Yeah, I honestly wasn't expecting all that controversy day 1. Pretty late so I'll give my opinion on that lynch train when I wake up. On another note, Keymaster is like a weird bullet proof then?

Oh never mind closer to a friendlier jailor.

Alright, I don't want the election to slow us down too much. So, I'm just going to ramble a bit and see what comes to mind.

Top's death doesn't really... provide much information. We're essentially back at Day 1 except with one less person.

Top was for the Aragorn lynch, and suspected Sparky. He thought some people were grasping at straws on the Aragorn lynch train, but he was also on it himself and seemed like he was leaning more that Aragorn might really be mafia, and that Sparky may have really been trying to protect him as a fellow mafia.

I don't think the mafia would be foolish enough to lynch someone right off that bat that was openly suspicious of them, but at the same time it seems odd that they would kill someone that was part of the Aragorn lynch train. They could have tried to drill Aragorn today with by just repushing it.

Then again, Aragorn's time difference does make him somewhat inactive when everyone else is. Aragorn makes it hard for the village to get a lynch and they could be trying to use that to their advantage.

Part of me wants to vote Aragorn again, but that was a split vote yesterday.

Frank also backed out of the lynch and Kikori was willing to do the lynch but didn't want to just jump onto a train.

Then we have the conflict between Kikori and Paidea.

As it stands, we've lost a very active player. I'm still for taking care of inactive players, but that doesn't seem like a big concern with how active Day 1 became. The main concern is making sure the town isn't as divided as the USA is right now.

I'll post more when my heads not spinning anymore. That might not be until tomorrow, but once I've gotten some decent sleep and can look everything over with a clear head I think I'll be able to narrow down some of the suspicions that were thrown around and see how I feel about things.

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Just to make sure it's put in the open.

A very strong player with good gut feelings on others gave us four names to consider in the future, should attention swing to any of the four. It's debatable if Aragorn should still remain on the list, given the quoted bit was made before Aragorn's rebuttal, with no posts from Top after. Sparky's placement is undeniable.

Pyro's post concerns me for one reason. Compared to his previous attempts to get a ball rolling, this one seems much more... fluff. Like it's worded to simply state possibilities instead of actually point a finger. Not wanting to vote for someone because the lynch may not happen, wanting to play it safe and avoid any division in the town? These have been and are necessary steps to getting things done, that Pyro's embraced all too well before. I doubt fatigue alone could cause this kind of shift in stance.

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So first off, to address Top's death. Village probably just punched in the gut. Considering the size of the game I would assume there's only like 2-3 village roles, and since this is a "vanilla twist" I'm guessing the Keymaster was our protection role.

Second, I cant tell if the Aragorn Lynch train was serious or just everyone being bloodthirsty for a D1 lynch. I assume it was to just draw up some controversy, but without the lynch it doesn't give us a whole lot. Paidea seems to be a fire starter, but that can be good and bad. Honestly I thought I could of made a bit more of an in-depth post, but I don't have a read on anyone yet. I do think we should try and lynch each day. That hasn't been happening lately, and it doesn't seem to be good for town.

Apparently the sky is not falling... Yet.

OK, let's get down to some business. Kind of disappointed that the day has been for near 24 hours and nothing is really going on here. I understand but it's a bit disheartening seeing this when day 1 was surprisingly active and not entirely useless. Still time friends.



I think you really have your read backwards here. Of the three votes I can speculate the nature on I felt Siggy's was the one made in good faith. I understand the intention of Siggy's vote, though I may not agree with it. The intent was straightforward: he wanted a day one lynch. Pyro and Paidea's votes, however, aren't as clear. Paidea seems to have taken a comment that I found innocuous to be quite incriminating. He was trying to specifically kill you not just get a day one lynch. As for Pyro's vote, it sort of just speaks for itself... He condemns the train but gets on it. He uses probability to conclude the odds are not in favor of action but he opts to do it anyways. His post is one great conflict with himself.

