Funny that Sparky's voting for the guy who doesn't want him lynched and not actually working to disprove the solid case against him.
Funny that Pyro's still fretting over activity more than their presentation despite the clear lack of inactivity, even from those who are normally inactive.

And we're about halfway over a lynch to both, with only one of them considering but not voting for the other? It really can't be this easy. Thr and Frank haven't voted despite a few clear reasons to, even going by their knowledge of the game by the last post. I'm starting to feel a little more strongly about the idea that Frank's playing a knowledgeable, village-"protective" Mafia member, and would like to point out that almost none of our discussion has actually included Thr's placement anywhere. Being off the radar is a good Mafia place to be, not Villager.

Pyro's most recent post seems a little more village aligned, but by the same token inventing possibilities of role amounts and numbers of power roles still doesn't sit right with me. And thus far Sparky STILL hasn't changed his situation, though I'll give him that he has to get home from work before the possible content gets a chance to show.

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Interesting that Sparky and Aragorn have to be linked, Pyro. Sparky didn't officially defend Aragorn, he simply quoted his personal belief that Day One is a crock. It's weirder yet that you're willing to dismiss any of Aragorn's votes on you as a joke despite him being the prime suspect of your case.
Believe me, I share the suspicion of "We nearly lynched him, and failed, so he'll probably not be suspect for future lynches as easily". It's pretty common. But I feel like you're particularly fixated on it.

As was with Aragorn, I'd be delighted to join the Sparky train if Pyro's doesn't pan out by the end of the in-game day. But I still feel like there's more of a new, weird road being taken by Pyro that implies "I'm not a townie", where Sparky simply hasn't taken a road yet.

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It's just obvious that Aragorn's "You know the drill guys <b>Pyro</b>" post was a joke.

I can't hold it against him. Even if he is my prime target, it doesn't change the fact that he was just joking.

Sparky and Aragorn don't HAVE to be linked. I'm willing to believe a scenario in which Aragorn is mafia and Sparky is villager. It wouldn't be the first time Sparky has defended a mafia Aragorn. It just seems evident that people aren't interested in voting for Aragorn right now, and I'm not interested in splitting the vote and letting the mafia be the only ones to get kills the first three days YET AGAIN.

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"working to disprove the solid case against him"

The "solid" case you speak of

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I didn't "fight" with Paidea. I did a curt answer which is what this whole train stems from.

I was at work with a 3/5 train on me so I made sure to get my "If I die, this is my suspicion" post out while I could.

Sig might have started my train today but It's you who keeps it fueled from yesterday.

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I never said you fought with him. I'm keeping you partly in the spotlight because your scumminess started yesterday when you willingly decided to not join in on serious discussion SOLELY due to the fact that it was day one.

Read this, though: you currently are over halfway to a lynch because of it, and I'm not one of the ones on board with it. The fact that you're trying to blame me instead of change things up for yourself by finding something definite to point out about someone (while flip-flops and finger points reside all around you to choose from) doesn't help you. And a confirmed villager who was killed last night said the same thing yesterday. Nobody needs my input on it to be convinced of you being suspicious.

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I don't see us getting anywhere with two people that are going to spend the entire game going in circles.

I'm going to start assuming that there is no link between Kikori and Sparky. I still feel a connection with Sparky and Aragorn, but Kikori and Sparky just doesn't make any sense to me anymore.

At this point, I no longer think that the mafia is Aragorn, Sparky, and Kikori. I just think that of the three of you, two are most likely the mafia. Whoever the third is, is another question. but if we take out so much as one mafia, we gain a lot more leeway with our timeline to work on finding the other. I just hope my feelings about this aren't wrong.

Something definitely seems off, but I just can't place it.

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It's that it seems too easy to pin two very definitely suspicious people at once (currently you and Sparky) with so many votes, no lynch being hammered by now, and no real sense of being threatened by the two people-not-me you suspect (Aragorn and Sparky). It strikes me somewhat as the Mafia hoping to play dumb while one of their own gets tossed under the bus. That kind of behavior would imply that only one of you two currently under fire are Mafia.

For what it's worth, we have a little less than one real life day to figure it out. Given the pace of things, plenty of time for people to find a bit more reason to suspect anyone and pile on another vote.

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Likewise, it's just as likely that this is a rerun of the last game where the votes keep getting split between villagers while the mafia just watches the town throw the entire game without any real effort from them.

