybe 9 months should tell you a lot about how successful we've been in keeping up clan pride. For everyone who has P2P - I beg of you to please start gathering resources each week. Is it the best use of your time versus gaining XP? No. It's not. However, by doing so we are able to work together and develop bonds through a communal forum. I'd really like to see this because it basically means that as we get into the habit, we A) make the clan look better and B) engage members and keep them willing to come back.

3. Regular in-game events. This is separate too, but similar to what the RVET used to do in-game. Obviously it's not necessarily possible for the RVET team to continually pump out events for people to engage with - Lander for example is very keen on this, but doesn't have the time required to facilitate the continual creation of events. Ideally I'd like to host a range of bossing/dungeoneering activities - Basically allow people to utilize people who are quite high level for their own gain - Particularly relevant for Dungeoneering.

4. Tied in with the first point, I really want to change the attitude in the Clan Chat in regards to helping. Basically the whole "Check RS-Wiki" thing is not something really tenable in the current environment. This is something that I myself am guilty of, and it's an attitude that really needs to change if we want to develop a strong member base - If we are consistently able to help new members, they're more likely to stay and be good members.

I think that an implementation of this 4 step plan is a good way to start re-building RV - The most important thing to gain activity is to be active. A good mix of recruitment drives and fun activities is the key, I believe, to getting RV back to a semblance of activity. After all - Think of why you joined in the first place. You came here after someone helped you, after an event, for more information, from your friends - All of this is now starting to die off, and that is responsible for the declining membership base. I'd like to reverse this.

Post your thoughts and any ideas you have for starting to re-build our wonderful village.

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 Post subject: Re: Where do we go now, where do we go now?
PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 1:56 am 
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110% support for this.
myself and a group of the guys were actually discussing reviving the weekly bandos trip we used to do
so that would tie in perfectly with all of this. especially if meaning we would have a kick arse clan avatar to help out lol

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PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 4:15 am 
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This thread should go alongside this one in relation to the the future of RV. RuneVillage Clan Chat has become detached from our actual forums in my opinion. The majority of the active users in the CC are non-forum browsers now. RuneVillage (unfortunately), stems bad words from the community that have been around for a few years and are part of rival fansites..
I think first and foremost, the future of the Forum and Site need to be decided, and in particular the Name Change. As such - the name change needs to happen on RS too, in my opinion.

That being said, I will recruit if I can find anyone.

Weekly Events - should be easy to manage, or even orchestrate. How hard is it to organise a Mini-game event or Boss Hunt? Its not. You just need a time and place. So this should be easy, and if any help is required in making fortnightly events - Ill host them if need be.

With regard to helping others in CC, whenever I have been online, loads of people answer my questions directly.. Its not hard however to: Open Tab > Google Search > RSWIKI.. RSWiki is comprehensive and accurate. Whereas people in the CC can get things wrong, or dont explain in full accurate detail.

Malk supports anyway 8)

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PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 5:51 am 
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PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 8:04 am 
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This holds true for all multiplayer online games where clan-like interactions are available. We can't only focus on rs because of our black status, but its certainly a step in the right direction to get people to join.

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PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 11:37 am 
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Obviously I support this, and will do my best to help out in any way I can. I have been playing a little more 'scape lately, so hopefully I can be of assistance. I certainly plan on helping out with the citadel every week.

And that's the thing. If you're pressed for time like I am, it doesn't take much effort to accumulate your weekly 1000 resources in game. Keep in mind that there IS tangible reward for doing this. You can get a clan ring that boosts your exp by 50% for a time when you've gathered enough resources in the citadel. I didn't know this before yesterday.

At any rate, I have to disagree with point number four. I'm far from maxed out in levels, so I don't know as much about rs as cam or jimmy. Whenever I have a question, it gets answered in the chat. Sure, RSwiki is a great resource, but the clan chat should be a better one. One shouldn't have to open another window or tab to get a simple question answered when we have the answer within the CC.