The intent behind Pyro's vote is very unclear for me. And Paidea's intent was self-serving. Now I don't know exactly what to conclude from either of these revelations... It's no secret Paidea plays in such a manner he lives on the cusp of being lynched and mafia killed. It's his gambit. I don't think you can conclude much from that.

However, I think there might be something from Pyro we can consider here. I offer this information to you all so you can affirm my feelings or just tell me I'm crazy. A history of Pyro games has left me feeling the same way as you categorized him Aragorn. He does things that are just sometimes odd. However, Pyro has a real knack in getting people to follow a particular narrative in a game. There is just something about what he says or does that gets people to want to follow what story he is telling. Whether that story is good or bad is part of the game itself. Paidea's intent on voting for Aragorn was flatly in bad faith and I have my doubts that Pyro's intent was in good faith. Thus, I believe we should be very skeptical of Pyro this game. (FoS Pyro)

Don't misunderstand this all to mean I believe Siggy to be town. I have no such read. I just believe that of the three votes I can still speculate on I feel that Siggy's vote was the most "town-friendly" in itself.

Moving on...

Yesterday was interesting. It was probably the most useful/eventful opening day in the history of RuneVillage/PoorShark Mafia. A lot of information got thrown out there. A lot of information was squeezed out of people. The thing, however, I find most odd about yesterday is how unbalanced the information was. In particular, I find it very odd in a day where so much information was being drawn out or voluntarily given Spiro got away with saying virtually nothing. He's certainly on the talkative scale of things so it's quiet odd for him to just not partake... at all. Other people picked up on this and mentioned as such. It does give me some speculation of the alignment of Spiro.


I get why you did what you did. I'm just not really interested in playing into that. The relevant questions you asked I feel I've given a sufficient reply to. The other questions are irrelevant, distracting, or self-serving. Nothing about answering them (in my mind) advances the town forward. You grill me over my vote. The mafia might believe that I am thus willing to dispose of you making you less apt to be a target. It works great if you and I are both town and you're able to use this extra time existing to scum hunt. It works if you're mafia because the town will still likely to be lynch-adverse when it comes to you. Better if you get under Sparky or my skin and faction off the town.

I am not interested in playing that game.

I believe Sparky's willingness to fight with Paidea is a cause for concern. I also believe Paidea's incessant need to pick fights with everyone is concerning. (After all he's up to three... maybe four with Top.) I find myself agreeing with Siggy's analysis of this game so far and I think there is more to Aragorn that he is letting on. I will agree with Aragorn that he's a more active player than he is getting credit for, however, there are things about his response that I do not like. Thr was another player that kind of fell off the radar yesterday. I'm encouraged to see him post and make his presence more felt.

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I already told you, I'm waiting until I'm not just droning through the day before making a decision.

You should know by now that I'm a big day 2 talker.

If anything, I feel like you're just trying to take an easy shot at me while I'm off my game in order to take out another active player.

I'll way in more tomorrow once I've woken up.

But if you really want a vote from me so badly then I guess Kikori for rushing an active player the moment someone makes an actual post.

Hell, your entire delay Day 1 could have easily been so you had an excuse for being the solid vote on Aragorn or so you could shift to anyone else without looking like you were just flipflopping for a lynch.

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Let's see if I have your rebuttal right.
- Day two is your starting line despite the game going into full swing halfway through Day one. A delay in your activity is good? Keep this in mind, folks.
- You think taking a shot at you is anything easy in a game where everyone seems to be defining their choices by peoples' activity. Putting words and intentions in my mouth.
- You bring up the idea that I intentionally waited to post on the Aragorn train... I "delayed", right? Funny how hypocrisy works.


Yet twice in a day you want to say "I'm tired, I'll wait 'til tomorrow to really get going". Y'know, while posting today. While you're able.

Sorry, I'm just seeing you contradict yourself.