Meanwhile, I don't take "a little less than one real life day" as something beneficial. Isn't tomorrow a workday for a lot of people? We're running short on time between our first real life day being nothing but people saying that they didn't have any input because it was election day and then tomorrow being another work day for most people.

I'm getting more and more suspicious of you today Kikori, but voting for you would just be splitting the vote, and we aren't in a comfortable enough situation to do that if there really are 3 mafia.

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Tomorrow's as much of a workday as today was. We've amassed quite a few votes today. There's no reason to act like we've hit a brick wall just because of a bit of work and a single night of watching elections more than Mafia. I shouldn't need to say this, but only Thr and Frank haven't voted. Even if we end up in a three-way split of three votes for everyone as they place their votes, suspicions are abound enough that people can agree on someone and swing over. I also shouldn't need to remind you that I'm STILL suspicious of Sparky. You, moreso. But if you don't pan out, there's a visible plan B I've been hovering the spotlight on all day.

Calm your tits and worry more about what people say than how often they say it. It'll help me vote for you less.

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I didn't say you said I was fighting:But you're not the only one I'm trying to convince I'm not mafia?

My vote for you wasn't one to get others to vote for you, today, just if I died today.

It's not like I could convince five people to vote for you out of nothing.

Just like I wouldn't take anything anyone said about anyone day one as a real reason to lynch someone. not until night one brought the finger pointing into a new perspective.

The mafia wouldn't kill someone who was suspicious of them. That would be dumb.

I'm not gonna pull a Pyro and get myself killed to prove I'm innocent and my view are the right one, but I can at least get my views out and people can view them as they please, like with Top.

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SPARKY TRAIN:

This one has kind of caught me off-guard to be honest. I felt Pyro was a strong target to focus on. I didn't expect to see people really willing to jump on the Sparky wagon.

I think I understand why Top has Sparky as a mafioso-read. Sparky was stonewalling when Paidea was probing him. I understand why Sparky did it, after all, I did it too. What I found concerning about the situation was that while Sparky and I both were ignoring Paidea's obnoxious questions he was also willing to bicker with him about it. Trading an FoS with Paidea over his antics. Later voting for him over it... Little things like he is playing too defensively for some reason we know not why.

I get that this warrants suspicion but is it sufficient enough to be a "solid case?"



It is funny... but you didn't do Sparky too many favors here. Siggy may have been the one to cast the first vote on Sparky, but the train really started when you brought up Top's post. Personally, I wouldn't have considered Top's last public read today. But you brought it up and other players seem to be assigning it some weight.

I held up my vote up until now because I saw that Sparky had promised to make a post after work... Now I've got Sparky's post and I'm not a fan.



OK I've seen both you and Paidea object to the term fight. Let me rephrase... I find it troubling that you found it necessary to bicker with Paidea over his questions and I also found it troubling that Paidea was constantly prodding people over their take on things.

For you Sparky, it's troubling because what I said above. For Paidea, it's troubling because I keep envisioning you "watching this game from above." Perhaps that allegory will best describe the feeling.

All this said, your post feels more of the same. I'll be honest, I don't know how you really can defend against this. There really anything tangible to defend against. (At least from my perspective...) But what you said was thoroughly unconvincing.

PYRO TRAIN:

Pyro's post to vote up Aragorn was weird. Like I said before, it was in conflict with itself. I can see Pyro flipping mafia. I can also see that post being the silly thing a Town Pyro says to get himself lynched over.

The last game we played with 10 players there were only two mafia. Pyro continues to entertain the idea that there could be three. Admittedly, I hadn't been considering the possibility myself... I don't think speculating on it helps much and, quite frankly, saying something like that feels a lot like a mafioso trying to get the town to be overly caution of lynching him. Though, you're not wrong. It's something we have to consider.

Last game, I felt that Pyro was town and he was worth following. Despite not getting the lynch right, the narrative he was telling was compelling and I would follow it again. The narrative Pyro is putting forth here just isn't right. It sort of feels town but not really... It's off...

The real problem I am having is that I really want to vote for both of you at the moment.

The one thing that I feel tips the balance here is Sparky's vote on Kikori. He makes a weird vote on Kikori when he could have joined the perfectly reasonable train on Pyro. Or he could have continued his vote on Paidea. Both votes I understand the rationality behind them without thinking about.

