Not to disagree with some people about two sides to every story, but Shadow has a point with SOME of the staff. I am not going to sit and drop names or anything, but you know, some of the staff here DO hold grudges and they DO use their power to tarnish the reputation of us normal users who can do all about it because we don't have power to back us up. Good speech, Shadow, although I don't particularly care about stories because everyone lies on the net. Anyway goodbye and good luck in the future.

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Shadow, I was never what you would call “involved” when you left the first time, and right wrong or indifferent, it was a sad day for the RV when it happened in my opinion.

You have always provided help to those that ask for it, have voiced your opinion where warranted and been as frivolous as possible when the moment was right.

Obviously, bad feelings remain on both sides about the past situation and it sounds like things were/are deteriorating again.

Unfortunate.

While the written word is a powerful thing, it is not always taken in the spirit it was written and often one misunderstanding of intent can lead to a whole chain of events that spiral out of control for everybody involved.

Things are written and sometime the human nature comes with an unwillingness to backpedal or rethink the cause of it all which can and does lead to deep and long lasting rifts in relationships of individuals and groups.

Again, unfortunate.

I for one shall truly miss your input and your company Shadow, I have always respected the words you had to share, and the contemplation of the void that looms ahead where your posts should be found is not one I look forward too at all.

Good Luck and Take Care.

Randy

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Shadow,
I've never been one to hate you....The day you got banned I was very peeved off...It was a major upset to me. You were always there to give me advice and you were always there to share with us your stories. It was a grand time that's all I could say...

Over the past months after your banning I wondered and wondered where you went..I asked and asked until it was inevitable...you had left RS and RV for good. Well, Over the months I had gotten in abit of a lapse and was thinking...where oh where did he go...then I talked with Jenny and asked if she had your email or anything to see if I could get in contact with you. You were never a bad friend and you always enjoyed everyones company...But man people get bitter and not everyone agrees.

Anyway, Shadow I'll miss you alot. So I'll sign-up on Sal's forums and see you around there. Though I won't be active much. RV is my home. =P If you want to contact me, I'm Shadowsmage and Semaphia on RS.

@Allen: I didn't expect you to say anything like that...I'm rather..confused...I thought I knew the real Allen...Always willing to help and never one to judge. Well, We can talk this over if we need to.

Best of luck, Take care!!!!<3

Tyler

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Well in Apple mate.

Shadow, come back when you can talk to someone without standing upon that pedestal of yours.

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Well, I can't say I know much about either sides of this predicament, so it's best I keep my mouth shut. I didn't even know what Shadow was banned for, or, even that he WAS banned untill shortly before he came back.

Fare thee well, Seventh Shadow.

Keep writing CoO2 or I'll decapitate you with the razor-sharp rim of my top hat!

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Gah I'm just sick of people discussing stuff we haven't heard of in open forums, hinting things we don't even know about. This makes it hard for me, and other people I'm sure to figure out who is right. Why not use Pms?

Anyways, you're still on my friend list shadow, even tho I don't pm you often , but my pm always stay on too, so feel free. Gl on sals realm, in rs, and in rl.

Have fun.

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Since you have said it several times (both in this post and in the one after I got banned), I should mention that I never accused the staff of corruption. In the few worst cases that occured with the staff, a person may call those situations corruption, though even in those cases that would be a stretch; however, I never used the word corruption and this was not simply a coincidence. I'm not sure who started the rumor of me accsuing the staff of rampant corruption, but it's annoying; I even had mods messaging me who thought that as a quote I had accused them in particular of being corrupt. If this is something you believe from reading my post, I suggest you read it more carefully. I do not deny, however, that I accuse some staff members of abusing their power, and not necessarily on a small scale accident.

I suspect that at least part of the reason you are reacting so strongly is because you think these comments are directed yourself, and while you are at least to some degree part of the staff I reference, among them, your reaction was the most reasonable and tolerant I recieved. While you claim indignation about me supposedly dragging the staff through the mud, you have no problem with myself being dragged through the mud. While you claim indigation over me supposedly distorting the truth, you had no problem with those staff members who flat-out lied about events that occured, even when the exact quotes showing the opposite could be presented. While you claim indignation over me supposedly leaking mod forum info, you had no problem when every other staff member leaked mod forum info in an attempt to smear myself. You claim indigignation for me "only presenting one side of a story", but you didn't care that in my first quitting post that the staff used my attempt to present both sides of the story as a way to make sure the post was banned. Furthermore, you showed no indignation when user's posts were deleted and the users threatened by staff simply for siding with shadow's actions or for correcting lies made by the staff. You want sympathy for putting so much time into RV, but from what I'm reading seem to believe that I deserved even worse from the staff (correct me if I'm wrong), though I myself have likely spent just as much time answering the questions of others (in the extreme, spending up to an hour writing an answer to a single question). You complain that being staff is a thankless job from the members of RV, but could care less that I myself never have recieved thanks from the staff nor asked for it (I will mention, however, I have often recieved thanks from the members I have helped and do not want them to think it is unappreciated). You complain that your job is made even worse by the harassment of members on the way out, but could care less that my job is made harder by disgruntled staff members on the way in. Despite all this, I will repeat again that I have no charges of corruption against yourself or even the rest of the staff. However, at least in this case, you are a hypocrit.

