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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 7th, 2014, 9:11 pm 
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Sighence wrote:
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Typo.


See I want to believe that, but I can't, not that particular typo, and certainly not after a post on rereading one's posts. Combine that with the chaff you've been deploying intermittently, starting lynches on inactives, and telling - but not showing - us what you believe you see in others' posts. I'm not sold on you yet, but I'm getting there. Want me not to? Show us what you see Lander and/or Kik doing.


Or what we're not doing.

You guys have my apologies, I have been out of town for six days and away from a computer.


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The better question is why Lander isn't as aggressive as he normally is.

Still not done with Spirographed, but he's apparently a lost cause.


Firstly, what is this about? There's nearly nothing to go on, and granted, I am generally one of the people championing creating info. It doesn't help when the yin to my yang isn't really participating either, and it makes me question him. Jaron and blue aren't really wrong to question our activity levels, but at this point, it's absurd that these are the biggest storylines.

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This is far more worrisome. spirographed

I don't think I weighed in heavily on this before, but the mafia absolutely would not mute one of their own members, new or not. They would advise King, if he were mafia, to stay relatively silent if they were afraid of a rookie mistake. Muting is a stupid power, but it is running its course now.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 2:16 am 
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Mafia can advise a "hush-hush" play style all damned day, but what happens when questions are asked? They must be answered lest a mafioso seem like a mafioso avoiding questions. A muting is a sure silence. And let's not forget I was suspicious of him before the muting due to his answers to Kikori's vote-prod. I will admit the muting solidified my personal suspicion of 123 (it was just too convenient/coincidental), but was not the original suspicion itself.

Also: Voting for a typo? ...........?

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 7:20 am 
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Sighence wrote:
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Typo.


See I want to believe that, but I can't, not that particular typo, and certainly not after a post on rereading one's posts. Combine that with the chaff you've been deploying intermittently, starting lynches on inactives, and telling - but not showing - us what you believe you see in others' posts. I'm not sold on you yet, but I'm getting there. Want me not to? Show us what you see Lander and/or Kik doing.
All I want you to do is stay active.
[Rouge] Believe what you wanna believe.

Also, mini-trap sprung.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 9:04 am 
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Oh sure, the votes pile up right when I decide Spiro's a lost cause.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 12:33 pm 
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Two votes don't "pile up", Blue.
Also: Explain your obviously crafty condemning mini trap, Jaron. This aughta be good...
Also: Lander, look what you started. For shame. Why is it sooo unlikely that the mafia wouldn't mute their own? You're telling me you've never been in a game where this has happened? Lulz. Riiiight.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 12:40 pm 
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You understand that rallying your efforts to disprove lander is effectively convincing everyone that you are mafia...

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 1:20 pm 
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To disprove someone means they've proved something in the first place. What would you have me do? I've had a feeling about 123 being mafia from before the muting. That's the original point I was trying to make. We don't have anything to go on, really, so I'm not going to hop around with random votes. If 123 was killed, I'dda moved on to Phantom, most likely. You guys did feel she was the scummiest, though, and she turned out to be town. Which is another reason I'll stick with my vote. She was definately town, and was thinking along the same lines I was. Everyone else's thinking is suspect.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 1:22 pm 
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And do you not find it odd that 123 hasn't said much since the muting, Lander? The ol' "hush-hush" theory playing out, even now?

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PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 5:16 pm 
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It doesn't help when the yin to my yang isn't really participating either, and it makes me question him.


Does it help you to know I've had one of those little nagging feelings in my gut about you that only got worse with your logic against the attack on Spirograph? Would it help to know it happened twice in the same game, once intentionally and once unintentionally? Can you safely say no games before this, on the Legend's forum, or wiped from the 2009 (2009, right?) data loss that it never happened more than just this once? Or will you want to say "One time happening doesn't stop it from being an absurd play"?

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Spirographed, are you unfamiliar with the idea of two players in a game having Jekyll and Hyde relation? If I had to guess, the "Hyde" (hide) hint has been used... twice so far to try to convey this between one knowing and one un-knowing party?