And lastly, as much as I'd like to do boss runs, dungeoneering, and/or minigames through the RVET, part of our mission is to offer different types of events so that over the course of time, there's something for everyone. We can't do p2p rs events every month, just as we can't do rs events every month.

It's been said, it's easy to organize a boss run or dungeoneering party. There was a time when every time I logged on there was a group of RVers in GWD.

And very very lastly...we've been shunned by Jagex. How does this affect our success as a clan? I was beginning to wonder whether we should separate RV the site and RV the clan. As Malkin said, those who frequent the CC are not the same people who are active on the forums. Just something to think about.

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PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 12:49 pm 
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I miss the old RV and the events we used to hold, and I completely agree with this. Everytime I get on nowadays there very few people in the chat and sometimes I'm alone even!
As soon as I saw this post I started talking to people and I think I have found a few people who might actually join :D
I know I'm not the most consistent Runevillager, but I still want to see this place successful and I'll do anything I can in order to help :D

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PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 2:36 pm 
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twobit88 wrote:
110% support for this.
myself and a group of the guys were actually discussing reviving the weekly bandos trip we used to do
so that would tie in perfectly with all of this. especially if meaning we would have a kick arse clan avatar to help out lol

Eh, the avatars aren't all that useful tbh. Jagex dropped the ball and should've made mini-summonable ones to go with our familiars. That aside, if people are willing to maintain the upkeep for the citadels, I'll be down to help as long as it doesn't turn out like the first time. RS-wise, I still think a lot of RVers are still active but as Malkin said, there are some that don't even browse the forums anymore.

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PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 3:08 pm 
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Just one point to pick up on - I still haven't had my morning coffee or breakfast, so I'll answer some other things after I get a bit more 'ready'.

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At any rate, I have to disagree with point number four. I'm far from maxed out in levels, so I don't know as much about rs as cam or jimmy. Whenever I have a question, it gets answered in the chat. Sure, RSwiki is a great resource, but the clan chat should be a better one. One shouldn't have to open another window or tab to get a simple question answered when we have the answer within the CC.


I perhaps didn't phrase it the best in the original post, but that's exactly what I want to see happen - People answering questions in the Clan Chat rather than just going "RSWiki it, noob".


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Obviously I support this, and will do my best to help out in any way I can. I have been playing a little more 'scape lately, so hopefully I can be of assistance. I certainly plan on helping out with the citadel every week.

And that's the thing. If you're pressed for time like I am, it doesn't take much effort to accumulate your weekly 1000 resources in game. Keep in mind that there IS tangible reward for doing this. You can get a clan ring that boosts your exp by 50% for a time when you've gathered enough resources in the citadel. I didn't know this before yesterday.

And lastly, as much as I'd like to do boss runs, dungeoneering, and/or minigames through the RVET, part of our mission is to offer different types of events so that over the course of time, there's something for everyone. We can't do p2p rs events every month, just as we can't do rs events every month.

It's been said, it's easy to organize a boss run or dungeoneering party. There was a time when every time I logged on there was a group of RVers in GWD.

And very very lastly...we've been shunned by Jagex. How does this affect our success as a clan? I was beginning to wonder whether we should separate RV the site and RV the clan. As Malkin said, those who frequent the CC are not the same people who are active on the forums. Just something to think about.


Re: Rvet. Of course, naturally you can't be organising something for P2P every week. That's unfair on you guys in the RVET team (Many of whom may not be actively playing) and unfair on our F2P members - I'd like to have an unofficial-official schedule of events though. It doesn't take much to set up a regular Dungeoneering time - And that's something that high levels can do workshops with low levels for. I really want to get some integration going. Same for bossing - We have enough high level combat nubs that running a bossing event isn't going to be much of a problem for low levels to attend - And I remember the days when we used to run bosses every week. I wasn't exactly high level at the time, but it was some of the most exhilarating moments I've had playing.


