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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 2
PostPosted: February 25th, 2014, 10:51 pm 
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I think both Eximus and J1N are exhibiting scum tells, J1N moreso however with an obstructionist approach. Being dismissive of discussion raises alarm bells for me.


Would love to hear what you think scum tells are.

I wasn't dismissing of discussion. I was dismissing of wasting the bloody day discussing the difference between Vote #2 and Vote #3 on a person who could be any role in the game at that point, since there is zero information otherwise, so therefore who voted second or third means absolutely nothing AT THAT POINT. If they vote for someone and that person dies, THEN it is a discussion worth having.

Also, to be quite frank, my vote will stand as I cannot be bothered to have any form of discussion with someone who thinks it is amusing to type entirely in capitals when there is no reason for it. It should be used for EMPHASIS, so people can actually see what his/her point is clearly. My opinion is that they are doing it to throw off any suspicion of being a mafia in the early game, as I highly doubt someone would continue that until late-game.

I REALLY CANT SAY HOW LONG ILL KEEP THE CAPS ON
IT IS NOT FOR AMUSEMENT
NOR IS IT TO SOMEHOW HOODWINK PEOPLE J1N

IT IS AN IDENTIFYING TOOL FOR OTHERS
SOME HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED DIFFICULTY IN KEEPING TRACK OF PEOPLE
THERE IS NO DIFFICULTY KEEPING TRACK OF THE GUY IN ALL CAPS
I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE
I WOULD LIKE TO STAY IN THE DISCUSSION
GET OVER IT

ON TO BUSINESS
GAMMATHORN
WHOM NEVER RESPONDED YESTERDAY ABOUT THE CHOICE TO LURK IN THIS GAME
APPARENTLY HE DOES HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE?

NINJAD:
I DONT REALLY KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO CORNELIOUS' POSTS
IF ITS HIS TACTIC ITS A CLEVER ONE BUT I WON'T BE VOTING FOR HIM JUST NOW


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 25th, 2014, 11:20 pm 
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Well since no one voted for Nonagon, I guess we're back to voting at people who irk us. (or are inactive)

Yesterday had four votes for J1N at one point, so that's my best guess for a lynch if we get one.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 2
PostPosted: February 25th, 2014, 11:40 pm 
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first off: gammathorn, are you SERIOUS? there were six hours left in the day phase and you wanted to "lurk another day"? knowing full well you would get a warning, and your second warning would get you modkilled?

you deserve all the votes you get from that. it might very well be mine soon enough.

however, this one demands my attention more:
HUAYRA wrote:
YOU SAY YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA
HOWEVER YOU HAVE VOTED FOR NOBODY
LEAD BY EXAMPLE
YOUR BETTER IDEA IS FAULTY THOUGH
NOBODY IS PUSHING HARD FOR A LYNCH
NOT A ONE IS TRYING TO FORCE ANYTHING *IT SEEMS*
PEOPLE ARE DOING WHAT IS DONE ON DAY 2
STIRRING THE POT
ELICITING RESPONSES
YOUR IDEA IS TO VOTE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE PLAYING THE GAME?
NEXT
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No need to put everything in capital letters.

I didn't vote as I was in a rush and I frankly forgot the name of the person I was addressing.

However, Huayra. I was asked for a better idea. I wasn't asked for a foolproof idea, I wasn't asked for the best idea possible. I provided my answer.
i voted for J1N yesterday and i'm doing so again now. this was just the nail in the coffin. you didn't vote because you were in a rush? you didn't vote because you didn't know who you were actually voting for?

a villager wouldn't do that. a villager would know that making a half-assed post is only going to get them under suspicioun, and that they would be better off making a well thought out post that touches on all of the topics and then follows through with a vote than make a crappy fast post that will get torn to pieces.

a mafioso wouldn't do that either, however. they would also be aware that their main goal is to stay under the radar, and making posts "in a rush" is not going to help their cause any.

so what i deduce from this is that you're lying. you didn't vote not because you were in a rush, but because you had no intention of placing that vote in the first place. when you were called on it you used the classic "too busy (it was probably schoolwork, even)" excuse. to even try admitting that you forgot the name of the person you wanted to vote for (aka you're not paying attention to the game) is even worse but its in the same ballpark.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 2
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 4:32 am 
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J1N wrote:
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I think both Eximus and J1N are exhibiting scum tells, J1N moreso however with an obstructionist approach. Being dismissive of discussion raises alarm bells for me.


Would love to hear what you think scum tells are.

