Top, THR, frank, and aragorn all have votes.
We need to focus our efforts and put the heat on one and get them to talk.

I'm going to re-read the topic, and i'll post again after work. But for now, i'm going to hold off on voting so it doesn't continue to spread the votes.

My initial thoughts though, are that Lander is clear. The way he's talking strikes me as village. I don't believe him to be the godfather, as someone mentioned.

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Damnit Lander got to voting for aragorn for the summation post before I could. As for being questioned for being the first to call Pyro out on his honest, if wholly misguided, shenanigans, I'll refer you back to that post; he was giving out info that normal detectives don't get and asking for her protection - useless and wasteful when the doctor was still in play.

Now onto something that I'm shocked has been ignored: Zilla, who did you attack? It doesn't clear them but we should know who it is you and Kik disagreed on.

(oh and also jack that was a saved nightkill i shouldn't have to be asking for this info)

Quick point I forgot to touch on: Top, I didn't post after Pyro outed Zilla. I saw her denial. I didn't see her refutation until after the day was closed - and I'd have had under an hour to save Pyro with any proper justification, same as any of us.

Huh? There was no disagreement. Clearly, Kik would have had to protect me since Pyro so graciously outed me, yes? I'm not making sense of your question, sorry. I was roleblocked. The person wasn't saved, I was blocked from killing anyone.

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But yeah, this probably should have been put in the narrative. I agree with Lander that this game is a little jacked up.

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That works. Your first post made it sound like you tried but someone blocked it at the target end, not yours, if only because that's what would happen in a "vanilla Mafia game". I dunno about revealing that on Jack's end, then; nobody was hurt or unhurt.

I don't have a problem with Aragorn's defense. It makes sense to me. I didn't jump on the train for the same reason. No evidence. I will admit and agree that Pyro played terribly, but that's exactly what it looked like to me....not a mafia member. We need to remember that he was telling the truth, and start looking at people who were voting for him.

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Care to let Aragorn actually make a defense before believing it, Spiro?

The defense Spiro was referring to was probably to this response Aragorn made to my comment on him:





There's no reason for a roleblock to be put in the narrative; consider what would happen should you have been roleblocked before your role was even common knowledge; would Jack just roleclaim for you AND clear you in the flavor text? Doesn't work that way. I am surprised that the roleblock only stopped one of your abilities though. Jacked up indeed. Perhaps the time for arguing role semantics has passed, though I'm likely the most at fault for it being so prominent in this game.

I'm not so sure I really suspect Aragorn yet myself, I was merely listing all the possibilities of who I thought COULD be mafia should I have been quickly lynched. That doesn't seem to be a danger anymore so I hope he responds to his criticism soon lest we squander our time.



Though we know now this wasn't the case, you're far too quick to dismiss the possibility. Is it not possible the mafia may have false claimed in order to stir confusion and draw the real detective out of hiding? Pyro wasn't counterclaimed, but there was still the possibility of the 'real' detective being Koolman or Muffin. This play was precisely what I thought he was after yesterday when I believed him mafia. But of course, if you're mafia you'd know for sure he wasn't one, making it rather easy to dismiss, no?

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OK!‎
We've still got just under a day left. We can make something of this day!
A near-lynch today or an actual lynch would get us more data to work with. But a not-even-close-to-a-lynch is not something I want to end the day off with.‎
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With yesterdays pyro lynch, I am finding it tough to seriously fault anyone for voting for him. But I think my view is affected by how long I took to come up with my own conclusion and get a read on pyro.
Because of this, I need more data.
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aragorn. I'd like to add my vote to landers and sigs, to add more weight to their thoughts. Of which, aragorn still hasn't replied.
We can't allow people to continue to hide after making just one post. Because at that rate we'd be getting a dozen posts per day phase. And that simply won't cut it.‎
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What do you guys think?‎
(in the very least I want to generate as much conversation as possible!! The more talking, the more we can work off of, and the more likely mafia are to slip up)

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I'll add a vote for Aragorn if only to try to get things rolling. I really don't have a good feeling either way yet if he is mafia or not.

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I also think we need to consider Muffin. He's been silent and Jack has not killed him off yet, which makes me think he is active. I'm not sure why he is hiding if he is a villager. We haven't had evidence of any other villager roles out there that he may be trying not to attract attention to.