The reason this is the second time I am leaving is because, when I came back to Runescape, I was bombarded by many requests to join RV again. I did so, suspecting that if I was being asked to come back by normal members, then there was something I could contribute there. And this appeared to be true from what I saw. However, from the moment I came back, I continued to run into problem after problem after problem with the staff, even to the degree that some people seemed to take it upon themself to remove random mundane posts of mine, including answers to questions in the Question forum.

One of these days, another issue arised (one which was mentioned in my first post), and I tried to resolve it. I got a few answers from the person involved, and it appeared there was a misunderstanding about what had happened (the part of my post I think you were talking about when you thought it was a lie and that I had shown my true colors). I was eventually able to track down several messages between me and this person in the past; these were the messages that they were referring to in the incident. I asked the person for any messages they had saved related to it so I could take a look at them myself. They claimed to have none (which, from what I heard, is particularly odd as I was told they had supposedly quoted me in their hidden topic). I sent them a copy of every message I could find between me and them, which showed the opposite was true of what they had said in the hidden forum to which I couldn't respond. Furthermore, I said that if there were messages that had been sent that had been inappropriate, I unambiguously apologized from them but said I was concerned in that everything I could find seemed to suggest it never happened. The reply was met by silence after the person read it. My initial reaction was, "Ugh, how am I going to fix this? Another staff member with a problem with me who flat out ignores anything I have to say." It was then I realized, "Why am I dealing with this?" I have made every effort to work out any problems with the staff that I could possibly make. I had been willing to spend hours discussing any problem with any staff member if necessary, and they almost all just snubbed me, an absolute refusal to listen anything I say (a pattern I see arising in yourself, Apple, though in your case it's more a matter of "I'll just believe anything Shadow7 says is false). I thought about this question, and I couldn't answer it. When it comes purely to me and the staff (not counting anyone else), they were doing nothing to help me, nor had they ever for the most part. If anything, I was the one helping them by improving the site. So why should I be the one to be constantly abused? Like a battered wife, I kept trying to fix the problem in hopes that one more try and they would finally treat me fairly to at least some degree on that next try. I realized, it was never going to happen, and there's no reason to allow it to continue to happen. And thus, I decided to call it quits. Of course, Apple, I do suspect you will read this, but I also suspect that you have done with every single statement of mine, you will just chalk up the entire thing to a series of lies and manipulations by myself, but I post this in hopes that maybe I will be wrong about this. I gain nothing by typing all of this. In the worst case scenario, if you read this and just disbelieve it (or simply don't read it), then we will likely never be in contact again. This won't affect those who are in contact with me, though, and thus, I will neither be better off nor worse off. Rather, I type this in hopes that you will possibly listen to it and open up a contact with me again, though given past patterns I do not expect it to be likely.


As for everyone else, I mentioned the site I was going to at least for now, but am not encouraging anyone to join there. I am simply mentinoing it as a way of contacting me if necessary, much as a person might leave an e-mail. I have no affiliation with the site yet other than being a one-day member. Furthermore, an alternate method of contacting me is to simply message me in Runescape.

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Well im no staff member, so I dont know much about all the drama, but I always respected you as a very intelligent and contributing member to this site. The day you were first banned, was probably the first time I actually cared that someone was banned. Was happy to see you back, sad to see you go. Perhaps we'll chat in game someday

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See you, not much else I can say. The whole first post does seem like a smear against the staff and that somehow they're all plotting against you, but meh, what are you going to do? See ya, and bye.

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I am well aware you never used the word corruption. I dont blame you, because it is a powerful word, but much of what you have accused the staff of is corruption. I dont know of any rumor of you accusing the staff of rampant corruption, I certainly didnt start it, nor do I believe you think there is rampant corruption. But you have accused the staff of corruption, most notably:

I have not seen or heard anything to show that is remotely true. If that was taking place, you definitely should have PMed an admin about it.

As for your suspicions that my reaction is based on you directing things at me, thats just not the case. Our interaction has been quite limited since your return, and while it wasnt cordial, it certainly wouldnt be enough to drive you from the site or make these comments. I get the suspicion a lot of this took place on RS, which I am obviously quite removed from. So no, I dont think you were aiming at me. But you are aiming at my staff, without any evidence to back it up. If you have proof that members of the mod team acted in the way you described, please send them my way. But making vague accusations of wrong-doing just isnt gonna cut it for me.

As for the event in question, that caused all of this, it is definitely a situation where its his word against yours. And while I believe there was a misunderstanding at some level, I believe the person in question at the core. As I said earlier, given both of your track records, and the fact that he has nothing to gain from making something like that up, I just cant believe your side. Im sorry that this situation was brought out into public. It shouldve never left the mod forum. I can tell you I was personally outraged that it was. Just as outraged as when you brought private information outside. Things said in there are supposed to be said in confidence, unfortunately that never seems to be the case anymore.