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I think we need to see if this kill was out of fear or if it's a feint. I know when I'm killed early it's because I'm either very right or very wrong, and I trust top's instincts and reputation enough to start with the 'out of fear' reason. I'm still unhappy with the fact Aragorn defended against a non-attack, but Sparky seems more suspect to me for reasons as yet unresolved and ignored as a result of Top's kill, which shouldn't be an excuse.

Meh. You can say what you want, Frank, but I'd rather see you be about it, not just talk about it. If you find me or anyone else suspicious, than vote for me or them. I wasn't for the Day One Aragorn lynch, plain and simple. I don't think a Day One lynch benefits the town. I didn't really have any input other than what I said on Day One. You can find that suspicious, I suppose. Top wanted more from me, too, and he's dead now, so I'd guess I'd be even more suspicious, eh?

A Day Two lynch I can get behind. I agree with Kikori, and continue my Day One train of thought. Pyro is acting suspicious in my eyes, so that's where my vote goes. Suspicious for reasons Kik has stated, and because I think something is a bit....off or different with Pyro. It's not much more than a gutshot right now, because I don't have much info to work with at the moment.

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@Pyro, do you believe a mafioso lynch or a villager lynch causes more of a split voting bloc? If Kikori isn't mafia who would you be voting right now?

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@Kikori, you said that Top had good gut feelings - you commented on Aragorn and Sparky; are you saying you have a town-read on Frank also? I feel that people aren't paying enough attention to his jumping on and off the Aragorn wagon, although I could be paranoid.

I agree that his initial post was very "fluffy."

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@Thr, how can you claim that the Town should lynch every day and not vote anyone or offer any conclusion of suspicion, no matter how small?

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@Frank, wow you really redeemed yourself with that last post. I have you as leaning town now. I am not saying why for meta reasons but my read of you flipped 180•.

To defend myself slightly so you don't misrepresent my intent, I initially went after Aragorn (as the second voter, recall) to strum up some action in this game. It worked, and when Aragorn did not defend himself for some time, I was ok with leaving my vote. I did not have time to reply to Aragorn's defense at end-of-Day but for what it's worth (@Aragorn) I find it mildly acceptable.

Secondly the only "fight" if you wanted to call it that is with Kikori and mostly a matter of clashing play styles. I am not "fighting" you or Sparky by simply asking questions. Aragorn and I have not had an actual exchange of words so nothing there. And Tops?? We mutually town-read each other so not sure what you're trying to insinuate there.

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@Spiro, I respect your Pyro vote because it follows a natural train of thought, but it's also a very easy continuation to make and makes me feel uneasy like Frank. What do you think about the suspicion on Sparky?

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I stand by my previous list of what I felt about everyone I commented on. Frank struck, and still strikes, me as a person who could be using the Mafia's advantage of "I know who's innocent, so I know I can play a very legit and believable defense", but hasn't made a real logical error that pins him in my head to match that gut feeling. I'm sure you're feeling, or can understand a similar point of view given your recent flip on your read of Frank.

Where our clash is concerned, I had my fun with you, Paidea. Miiight have some more later, but I don't think we'll need to go at it again.

Also, what's EBWOP?

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EBWOP- Edit By Way Of Post (since editing is forbidden).

I think Pyro may be third-party based on how he's acting and gut feelings.

I doubt there will be much more time to have fun since I have a strong feeling either you or I will be killed tonight.

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My previous posts weren't entirely rational. I had 2 hours of sleep and just came off a 12 hour work day. I'm not going to suddenly jump on someone's case on a whim. However, even now I have suspicions of Kikori. I didn't say that Day 2 was my starting point. I said that I'm an active Day 2 player. You don't have to worry about me trying to gove an excuse to slow down, but at the same time I find it interesting that in a game where the mafia cut down one of the most active players, you would immediately charge at another active.