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I miss the old RV and the events we used to hold, and I completely agree with this. Everytime I get on nowadays there very few people in the chat and sometimes I'm alone even!
As soon as I saw this post I started talking to people and I think I have found a few people who might actually join :D
I know I'm not the most consistent Runevillager, but I still want to see this place successful and I'll do anything I can in order to help :D


I agree. The two things I loved about the clan was the regular bossing and the people inside it - The two kind of connected, and it kept people in the game. Everyone you can get is a bonus - Thank you.


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110% support for this.
myself and a group of the guys were actually discussing reviving the weekly bandos trip we used to do
so that would tie in perfectly with all of this. especially if meaning we would have a kick arse clan avatar to help out lol

Eh, the avatars aren't all that useful tbh. Jagex dropped the ball and should've made mini-summonable ones to go with our familiars. That aside, if people are willing to maintain the upkeep for the citadels, I'll be down to help as long as it doesn't turn out like the first time. RS-wise, I still think a lot of RVers are still active but as Malkin said, there are some that don't even browse the forums anymore.


Frankly I don't even care about the Avatar - Whatever boosts it gives, I'm not too worried about. The reason I want to build the citadel up is because I see it in two ways: 1) Clan pride. Being willing to pitch in to the citadel demonstrates that people care about more than just their XP (I wont lie, I was one of those people a year ago). 2) It's a good way to have a chat with people while doing a communal activity.


Another idea I'm tossing up is to start advertising the clan on the RSOF. I'm going to probably start writing that up now and see where it goes.

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 Post subject: Re: Where do we go now, where do we go now?
PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 6:56 pm 
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1. I want people in the Runevillage clan to begin actively recruiting. Every single member of the clan is able to invite members to the clan, and I would like to see an increase of at least one member a week. That's right - One member. Not at all difficult, especially if we have numerous people who are on the lookout for members. It can be friends, randoms, or whatever. Whomever you like. I want to see the Clan Chat packed out like it was in the good old days. Recruiting members is dead simple once they agree - See below for a step by step guide on how to do it.
Ead certainly proved that was a simple task with our Steam group! :P

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PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 7:18 pm 
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PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 10:09 pm 
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Jeez, Cam, have you changed that much since I last played RS? Last I remember, you were probably the least helpful person in there but here you are making this post.. :laugh:

I suppose I haven't played since 2010.

I also think it's pretty sad that point 4 even has to be made although I completely 100% agree with and support it. There was a point in time where this was SOP for Runevillage members. That is, being helpful, kind & considerate towards others, especially in matters relating to Runescape - the direct opposite of what I would consider the general feel of the RV Clan Chat to be when I was last active. Perhaps RV being on the brink of death is good enough motivation. Either way it's a long overdue suggestion to try and bring that general attitude back. I hope everyone makes an effort and that it is successful.

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 Post subject: Re: Where do we go now, where do we go now?
PostPosted: August 15th, 2012, 10:39 pm 
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To be fair ape, can has only changed in like, the last week or so perhaps lol.
Bout time too ;)
I'm very glad to see so many people wanting to make the effort though, as most nights I end up alone in the clan (this is changing a little at the moment) and I admit I've often thought about leaving the clan chat. After all I get asked every day to join a friends clan and often asked by randoms to join theirs. I Doubt I'm the only one like this as we have a number of very skilled players in our group
Fact is though that I haven't left and the reason for that is simple. Rv isnt my clan, it's my home away from home so to speak. 9 years of my life has been spent in rv based chat rooms. Be it on the site or in game.
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Jeez, Cam, have you changed that much since I last played RS? Last I remember, you were probably the least helpful person in there but here you are making this post.. :laugh:

I suppose I haven't played since 2010.

I also think it's pretty sad that point 4 even has to be made although I completely 100% agree with and support it. There was a point in time where this was SOP for Runevillage members. That is, being helpful, kind & considerate towards others, especially in matters relating to Runescape - the direct opposite of what I would consider the general feel of the RV Clan Chat to be when I was last active. Perhaps RV being on the brink of death is good enough motivation. Either way it's a long overdue suggestion to try and bring that general attitude back. I hope everyone makes an effort and that it is successful.