I wasn't dismissing of discussion. I was dismissing of wasting the bloody day discussing the difference between Vote #2 and Vote #3 on a person who could be any role in the game at that point, since there is zero information otherwise, so therefore who voted second or third means absolutely nothing AT THAT POINT. If they vote for someone and that person dies, THEN it is a discussion worth having.

Also, to be quite frank, my vote will stand as I cannot be bothered to have any form of discussion with someone who thinks it is amusing to type entirely in capitals when there is no reason for it. It should be used for EMPHASIS, so people can actually see what his/her point is clearly. My opinion is that they are doing it to throw off any suspicion of being a mafia in the early game, as I highly doubt someone would continue that until late-game.


Not buying that defence, discussion is what generates information to vote on and nothing was being discussed at all at that point, so some information is better than none. Like I said it's obstructionist, J1N


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 6:01 am 
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MECHA wrote:
Well since no one voted for Nonagon, I guess we're back to voting at people who irk us. (or are inactive)

Yesterday had four votes for J1N at one point, so that's my best guess for a lynch if we get one.


That is no real reason to vote. What you are really doing is picking someone you know is likely to receive votes, and getting in there early so you don't get accused of jumping on a train later.

Mecha.

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I voted for J1N yesterday and i'm doing so again now. this was just the nail in the coffin. you didn't vote because you were in a rush? you didn't vote because you didn't know who you were actually voting for?

a villager wouldn't do that. a villager would know that making a half-assed post is only going to get them under suspicioun, and that they would be better off making a well thought out post that touches on all of the topics and then follows through with a vote than make a crappy fast post that will get torn to pieces.

a mafioso wouldn't do that either, however. they would also be aware that their main goal is to stay under the radar, and making posts "in a rush" is not going to help their cause any.

so what i deduce from this is that you're lying. you didn't vote not because you were in a rush, but because you had no intention of placing that vote in the first place. when you were called on it you used the classic "too busy (it was probably schoolwork, even)" excuse. to even try admitting that you forgot the name of the person you wanted to vote for (aka you're not paying attention to the game) is even worse but its in the same ballpark.

J1N


So you say that what I did was not something a villager would do. But also not something a mafia would do. Nice contradiction. Then you accuse me of lying? Well I wasn't, and don't appreciate being called a liar.

I was in a rush, I was going out, and you have no right to dismiss my reasoning if you are going to call me up for the same thing. I defy you to tell me the name of every person in this game without checking any list. It was early D2 and the post could have been by anyone. That is the one thing I will agree with Huayra on - at least his/her posting style is distinctive.

If I was a mafia I would not have even bothered posting a response in the first place. I would have kept quiet, lurked like Gamma, or tried sheeping a vote on and hoping nobody picked me up for it.

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I think both Eximus and J1N are exhibiting scum tells, J1N moreso however with an obstructionist approach. Being dismissive of discussion raises alarm bells for me.


Would love to hear what you think scum tells are.

I wasn't dismissing of discussion. I was dismissing of wasting the bloody day discussing the difference between Vote #2 and Vote #3 on a person who could be any role in the game at that point, since there is zero information otherwise, so therefore who voted second or third means absolutely nothing AT THAT POINT. If they vote for someone and that person dies, THEN it is a discussion worth having.

Also, to be quite frank, my vote will stand as I cannot be bothered to have any form of discussion with someone who thinks it is amusing to type entirely in capitals when there is no reason for it. It should be used for EMPHASIS, so people can actually see what his/her point is clearly. My opinion is that they are doing it to throw off any suspicion of being a mafia in the early game, as I highly doubt someone would continue that until late-game.


Not buying that defence, discussion is what generates information to vote on and nothing was being discussed at all at that point, so some information is better than none. Like I said it's obstructionist, J1N


So you refuse to answer my query regarding your opinion on scum tells?

Do you HONESTLY think that spending a day discussing whether vote #2 or #3 is more scummy BEFORE a lynch takes place is actually beneficial? Answer me that. Day 2 is the time to discuss other matters, the order of votes is a discussion to be had AFTER a lynch, or AFTER a death of someone people had been voting for. It isn't a defence, it is my opinion. The worst thing about this is that my opinion has now wasted almost of day of other people voting for me as a result. The best thing is that it has generated enough discussion for me to make my mind up about some people.

Mecha is where my vote remains, as someone I feel is a mafia for the aforementioned reasons.

KID, I feel that you are just a misguided villager, and I would rather not get into a long debate with you which ends in the lynch of one of us, then the other one as a result of that, and also a waste of a large percentage of both of our times. If this does happen, at least pay attention to those voting around you please.