Paidea, I'm not entirely sure what you were asking in all honestly. But I think I might. I think lynching players that have people defending them early in are worth a look. If I was to have voted someone while at my full right off the bat, I would have voted for Aragorn. This is based on the way the lynch on him went yesterday. I feel a link between Aragorn and Sparky with a slight link to Kikori.

Something I hadn't considered right away is that with a 10 person game, I wouldn't be surprised if we had three mafia instead of two. With that, I wouldn't be shocked if we had as many as 4 power roles in the village. One of which is gone.

So we're looking at 3 normies, 3 power, 3 mafia in play. We have a 33% chance at hitting either, with a 66% chance of missing our power roles. That's favorable odds still for making jabs, but we really need to be cautious Day 3.

I'm going to support Sparky because I do want get either Aragorn and Sparky and check my suspicions on both of them.

I'm also good on going after Aragorn, in fact he's my preference. I just don't want to split the vote and end up with yet another game where the village suffers because the mafia got to pick people off until it was near impossible to lynch without them.

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I just did some more number work, and despite being a 10 player game we NEED to get a mafia kill today or tomorrow of there are 3 mafia.

We really need to narrow this down.

Frank's vote pull makes me think he's a villager legitimately concerned for the town.

Paidea is pushing far too hard and drawing far too much attention to himself for me to think he's mafia.

These are the only players that I think we can all agree on as villager right now.

This leaves Pyro3000, Spirographed, Aragorn, Sighence, Sparky, Thr, and Kikori as possible mafia.

Obviously, I don't suspect myself. We should look at players that might have possible ties to each other.

When Day 3 hits, if we don't have a doctor save it will be 7 players with what is likely 3 mafia. Which means come Day 3 we could be in a very dire situation. We need to keep this in mind.

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I hope I don't get lynched before I get home from work, but if I do, my votes on Kikori

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So I planned on being more active then the US elections happened and I screwed my body clock watching them and then a family emergency happened and so I suck and yeah...

So Sparky doesn't see any validity in the argument that I'm mafia so you decide to vote for him even without me being confirmed either way. That's some seriously faulty logic, Pyro.

@Sig, the defence to the joke post was itself a joke...how are you seriously not getting that?

I'm fairly sure Pyro is mafia at this point. Not sure on anyone else, FOS still on Frank for his flipflop.

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Aragorn, my logic is simply that I'm splitting everyone into factions as much as possible.

Right now I have Aragorn and Sparky linked in my mind. I'm also suspecting Kikori as a possibility with this faction, but I'm not solid on that. Kikori wanting a day 1 lynch, but then being part of the reason there wasn't one sets a lot of red flags for me. However, I'm not the most conventional player either.

People that voted Aragorn - Topsummoner, Paidea, Sighence, Frank, Pyro3000 with a concerned unvote from Frank. Kikori was supposedly going to seal the lynch on this had Frank not pulled out.

People that voted Pyro: Aragorn, Spiro (Aragon's vote was just a joke)

Then of course Sparky voted Paidea.

A lot of my thought is that the mafia either voted for Aragorn and simply failed to lynch, or didn't vote for Aragorn at all in order to keep him alive.

I am absolutely more suspicious of Aragorn than anything, but Sparky jumping to his defense makes me think that they're both together. This is why I want to see us lynch one of them. I want to narrow things down.

Topsummoner is dead. That could have easily been a double play. What better way to hurt the village than to take out an active player as well as an active player that started to vote against on of their own? It helps keep Aragon alive the next day (and it seems to be working).

Another concern of mine is Thr. He's slipping under the radar right now, but that could mean anything. As it stands he's an inactive player and a problem for the village. My initial suggestion was to purge the inactive players, and as such I would be okay with removing Thr before things get dangerous for us. At the same time, I'm inclined to believe that he's probably just an inactive villager. I'd prefer to take out one of the people that I believe is mafia.

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Also, I should elaborate on "concerned unvote from Frank".

I'm not saying his unvote was a concern. His unvote seems sincere. His unvote was because he was concerned. I'm not trying to put any suspicion on him at all.

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