The president takes too much blame and credit. Realistically, everything that makes us vote yes/no with our reasons has many other factors influencing it (congress and their lobbyist, bureaucracy, the list continues with many others) than just the president.

So simply I voted no, the man can give a great speech but I'd rather see a new contestant win American Idol the presidency race next season.

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I feel Obama is a weak president, more interested in avoid conflict with Republicans and the world at large, that he would very likely fail to achieve anything in his first term. But as for whether he should get a second term or not, it really depend on which Republican candidate is challenging him in 3 years time.

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Avoiding conflicts seems like a fairly good idea. What conflict avoidance do you take issue with?

As for the opening question...not a fan of a lot of stuff he's done (or hasn't done) but whether anybody the GOP selects would be much better is questionable.

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Domestically, the healthcare, sure I am against it, but you would think with super majority, he would try to push it through, whether Republicans like it or not, instead, he is holding until the new Senate is sworn in.

Internationally, the unwillingness to be an unbiased player in middle east peace accord, he is bending backwards not to offend Netanyahu, silence on Gaza siege, fail to open talks with Hamas, sidestepping Lebanon, following Bush's strategy in Afghanistan. I am beginning to think he is just a younger version of Bush lately. Some radical independent thinking would do him a world of good.


Hence I reserve the answer to this question until 3 years time.

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I didn't want him in the first place. I knew he wasn't stern enough to stand against congress and he's yet to change my opinion on that.

I also don't like that he cut military funding that was going towards equipment that would save a lot of American lives.

The only reason people went with him is because no one in this country seems to know how the government works. The president is no more than an image if he doesn't push hard. Everyone wanted to get rid of Bush for all the things that congress did and now Obama is giving that same congress more say than they've had for a while now.

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if he is running against palin yes, if not then maybe

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the fact of the matter is he wont get reelected..trust me

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Only if the American people re-elect him. ;D

2012 will be my first presidential election and thus far I see no reason to rule out Obama.

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If memory serves, McCain's strategy consisted of "Speak my mind on what I'll do and let them be damned if they don't agree." His only real mistake against that idea was being asked about his opinion on a matter concerning the courthouse, and he answered uncharacteristically that it was for the people of that state to decide on. Four years later, he apologized for speaking like a politician and said "I dislike it and yada yada."
With that kind of attitude, he still nearly won the presidency, more held back by his running partner than himself. >_>

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Yes he should, there are certain things he has yet to do for fear of not getting re-elected, I have high hopes for his second term.

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So we're supposed to wait 4 years for him to start doing something? If he isn't doing anything now because he doesn't want to risk losing a second term then that's no different to the country than if he was only around for one term. That's not leadership material. That's a man trying to be in the history books and keep himself in power as long as he can.

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He is making positive changes already, as well as a few mistakes, as all presidents do. However every president has some more radical changes that they would like to make during their time in power. If these changes are made during their first term then it is likely that if they are not re-elected they will simply be reversed by the next president, but if you wait until a possible second term to make these changes, the groundwork is already in place and you already know that people are likely to back your bid for change.

Obama isn't a perfect president, but he has a far better job than McCain would have and I hope he can continue to do so.

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I'm afraid your logic is completely flawed, Matt.

Whether Obama tried to make a change now or in his second term has absolutely zero bearing on what the next president would do. We also have no evidence that McCain would have done a worse job.

Besides, if Obama's goal is to be elected another term he's certainly doing a terrible job at it. He has a terrible image in the public right now because of all the false promises he made during the election. It also doesn't help that he's been cutting funds wherever possible. He's cut technology funds as well as corporal funds. I'd hardly say putting american companies in a position in which they can't move forward a positive change. It's lethal to the economy and has increased the amount of layoffs as well as the amount of hours that employees are receiving.

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Should he? No.

Will he? Probably.

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Matt, oh matt. Positive changes? Examples please. Surely it can't be the stimulous (SP?).
He rammed billions of dollars in pure debt down out throats. Check out this website something like stimulouswatch.com I think, it shows you where all the money is going. It's almost funny. Some of it is great, but others... not so much. His idea of giving health care to everyone is great. But it's simply not possible without putting us in more debt. Besides, what's already the best in the world doesn't need fixing. When you have family like I do, who are ill alot, then waiting a month for a docter isn't an option. I'm rambling now, but the point is, I havn't seen him do anything good for this great country yet. Give some examples and I hope to God you can prove me wrong. I don't think he should be re-elected unless he makes an epic come-back. I don't think he will be elected either, people are mad as hell, and they're not going to take anymore. Sure there's still Obama supporters, but the tides have turned. The special ellection of Scott Brown was a huge sign to the radical left. If they keep pushing for things the American people are telling them they don't want, there is no way he will get re-elected.

P.S. I'll be slow to respond to any reply's of mine. Also, 'Prez' is not a word. Pet-Peeve.

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The US health care is not the best in the world, you're delusional if you think so. Also do you place Obama ideologically on the radical left?

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He'll run, that's for sure. Of course, about all first term presidents do.

But so far he's about accomplished nothing other than wasting tax dollars on
stimulus that didn't do what he claimed it would. eg.
"The unemployment rate will never go above 8%" as it quite easily surpassed.

So, his economic plan flopped miserably, health-care is dead and buried, and cap-and-trade is
thank GOD given up on and forgotten.

He's doing bad enough that even Massachusetts lost a democrat seat in a
"no contest" race. His once bulletproof majority is crumbling because
his ideals were so extreme left that even his own party split on them.



Poisoning the well fallacy.
anyway...

US healthcare and the related research accounts for a tremendous number of medical breakthroughs and technologies and most effective treatment.

Left or Right, whatever he is, he's in the not-direction of the Republican party.

Back to the topic at hand,
By all rights if you go by poll numbers and stuff in like a primary, he probably wouldn't be considered.
On most issues on the regular Gallup polls he's below 50% and comes out roughly 50% overall.
It's come almost even disapprove to approve in a few recent times.
At the moment it seems about even approve and disapprove, that's also not even looking at
the congress' approval rating.

At his current stance, he would actually have to... work bipartisan, which if you've looked at
anything the past year, plainly won't happen. This has been one of the most divisive and
partisan presidencies so far completely stonewalling along party lines for the sake of
purely democrat-only ideals to be passed which... failed.

Hopefully in the next few remaining years, he actually listens to what the people want
rather than appeasing the extremists with his campaign promises and things that'd never pass.

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To be fair, no he is not.
He's a democrat.

Democrats have a belief that the government should oversee businesses in a close but not too close "over the shoulder". Socialists want to control the economy all together. I'd love for you to tell me you'd rather have let all the banks keep doing what they were instead of someone stepping in and saying "What the hell are you thinking". If he was a socialist he'd have pushed for the federal reserve to swallow all debts and consume all affected assets and then claimed ownership eternally.

To set this straight I'm not defending his approach, Since I'm more of a libertarian personally, but you can't fault him for trying when nobody else would step up.

I've bit my tongue here because I really don't like political discussions since they just upset people, but I honestly think that he should finish this term then see what happens. If somehow in this next three years he does right by america I'm sure he'll get re-elected. However if this "Tea Party" garbage and slander end up getting to those too weak to make up their own minds then people's reaction to him won't change and he won't be re-elected.

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Just because he claims to be a democrat doesn't mean he is a democrat. He believes he is one, but he acts more like a socialist.

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Anything to the left of the republican right in the USA is considered socialist to be honest, it's ridiculous. At most he is a social democrat but in no way is he a socialist.

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