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 5:21 pm 
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Would it help to know it happened twice in the same game, once intentionally and once unintentionally? Can you safely say no games before this, on the Legend's forum, or wiped from the 2009 (2009, right?) data loss that it never happened more than just this once? Or will you want to say "One time happening doesn't stop it from being an absurd play"?


Oooorrrr will the complete and lack of color coding and alignment confirmation mean the first and only ever use of a villager-aligned silencer will confuse me into thinking Muffin was part of the Mafia, prompting faulty logic in my argument? :facepalm:
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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 6:42 pm 
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As in...Jekyl and Hyde are roles, or town members would take it upon themselves to do that for some reason? The latter sounds too ridiculous to be true. Yes, I'm unfamiliar with the concept.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
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Also: Explain your obviously crafty condemning mini trap, Jaron. This aughta be good...
Haha, nope!
It's a combination of the usual: the first person to notice something, the first person to not notice something, the first person to make a predicted response, etc etc.

...I did also expect more knowledge of mafia games from you though, so that kinda skews it all pretty badly.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 9:59 pm 
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Not impossible. I'm just saying it's highly unlikely. It's a WIFOM situation, like most, but the risk is not worth the reward here.

To the point, I cannot recall a game where a mafioso was muted by one of his fellow brothers.

Can you reiterate what your suspicion for king was in the first place?

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PostPosted: January 8th, 2014, 10:35 pm 
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Do you mean the original suspicion that he suggested something normally impossible (which, if it were true, would mean he's in a position of knowing more than he lets on) combined with a lack of desire to elaborate? Or the reactions afterward that you pointed out as bothersome alongside unexplained reasons of your own that you never voted for him on anyway?

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day Five - Doctor! Doctor! I think I'm dead!
PostPosted: January 9th, 2014, 12:22 am 
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As in...Jekyl and Hyde are roles


This one. Sometimes both know, sometimes only one knows. Often times one is mafia, but sometimes neither are. I guess neither knowing is possible but it's not been done here. Jaron's obviously one of the pair. This next point is why my vote's staying on him:

In most games, when one dies, the other dies within a day.

This means there's a damn high probability Jaron is a mafia outright and/or is linked to one. A similar probability exists that he has non-standard win conditions, and a slightly smaller probability that his win is mutually exclusive to a village win.

I'll be the first to admit this isn't a sure thing, but I also claim that it's the strongest thing we have on any one person right now.


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PostPosted: January 9th, 2014, 12:25 am 
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PostPosted: January 9th, 2014, 5:37 am 
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And do you not find it odd that 123 hasn't said much since the muting, Lander? The ol' "hush-hush" theory playing out, even now?


It ight be because i was muted :?:

Either way, Spriro

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PostPosted: January 9th, 2014, 11:47 am 
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And do you not find it odd that 123 hasn't said much since the muting, Lander? The ol' "hush-hush" theory playing out, even now?


It ight be because i was muted :?:

Either way, Spriro

Lol @ entire post. You drunk?

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PostPosted: January 9th, 2014, 5:25 pm 
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I must say that I am interested in this Jaron storyline, and the 'typo' was obvious to me as well. Apparently, watching and waiting for further development was not on Monk's radar.

At any rate, I am somewhat alarmed that Monk is willing to see the death of someone who (potentially) has doctor powers. Then again, I find it somewhat unlikely that Doc would put two such protecting roles in one game. But this is all just speculation. He could have tweaked the role to work like lovers and/or siblings with no night action.

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And do you not find it odd that 123 hasn't said much since the muting, Lander? The ol' "hush-hush" theory playing out, even now?


It ight be because i was muted :?:

Either way, Spriro


I like this guy's style.

But seriously, you're not *really* helping your case. Also, kikori, it might be nice to let the person to whom I ask the question actually respond. Isn't that how things get done in mafia?

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PostPosted: January 9th, 2014, 5:43 pm 
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Also, kikori, it might be nice to let the person to whom I ask the question actually respond. Isn't that how things get done in mafia?


You do remember just who you're asking that specific question to, right? :ura:
So has he or has he not responded adequately to your original curiosities against him?

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