Delta... contradictions, overly aggressive behaviour, and an attitude which is giving me bad vibes. From your writing style, I think I can guess who you are, and if that is true then you are someone who will make their mind up and refuse to change it out of pure stubbornness, even if you are completely wrong. Without wishing to antagonise you, you ARE wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 6:57 am 
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J1N wrote:
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Well since no one voted for Nonagon, I guess we're back to voting at people who irk us. (or are inactive)

Yesterday had four votes for J1N at one point, so that's my best guess for a lynch if we get one.


That is no real reason to vote. What you are really doing is picking someone you know is likely to receive votes, and getting in there early so you don't get accused of jumping on a train later.

Mecha.


i agree with jinx.
that a utterly silly reason to cast vote.

mecha logic not make sense.
just because no one vote 4 nony last round doesn't mean we just vote for people who irk us
that a red flag in my book.
nony make plenty of comments and we can analyze them but it look like mecha trying to steer away from that.

i been suspicious from the start of mecha and for some reason jin posts come across as honest to me, so i vote for mecha today just like i do yesterday.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 2
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 7:11 am 
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J1N, you being dismissive of the discussion was the scum tell I was referencing, or as Delta put it earlier:

DELTA SQUAD wrote:
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What is not actually that helpful, though, is spending most of day two discussing whether the second vote for a player is more or less scummy than the third. Voting for me for pointing out that completely valid fact is downright ludicrous.
from what i recall of mafia tactics, shaming someone by calling their well explained thought process "downright ludicrous" to get them to feel embarrassed and back off is a popular mafia method of discarding votes.


as for Eximus, I missed his post where he explained his vote, so ignore that.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 2
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 7:43 am 
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KID wrote:
J1N, you being dismissive of the discussion was the scum tell I was referencing, or as Delta put it earlier:

DELTA SQUAD wrote:
J1N wrote:
What is not actually that helpful, though, is spending most of day two discussing whether the second vote for a player is more or less scummy than the third. Voting for me for pointing out that completely valid fact is downright ludicrous.
from what i recall of mafia tactics, shaming someone by calling their well explained thought process "downright ludicrous" to get them to feel embarrassed and back off is a popular mafia method of discarding votes.


as for Eximus, I missed his post where he explained his vote, so ignore that.


How many times do I have to say this:

I wasn't dismissing discussion overall. I was trying to move us away from a discussion which I viewed as pointless at the time, to one which would be more productive.

Delta calling me a liar is equally shaming as me calling a thought process ludicrous.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 10:38 am 
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NONAGON wrote:
Archr, whose Voting Patterns are irking me.
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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 11:29 am 
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u aren't making sense.

nony explained in his next post the "voting patterns" he was talking about.

now u say that u just want to vote 4 people who irk u or r inactive but then vote 4 jin because u think he will gets lots of votes and b lynched.
u r talking in circles buddy.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 1:21 pm 
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The "Irking and Inactive" thing was aimed others, not myself.

The town can't win without lynching someone. Hence picking up where we left off and trying for J1N.

If that doesn't make sense to you than I cant help you.

CORNELIUS wrote:
nony make plenty of comments and we can analyze them but it look like mecha trying to steer away from that..

In that case I guess we should all vote for Archr.
So if you do I will!

Oh wait, you voted for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 1:28 pm 
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I forgot to add:

12 players remain. So its 7 votes to majority lynch.

....in case you were wondering ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 2:20 pm 
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I was lurking for the simple fact the current conversation was going in circles. I personally didn't see any big slip ups worth talking about. And didn't want to get involved with a conversation that would turn up no new information. As for the fact of me expecting to get accused, well even I know lurking looks scummy but that's a chance I'm willing to take.

As for HUAYRA, I find you a bit scummy for the fact you accused quite a few people in a short time rather than just sticking to one or two people. You could just be testing people to see how they react but theres a chance your just trying to start an easy lynch.

As for NONAGON being killed it may be a mafia trap. He was accusing ARCHR at the time so people may think he was killed to stop ARCHR from being exposed. But I think that he was killed to make ARCHR look like he was mafia.

MECHA wrote:
Well since no one voted for Nonagon, I guess we're back to voting at people who irk us. (or are inactive)

Yesterday had four votes for J1N at one point, so that's my best guess for a lynch if we get one.


This just flat out bugs me. Especially the best guess for a lynch part.

