Oh, wow. What fun.

So, here's what we have: Someone soft (?) claiming detective, then moved on to fully claim detective later on. I would believe this claim, but the one thing that people are forgetting to mention is Zilla voted for Pyro.

IF ZILLA IS THE JOAT UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD SHE HAVE DONE SO. In my opinion.

It's also possible, as someone referenced, that Pyro could be a stalker. His MO could be to keep our suspicion off him and sew chaos amongst the town all the while drawing Zilla out of hiding, forcing her to self protect or the doctor to protect her and then they get their free kill theoretically every night.

What kind of nincompoop claims detective on Day Two unless they get a mafia reading. And even then, I wouldn't claim day two. And then goes even further to out the JoaT to save their own skin.

Know that I am not voting for you only out of principle. The real possibility of him being a detective makes it too dangerous to lynch him at this point.

And so, the coming days or perhaps this entire game will revolve around this claim and the ripple effects from it. What fun.

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To the point of the quote, I'm torn on suspicion of Monk. One, I don't think a mafioso would have the nards to be the first person on a lynch train against a claimed detective.

Then again, Monk is a veteran player and could have easily started said lynch train. But for now I am leaning towards his innocence.

Also, Sparky, note that as a confirmed townie your vote weighs more heavily than anyone else's. Use it wisely.

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Pyro, explain why you claimed in the first place. Why would you think your claim would benefit the town, especially since the info is about a JOAT, which doesn't help the town much. Sure it's information, and this is an informed minority vs. an uninformed majority, and any information might help the town in the long run, but further and *invaluable* information could have come from a detective, read: You.

Why claim?

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Because the game didn't look like it was going anywhere, I wanted to see who would immediately lunge at a detective claim without worrying about possible consequences, and I had found a JOAT (and didn't realize they could only use their actions once a day) and according to the Day 2 post we had a doctor as well so I figured if I claimed I could get protected by one of them every night.

Honestly, I don't know why people are so freaked out over the claim when we know we have a doctor, and I didn't see any harm in saying we HAVE a JOAT since it wouldn't immediately make someone a target.

Yet, my vote count went far higher than expected when both Sparky and Zilla turned on me, so I felt forced to actually state who the JOAT is in order to validate my claim. It isn't something I wanted to do. At the same time, I'm glad I did.

Even if I die today, everyone knows that Zilla and Sparky are innocent. Heaviest suspicion will be on the people that jabbed at the detective vs the people that calmly thought about it and questioned if it was right to vote against me.

What I didn't expect was all of this "well based on this person's previous games", "this one time I played", and "other people would never do this" talk in a game full of people that have been away for a long time. I would have kept quiet and maybe read some of the mafia games from the past couple of years had I known this game would involve data from previous games.

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No.

It appears to me you are possibly mafia and guessing, trying to draw out the JOAT so the mafia knows who he is and can kill him or force the doctor (if there is one) to save me so you and them can kill someone else, guaranteed. And/or you are some role other than detective but lying about being the detective.

I don't know about how anyone has played other mafia games and since this isn't a meta game, those things shouldn't be a factor anyway.

It really just doesn't make sense for you to claim this role, with this special ability, and out a JOAT any other way. Nor does it make sense for Jackstick to change the rules after stating this is a "vanilla" game. None of this would help the villagers.

As of now, my vote stands.

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It's clear that the rules the players here think the game is following and the rules that this game actually is following are different. Jack can't acknowledge this without revealing that I'm the detective and therein revealing that Zilla is the Jack of all Trades. I had hoped that by revealing Zilla I could recover this game from the situation, but that's clearly not going to happen.

I was hoping Zilla would admit her role instead of thinking I had successfully made the 7% chance guess that someone was a role that isn't even guaranteed to be in the game to begin with.

A shame. This game was doomed before it even began.

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So I plan to make a more in-depth post in a bit but just to clarify, there's most likely not a jester right?

Jester has to get lynched day 1. This is day 2. Even if there was a Jester, they're just an oddly dressed villager now.

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So before I begin, let this be my reason for not voting Pyro3000 just yet. I think I may know what angle he's working and im going to give it a day or two. (I wont say more than this as to not interrupt anything)





Now, onto my vote and why. Topsummoner




I feel like this vote was set to test the waters. It's easily brushed off if mentioned because it could be considered a "filler vote" until something else occurs.




After Pyro's detective claim and Sighence's vote, Top immediately jumps on board and pushes hard. He does this without waiting on others analysis's and feedback to start this bandwagon. If you ask me, this is very mafia like. Just sitting back and watching the snowball effect.

On another note assuming there's 3-4 mafia I'm guessing there's going to be at-least one lurker. We need to be careful of that so there's no last minute surprises.

What.....what is it that you're talking about?

Now, you have to be lynched out of principle. Ragequitters gonna ragequit. At the beginning of D2, apparently.

Pyro3000

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With that kind of post there may be hope yet.

Sparky, Zilla, Aragorn, and THR all strike me as villagers.

Two because of obvious reasons, and aragorn and THR for trying to play it safe.

I'm neutral on Lander, but he doesn't seem suspicious with his posting style

I'm keeping my vote on myself, though. I want to see who else acts while I sit at 5.

And apparently lander posts when I try to. Your reasoning is solid, Lander, but to assume I'm rage quitting and not simply playing with numbers is a sign that you don't remember me very well.

Anyway, my goal was to see what happened at 5 votes. Now I'm at 6. Let's go back to 5 again.

unvote Pyro3000. revote Topsummoner

Not that I properly unvoted for him before, anyway.

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Uhhhh. I don't think I've ever played mafia with you before. Another thing, mr mad about metagaming, you just did it.

I'm telling you, if you're a townie, you're doing is more harm than good right now.