But why Kikori...? And then his follow up he doesn't offer an explanation for the vote. It's just sort of there. And the follow up to that he insinuates he has some reason, but he's not telling us. Being too defensive, not being open... Ugh...

I don't want to cast my vote at the minute because I feel like it will close down shop and there is posts flooding in left and right as I type this all up. As it stands right now, I will be voting for Pyro.

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Seems so. My mistake.

The rest of that, however...
1.) I'm reading that as "I'm hoping, if I die, people see a very official suspicion against you (Kikori) when I go". Good call on paper. Now that it's established, consider voting for a lynch that is more likely to happen if the chance arises. Doesn't even have to be Pyro yet.

2.) Mafia kill people suspicious of them all the time. It's prime material for WIFOM arguments that extend days and result in mis-lynches.

3.) Good idea, but with the lynch against you not secured and about 21 solid hours of time to come up with or share new views, you're taking a position of already being doomed and defeated. You can do better. We've seen it before.

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My vote stands on you, Pyro. I don't get a maf read on Kikori and what he's saying about you makes sense.

Paidea, I don't feel Sparky is being scummy, no.

Would like to see Frank and Thr vote. Becoming suspicious of them because of it.

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Still a bunch of talk and no vote, Frank?

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As I said, I'm willing to vote Pyro at this moment... But I'm also willing to hear from him just a bit more before I make that vote. Putting 4 on Pyro would mean he's dead. Sparky *is* going to vote for him at some point.

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Kikori why aré you trying to convince someone who is scum-reading you? Just vote him so Frank or Thr can hammer.

Currently thinking it might be Spiro for second mafia.

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Why so impatient? And why should someone scum reading me be absolute evidence of their own guilt?
And unrelated to the game, what kind of keyboard do you have to have an accented 'e' in your "are"? I dunno any that get those without using alt-codes.

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To be honest, I've got nothing.

The main suspicion on me seems to stem from me voting for Aragorn after saying that there was a 70% chance that it wouldn't knock out one of our power roles and that it would get the ball rolling.

I probably just made the mistake of making myself an easy Day 2 lynch target like I always do.

I just hate that if I go, and there's no save during the night, then a mislynch the next day could mean a definite loss. At this point, I don't even think it's Sparky anymore. I'm leaning more towards Kikori. You're right that it WAS Kikori that truly started the lynch train on Sparky even before a vote was cast. Now he pushes on me harder and harder as more votes come my way and less votes go Sparky's way. It's like he's found a target that he feels confident he can take out while at the same time having a good alibi for a jump on Sparky the next day.

I'm going to unvote Sparky and vote kikori. I may have been dead tired when I made my first suspicion of him, but maybe the truth is that I was just overthinking things after I had rested.

I'm honestly feeling like Sparky may just be more of an idiot than he is mafia.

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If you do decide to lynch me, I want to voice these things now:

Frank screams innocent to me. I just feel it.

Sparky may be suspicious, but he could just be dumb. He's worth a look, but probably not until another mafia dies first.

Paidea brings too much attention to himself deliberately for me to think he's mafia. Hell, he seems to be trying to get all the information he can during the day phase so I don't think he even has a night role to begin with.

Kikori is my largest pick for Mafia.

Aragon still warrants suspicion. There was no split vote at the time. He was near a lynch as the only target and survived. To me that means the mafia were keeping him alive. Maybe that's because they didn't want the village to remove inactive players, or maybe it's because he's one of them. I'm honestly not sure now.

Thr needs to start talking.

Spiro not saying much is concerning me as well. This doesn't seem like him to not be more active here.

Something we also need to consider about Tops death is that he may have been killed not only to remove an active player, but in order to frame the people he was suspicious of to begin with.

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Another thing that concerns me about Kikori is that while he says we've had plenty of votes and activity this day, vast majority of that comes from after 07:40.

The day is set to end around 07:50 tomorrow. This is probably our last few hours where we can actually get anything done.

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Internet's back sooner than expected.

I really really don't like that Pyro basically said what I did, merely in twice as many words, in his first post after mine.

Frank, why does Sparky's vote on Kik tip the scales in favor of Pyro being mafia for you?

I'm not moving my vote yet - Sparky's not helped himself - but I'm seeing good reasons form, and I too will pile on it they substantiate.