DELTA SQUAD wrote:
first off: gammathorn, are you SERIOUS? there were six hours left in the day phase and you wanted to "lurk another day"? knowing full well you would get a warning, and your second warning would get you modkilled?




Yes, I do believe that's what lurking is. I wouldn't have been killed off either because that would have been my first day without a post. Does that make me mafia?

And with that we will see what else comes up.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 3:20 pm 
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wait, are we trying to dress up the jailkeeper's breadcrumbs as him just being wrong? The jailkeeper dropping hints like that is standard practice.

ARCHR

gamma, explain why you think the mafia are using this as a trap i dont see it anywhere near like i see you attempting to divert from archr here.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 4:20 pm 
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wait, are we trying to dress up the jailkeeper's breadcrumbs as him just being wrong? The jailkeeper dropping hints like that is standard practice.

ARCHR

gamma, explain why you think the mafia are using this as a trap i dont see it anywhere near like i see you attempting to divert from archr here.


I said it may be. Someone has to contradict things. Its to easy to get influenced by mafia if we all think one-sidedly.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 5:32 pm 
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GAMMATHORN wrote:
And didn't want to get involved with a conversation that would turn up no new information.

That bugs me. Similar reasons to why I voted for J1N.
CORNELIUS wrote:
why is nobody posting.
every1 so quiet.

That bugs me. You posted one hour after the day started, when most players were probably considering sleep, and want everyone in a rush.
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That is no real reason to vote. What you are really doing is picking someone you know is likely to receive votes, and getting in there early so you don't get accused of jumping on a train later.

That still bugs me the most. J1N.

As for NONAGON. Normal Jailkeepers 100% protect and roleblock their targets for the night. The most we can do is treat his suspicions as just that. Very solid suspicions confirmed with good intent. Between them, the one against ARCHR I agree with.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 6:22 pm 
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EXIMUS wrote:
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And didn't want to get involved with a conversation that would turn up no new information.

That bugs me. Similar reasons to why I voted for J1N.
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why is nobody posting.
every1 so quiet.

That bugs me. You posted one hour after the day started, when most players were probably considering sleep, and want everyone in a rush.
J1N wrote:
That is no real reason to vote. What you are really doing is picking someone you know is likely to receive votes, and getting in there early so you don't get accused of jumping on a train later.

That still bugs me the most. J1N.

As for NONAGON. Normal Jailkeepers 100% protect and roleblock their targets for the night. The most we can do is treat his suspicions as just that. Very solid suspicions confirmed with good intent. Between them, the one against ARCHR I agree with.


In what way does an extremely valid point bug you the most? Because you know it to be true? :roll:


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PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 6:32 pm 
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That bugs me.


good reasoning chap

i think youre just defending your partner in crime. FOS

MECHA
i agree with J1N here, mechas vote reasoning is completely scummy considering a power role had just died
why he would be so desperate for a lynch instead of taking the opportunity to examine nonagons death for useful information is beyond me


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 6:39 pm 
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In what way does an extremely valid point bug you the most? Because you know it to be true? :roll:


Because when someone who already is voting for you on one day decides to vote for you again, using the timing of the vote is nigh on ludicrous. Just like CORNELIUS' rushing all the sleeping players to post as fast as possible, your thoughts on timing bug me. Almost ironic, since it was also your thoughts on timing about the order people vote in that bugged me to start the original train on you.


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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Welcome to the Masquerade - Day 3
PostPosted: February 26th, 2014, 7:19 pm 
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EXIMUS wrote:
J1N wrote:
In what way does an extremely valid point bug you the most? Because you know it to be true? :roll:


Because when someone who already is voting for you on one day decides to vote for you again, using the timing of the vote is nigh on ludicrous. Just like CORNELIUS' rushing all the sleeping players to post as fast as possible, your thoughts on timing bug me. Almost ironic, since it was also your thoughts on timing about the order people vote in that bugged me to start the original train on you.


wait a minute.
this is scum scum all the way.
you are graspin at so many straws makin a mountain out of a molehill trying to point fingers at every1 if u think me askin where people r is "rushing sleeping players to post as fast as possible" and is thus suspicious.
that not even make sense. like no logic there at all.
there is no reason to do that at all for mafia OR 4 villager.
i'm just a curious person and i saw it had been post for an hour with zero post from anyone and i thought it weird y not a single person been online.
see.

i actually think all your reason r really weak, exy.

all of u guys r tryin to be convincin that jin is a mafia, and i not going 2 let myself be influence because it not seem correct 2 me.

also, icy ice where are u. mr. quiet.


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