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I'm starting to believe that Pyro is not the detective but he may possibly be a villager fake-claiming detective to gather data.

Which really, is a stupidly brilliant plan.

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This is probably the only thing you've said that makes sense. I thought I was supposed to be the batshit insane one here.
Unfortunately, there is one mystery that hangs in the air that can't be answered yet in the flavor text. It was made loud and clear that there's a Detective and the Godfather is immune to their investigation efforts... but nothing else was confirmed. For all the back and forth about a Jack of All Trades and getting a read on the role rather than the faction, and the asinine timing of a roleclaim, there's a lot of questions floating around.
Problem, though. All the questions seem to be spreading our thoughts further and further from building up to a productive answer. And there's one answer (or, more accurately, correction) I'm shocked nobody's brought up yet that COULD have been pointed out quite easily between.

The hell are you smoking? Day one only?

Pyro3000, if anything about your claim of investigations is true, the fact that you're throwing "I think x is villager" willy nilly alongside it is a tremendous lack of concern for the people affected by you associating your thoughts with them. It's a strain on anyone with a role to have the WIFOM bouncing in their head that comes with "I see x say this about y, but what if it's a ploy?". You've placed opinions on many people, and forcibly inserted the idea of three unconfirmed roles into the game. At this point, every single thing about what you've brought up can only be answered by a lynch.

Also, Thr. Among what you pointed out about Topsummoner, I wouldn't worry about his vote against me. Both of us seem to have voted for each other for the same reason; to get a reaction.

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Not usually how it has worked in my experience but since the Jester winning hasn't ever ended the game in RV Mafia I'm pretty unworried about that possibility...



Well if you're going to vote for me, I would like you to go into more detail on this... you've not really said much of anything with this.



With 8 to lynch and little to go off of, it's not very beneficial to hold your vote close to your chest. Throwing around my vote was exactly what I was doing with voting for Kikori. It's all about applying pressure and sparking discussion; the vote is the best weapon a villager has got.

I've been pushing so hard for Pyro from the beginning because his plan hasn't made any bloody sense from the instant he opened his mouth. He claims detective just to out another power role, votes for me for literally nonsensical reasons, and keeps reiterating that I'm "expendable" and "the only other wise alternative" to lynching me is lynching an inactive. The confusion he has sown will also cause chaos in the night actions of our power roles too; who does the Doctor believe, and will they end up mistakenly wasting their protection on a liar? The best way to clear the smoke he's caused is to kill him. As I've pointed out before killing me won't clear up a damn thing, because he can just claim he was wrong in his hunches or whatever.

He's making an insane play no matter what he flips, but his play leads me to strongly believe he's mafia. On that note I suspect none of his cronies were informed of this strategy before he put it in play though; notice he didn't post at all during Day One and his first action in the game was to claim.

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After reading over the game:
Pyro, you're insane.
Your claim is BS.
However, I think that you are a vanilla villager who was attempting to stir up a conversation and a bit of evidence. Since I don't think you're mafia, I will not be voting for you.
For now, I will vote for Muffin. You can't just make one post and go hide in the shadows.
I would have voted for Koolman, but without even making one post, I doubt he's reading the game. So a vote for him wouldn't necessarily spark a change.

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The jester can be a day 1 lynch role or just a get yourself lynched whenecer role so that's neither here nor there really. But again, Jack said this was going to be relatively vanilla. Third party roles involved? I'm not buying it. Like lander said there is potential you're just fishing for evidence but this is a hell of a ploy, and seeing as Zilla doesn't even back your claim I'm 90% sure you're not the detective. I just don't see why a mafia would choose this as a tactic though so I'm inclined to believe you're a townie.

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I'm really up there in the votes now, but still no lynch.

There you have it.

Either I'm mafia and the people that haven't voted for me are with me with maybe one voting for me to gain credibility, or I'm not mafia and they have already voted for me and are now forced to rely on the villagers to get a lynch.

We already know Sparky is clean, and if I'm telling the truth then so is Zilla.

If I die tonight, or even today if the votes come my way don't waste this information. The mafia has most likely already voted for me.

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Alright.

I am, in fact, the Jack of All Trades.

I didn't want to admit it right away because I still believe Pyro is mafia and I was hoping we would lynch him without playing directly into their hands with whatever plan they have, but you guys still don't seem to see it. If he is mafia, then they already know who I am so it doesn't matter much at this point.

I believe he is a stalker or other similar role. As has been said already, the role of Detective cannot tell what role people are, only affiliation. I believe perhaps he screwed up here and didn't realize that when he fake role-claimed.

Also, look at his first post that mentions the JOAT. It is specifically gender neutral, unlike a lot of your posts that assume the roles are male. Also, his post that is in response to mine is clearly trying to send me the message that he knows I am the JOAT.

If he was the detective, what would it accomplish for us by him naming me? The mafia would know what I am, they would know what he was and they would force the Doctor to protect one of us. He is either a mafia or just a villager that is messing with everyone or playing badly.

If he is mafia, he could out me, force a protection, and possible save himself to investigate another villager and find their role.

I say we get the 2 more votes and lynch him now. At worst, we lose one villager (and one I believe has no role if he is a villager). At best, we kill a mafia stalker and I can still use my 3 abilities unless they kill me before I get to.

I know my flip flop makes me look suspicious now but I haven't played this in a long time and, like I said, I really didn't want to play right into their hands right away.

If you still think he is actually the detective then you are buying into a theory that suggests we are changing the rules around and I really don't think that is happening.

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P.S. Also, by being mafia, Pyro has now basically forced me to use my abilities quickly rather than to spread them out over the course of the game because I could be dead any night now.

Pyro3000

Still.

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