Just my thoughts.

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The people who I think are mafia, and who also were singled out by dead villagers as possible mafia, seem to be voting for Aragorn, or trying to get inactives (and I doubt we would have inactive mafia) voted out. What can any of the remaining villagers gain by following suit?

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Sorry I've had a busy day. Sig, I hardly think what I posted was a summation, but since when is that scummy anyway? On top of that you didn't even read my defence or decided to just ignore it for whatever reason. After reading it now, what is wrong with my position? I wasn't going to vote for a claimed detective who I thought was probably a villager (with a strange strategy) anyway.

@market - Firstly you've posted about the same amount as me... Secondly, you went after a lynch of an inactive whom had no prior votes instead of taking a position on the issue. That seems to me to be more scummy than anything I did. If I'm mafia on the shaky reasoning that I didn't vote for a claimed detective to avoid suspicion or accusations of hammering then surely both you and Spiro must be too. Top's hammer argument doesn't even make sense to me anyway because it really didn't look like Pyro was going to get hammered until he stupidly decided to do it himself.

Personally I think Top and Sig are mafia, with Market being another possibility. Seeing as Top is the most viable lynch I'm going to vote for him.

I feel like if Koolman was mafia he'd have been replaced/killed by now anyway, whereas Muffin has at least posted once. That said, if Muffin is mafia then it's ridiculous.



If you believe lynching is the best source of data then you can gain the knowledge of my innocence in a lynch and reduce the likely suspects. Obviously that's a flawed plan if you only lynch villagers as we have so far and will continue to do so if I get a majority of votes.

How's that for a summation post, Sig?

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I really think we need to get back to the mafia fundamentals contained in this quote.
Sig, Top and Frank are the best place to place a vote, at this point. I'll switch my vote to Top, if need be, but I get a scummy feel from Frank over all for reasons previously stated. I also suspect Market because:


I legitimately do not see the sense in the lynch-Aragorn idea. Zilla, you're confirmed JOAT. Like Lander said, be aware of the weight of your vote. A vote to feel productive and like a part of the team seems a little misguided. It very well may be the wrong team.

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I agree with this, too. How does it benefit the Village to vote for Aragorn (over an unconfirmed someone that voted for Pyro) or an inactive?

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I'm not trying to be part of a team. It got people talking so that's something. I can always change a vote. However, us sitting here all voting for different people accomplishes nothing. Its a guaranteed way to get outnumbered quickly. With a lynch, we at least have a chance to strike back. A risk, yes, especially since I will probably be very dead soon but all the more reason to at least try.

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Hah! It worked I feel like my vote can summon anyone ‎
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Aragorn: "@market - Firstly you've posted about the same amount as me..."‎
If that bothers people, then i'm sure they will voice their opinion. Also, since that job is done I will continue to post more, in an effort to boost discussion.‎

Aragorn: "Secondly, you went after a lynch of an inactive whom had no prior votes instead of taking a position on the issue. That seems to me to be more scummy than anything I did."‎
I don't believe its scummy to force people to pipe up and contribute to the game. It worked on you. Now we see a more clear side of you and how you act under pressure.‎
Also, keep in mind, I didn't vote for pyro because 
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Spiro: "How does it benefit the Village to vote for Aragorn or an inactive?"
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Voting for inactives will prod them to become active! Then we can guage them on their performance.
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I acutally believe muffin is mafia, and has decided to remain quiet to prevent himself from screwing up.
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I believe the same applies to koolman. But I believe it to a slightly lesser extent, since there is a chance he simply has ignored the game entirely.‎

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Also, keep in mind, I didn't vote for pyro because I believed him to be a villager!
I took a stance, and voiced my opinion. And I also provided an alternative.
And I still believe that alternative to be guilty! He hasn't bothered to speak up and prove otherwise

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C'mon now market, lynching people Jack will modkill if needed is a dangerous waste of time.

Aragorn, if you think summation posts aren't scummy, Ive not a lot else to say to you. Also, a defense is a) posted after an attack, and b) in response to the accusation. Your post was neither, and your most recent seems to assume that I'm attacking your failure to vote for Pyro - an attack I did not make. Try again please.