I dont know how you can claim you never got any thanks from the staff for the work you did here. What do you call that yellow symbol you have? Legend isnt just handed out to anyone, you were recognized for all the help you gave. Same thing goes for your promotion to mod. I dont know what you were expecting, some sort of certificate of thanks signed by Hiker and mailed to your doorstep, but to say that you were never recognized for your work here is ludicrous.

As for me being a hypocrite? Im sure I am. I have certainly never claimed to be perfect, nor do I aspire to be so. I just do the best that I can. I personally know I did nothing wrong in this situation, I was hardly involved. What I do know is I have a problem with what you have now done twice. Causing all this controversy, and stirring up trouble yet again. Both times you had the opportunity to go out calmly and with class. Instead of doing that you have done the opposite, trying to prove to everyone that you were right all along. Instead of saying "Since my return to RV I feel that there is lingering animosity from the staff, so its best if we just part ways," we got all this. I dont know why you chose to do this. Certainly its under the guise of "bettering RV" but we all know this kind of thing helps nobody. If I were to ever get into this sort of situation, I would never ever do what you have done. Stop trying to show everyone you are perfect.

If you want to discuss this further, please feel free to PM me. I feel that continuing this argument in public is only making things worse. You know I read everything, and you should know that I never dismiss anything without giving it thought.

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To say that about a staff position is a misinterpretation of what a staff position means. A staff position is not some reward that a person gets for doing well, it's power given to a person who can be trusted with it to help others more effectively. Which is all the more reason that it shouldn't be used to enforce personal grudges against a person. Furthermore, I am not complaining about never getting any thanks as it's something I have never asked for nor needed; it is an entirely different thing for staff members to actually be an obstruction, however. On the other hand, given that this is true, I do find it entirely inappropriate to say that I can't say anything bad about staff members, no matter what the do me, on the basis that "it's a thankless job".

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Well, I'm really not sure what to say.

I'd like to think that this entire situation is a series of misunderstandings and biased siding with one or the other parties involved. I've always known you to be a good person, though the same can be said for those in opposition to you. Each side has its own story and its own logic. I'm mainly speaking of this latest incident (with the story) that has seemed to brought you to the final deciding point.

That being said, I would much prefer staying on a neutral point in this. I understand your reasons for leaving Shadow, and I hope you do fine in life, wherever you find yourself.

I would keep in touch on RuneScape, but I don't play anymore.

While that's true, I believe that if the rest of the staff and the admins trust you enough to put the powers in your hands, it's pretty much a reward in itself. That and the personal satisfaction of knowing you're helping this community and that they noticed it.

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This is one thing I definitely want to clear up. The Legends Rank is 100% a reward given. Its purpose is to recognize outstanding members of the community. When I was voted in the first batch of Legends, we were given no power. Reporting posts didnt yet exist. The purpose of the Legends is most certainly not about the limited power given to them.

You can make a better case about moderators being about trust and not reward, but I, and many other people would recognize that the administration having that kind of confidence in you is its own reward.

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If I understand correctly, wasn't bringing these situations to public what started it all? Although no real information is being revealed, the result will be the same.

Anyways, was always friends with you Shadow, this won't change this. See you on Runescpae.

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Well, I didn't talk to you in person ever, (I think),
But your posts always seemed informed and helpful.

Though I'm not familiar with the story of your ban, I agree. Not with everything you say, but I agree.
A medal always has two sides, and there's no way around that.

I wish you good luck, and have fun again with the game...don't let yourself down because of some 15-20 year olds. ->with exceptions, of course.

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Would you both just shut up about this? Applequest and Shadow...not that i want you to go tho...

you both are fighting over something that are in-between you but still why on this post...just talk it over MSN or something like that. I mean that if you came back (Shadow7) then just stay back...i meant that like you can just ignore the people who attack you with flaming...

I have had this over the internet and in Real life. right now for instance...there are some people that anyone me for once. I mean that i hate it like you hate it too.

I just want the member of the Runevillage not to break up of this or something like that. If you want to go just leave and just post with out backquacking on Applequest... for once. i would like to know you more then leaving so soon after you just came back.

I have had these days but just ignore them. I can withstand them but i don't know if you can. If...I can't just keep them up so i just tell them over and over when they bug me or something like that. they will just off and just leave you in piece. i have tried and it worked for me...

Just think about this Shadow7...i'm not going agents you or you eather Applequest... but i just hate this bickering...(a pet pieve of mine) just stay for longer and see what happens

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1,000 posts, Rank Priest of Saradomin on 27 May 2008, 20:03

Bye Shadow, sorry you had to leave like this.

I'm with Goten on this one.
Although I am a tad shocked to see this hostility, I'll remain neutral.
Lets let bygons be bygons.

Bye Shadow.

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