Least helpful because I was far too focused on myself - Still am, but I'm at the point where I can start sharing my success in levelling with others.

I think the biggest issue has been RSWiki - Prior to that, you either knew it or you didn't, and if you knew it, you were happy to share - Having the entirety of the game laid out for you on a single website was really game changing in how people approached it - It became a matter of "Just go and look it up" rather than help - And that's really what I'm looking to change. Also there's the realisation that RSWiki is only good if you want the basic understanding of something (They have a lot of wrong information because people don't understand how the game works).

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If I still played runescape (Which I do not) I would not recommend anyone to join the chat. Not to say this website is bad and I encourage you to recruit as many users as possible and would like to see your website be successful but my two cents is that if you are going to have a populated chat room and moderators within it to patrol it and enforce good dialect and a helpful atmosphere, it would be best if there was either someone to police those moderators or if moderating positions were only given to those who could do it responsibly and in a mature fashion and to add positiveness and helpfulness to the atmosphere of the chat room instead of indulging in discussion of whatever they would like in however fashion they would like and then running rampant with the ban hammer when the discussion gets heated. That's why I quit going into RV chat.

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Proletariat, oh shoot. i cant mute you here.

lol jokes aside, i dont think there are any issues. we do add to the discussions in chat. we are responsible, and mature, and use good judgement. no one has abused their privileges and muted anyone without reason. bans are rare.
the rules are lighter on language, so there are less reasons to mute.

to be able to comment on the state of the chat, or how it is operated, you should witness its activities first.

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I don't recall the last time there was a kick or anything of that nature issued in the clan chat.
Glod is around to police the mods of it is ever needed (which it isn't) and honestly I don't think there is an issue with any of the current mods. Sure I'm biased as I am one of the mods, but I've been a chat mod be is clan or site, for almost 9 years. So it's fair to say the admins trust me.
As for the clan chat, well I'm a pmod so jagex think I'm responsible also.
That said, everyone that visits the clan chat at the moment is fantastic. Any of them has it in them to be mod for us or even a pmod in game. They really are that great a group.
So a concern about moderators shouldn't even be a concern in the first place, because frankly the way the chat runs right now we aren't even needed. That's how awesome the clan chat group is

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If I still played runescape (Which I do not) I would not recommend anyone to join the chat. Not to say this website is bad and I encourage you to recruit as many users as possible and would like to see your website be successful but my two cents is that if you are going to have a populated chat room and moderators within it to patrol it and enforce good dialect and a helpful atmosphere, it would be best if there was either someone to police those moderators or if moderating positions were only given to those who could do it responsibly and in a mature fashion and to add positiveness and helpfulness to the atmosphere of the chat room instead of indulging in discussion of whatever they would like in however fashion they would like and then running rampant with the ban hammer when the discussion gets heated. That's why I quit going into RV chat.


Hi there Proletariat.

Bit of an interesting conundrum you posed there - Wanting to see the website do well, but without actually developing anything on what was once our flagship game. That's an interesting take - I'm curious as to what stratagem you would suggest to achieve this.

Onto your second point - On a quick read through the CC Moderators Forum, I found no mention of your name. That either means you've never been kicked from chat, or the records were lost in 2009 (Was it 09?) when the forum rollback happened. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you just witnessed such events and weren't directly effected by it. Can you show me any instance of the current crop of moderators abusing their power in this way?

For reference, the current CC mods are: Cam de Elite (Myself), Huntx, I Ventrue I, Market Man6, Mr. Lesmercy, Tanksandguns, Twobit88 and Znath. Deputy owners of the CC are Henner and Jackstick. Glodenox is the current owner of the clan.

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 Post subject: Re: Where do we go now, where do we go now?
PostPosted: August 16th, 2012, 9:42 am 
My milkshake brings all.
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Good God, I stop playing scape for a few weeks and Cameron turns into a helpful, kind individual? What is going on here?

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