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 Post subject: Re: Deductive Reasoning Mafia - Mafia (+ defeat) win
PostPosted: September 5th, 2013, 10:37 pm 
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hahah fun game.
to bad I was unable to think of a way to argue my way out of how many people were turning their votes to me.

I actually laughed out loud when I read that my targets N3 were 1 off of being an identical match to jacks :P

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 Post subject: Re: Deductive Reasoning Mafia - Mafia (+ defeat) win
PostPosted: September 5th, 2013, 10:41 pm 
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I made a pretty big slip-up on Day Two besides the whole Jester incident.

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Bummer we weren't told what Sighence's role did. Knowing his role name alone won't help us determine what was significant about his actions, meaning the same applies for all future deaths."


This was pretty much "HELLO I AM NOT A MAGIC PEN HOLDER", which is a pretty big deal when it turned out later that there was a LOT of those. Luckily nobody caught it so I never had to make up a story to explain it.

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 Post subject: Re: Deductive Reasoning Mafia - Mafia (+ defeat) win
PostPosted: September 5th, 2013, 10:42 pm 
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One thing that confused me was I swear in one of Market Man's posts on page 5, he claimed that his actual target was changed. With that being said, I thought that Penguin Guy perhaps had a huge powerful role that would change the real target (rather than the decoy), which could've ended up with Mafiosos killing themselves.

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"HOWEVER, I chose to target apple last night. So something happened to shift my target to either aragorn, or me.

The effect of the extender on me was to add henry to my list, as I had chosen my 6 people to be: target apple, list aragorn, rex, jack, sparky, tennis."
This was actually (to my knowledge) the only mistake I made all game. I was completely flabbergasted and embarrassed when Market posted that, but I couldn't edit the lists because it would confirm Market's role. Combined with that, the change didn't really do anything of substance, so I just silently let it slide. I don't really know how it happened, but I think it had something to do with Applequest and Aragorn both being on each other's lists that night, and also being right after each other in alphabetical order, so I somehow just added a name to the wrong list six lines down in my notepad file. My bad guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Deductive Reasoning Mafia - Mafia (+ defeat) win
PostPosted: September 5th, 2013, 10:46 pm 
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hahaha that's ok.

and wow. top was the only mafia not to vote for me.

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PostPosted: September 5th, 2013, 10:59 pm 
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See, I told you guys I was innocent. :awesome:

I'm surprised I survived for as long as I did. If I were you guys I would have lynched me on Day 3.

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PostPosted: September 5th, 2013, 11:55 pm 
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Damn. Excuse me while I eat my own hat.

Mafia, you played well. Good job pitting Market and Jack against each other, you made the town do your dirty work! I was completely convinced that Rory and Topsummoner were both town.

I think what the town needed was less meta-gaming and more logic deduction and scum hunting, but hindsight 20/20. Good game all.

Now back to eating my own hat...

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PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 1:01 am 
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Sorry for being laughably terrible at the detective role, guys. I investigated Penguin and Ex nights 1 and 2. Investigated Godders night 3 but was killed that same night. I was planning to reveal my role and gathered information on day 4 anyway, but obviously took it a day too far.

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 Post subject: Re: Deductive Reasoning Mafia - Mafia (+ defeat) win
PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 5:42 am 
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Told you Godders wasn't a Nurse. Trust me, I'm a Doctor ;)

Tennis Ace was pretty obvious too.
Apologies to Market, just couldn't see the Extender as a town role... and wasn't paying attention at all to see my list changed (as I was just naming random decoys so didn't really care).

Rory slipped under the radar. Didn't do anything to gain my attention. Top was high on my list for muter, until the whole 'mafia role shift' threw me.

Interesting game. Disappointed in each and every one of you who lynched Defeat.

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PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 6:05 am 
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Told you Godders wasn't a Nurse. Trust me, I'm a Doctor ;)

Tennis Ace was pretty obvious too.
Apologies to Market, just couldn't see the Extender as a town role... and wasn't paying attention at all to see my list changed (as I was just naming random decoys so didn't really care).

Rory slipped under the radar. Didn't do anything to gain my attention. Top was high on my list for muter, until the whole 'mafia role shift' threw me.

Interesting game. Disappointed in each and every one of you who lynched Defeat.


I have no idea how i wasn't lynched after that roleclaim, like no one in the mafia understood how i got away with it.

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PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 6:25 am 
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I think when we killed Aragorn then Penguin in that order, it was based purely on luck. Although, we had every role figured out except for Ex Rex and Penguin, so we just figured, kill one and figure out the other.

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PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 7:13 am 
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I think when we killed Aragorn then Penguin in that order, it was based purely on luck. Although, we had every role figured out except for Ex Rex and Penguin, so we just figured, kill one and figure out the other.


Not luck, skill.

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 Post subject: Re: Deductive Reasoning Mafia - Mafia (+ defeat) win
PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 7:21 am 
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Basically, I went after the muted guy so I seemed totally scummy. I figured if he was mafia, the mafia would jump on the train to lynch me without stopping to think about the jester situation. If Henry died at some point and was a villager, Id be lynched the next day and the mafia would have no reason to nightkill me.
You guys totally ate that soft claim up. I thought about not doing it, but the numbers were with me as far as my decoy list went so I went for it.
The only thing that I was worried about was Dr. Henry being mafia and people actually coming tto believe my repetitive claims that the mafia muted their own. The village would have no reason to think I was mafia if he was and got lynched.
This was my first time being jester and rather enjoyed it. I'm glad I didn't have to do the standard jester rage quit.

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PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 9:03 am 
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defeat wrote:
Basically, I went after the muted guy so I seemed totally scummy. I figured if he was mafia, the mafia would jump on the train to lynch me without stopping to think about the jester situation. If Henry died at some point and was a villager, Id be lynched the next day and the mafia would have no reason to nightkill me.
You guys totally ate that soft claim up. I thought about not doing it, but the numbers were with me as far as my decoy list went so I went for it.
The only thing that I was worried about was Dr. Henry being mafia and people actually coming tto believe my repetitive claims that the mafia muted their own. The village would have no reason to think I was mafia if he was and got lynched.
This was my first time being jester and rather enjoyed it. I'm glad I didn't have to do the standard jester rage quit.


Ironically we did mute our own Night 3

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PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 9:48 am 
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Also it was mentioned in the game previously but I think we should shy away from using the jester role in our mafia games.

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PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 9:54 am 
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Also it was mentioned in the game previously but I think we should shy away from using the jester role in our mafia games.


I think it should still be used, just not very often, because it'd seem silly to rule out a possibility.

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 Post subject: Re: Deductive Reasoning Mafia - Mafia (+ defeat) win
PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 12:06 pm 
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All while reading this game, I felt sorry for the Village. My main suspicions were Godders, Topsummoner, and Applequest. I assumed, wrongly of course, that the last mafia would have to be Market or Jackstick.

The reason I sat out was because (no offense to Jaron), I expected a bad game. With everybody having a role and the Village's supposed primary tool being deductive reasoning, it was the Mafia's game to control from the onset. Mafia is truly a game based on inductive reasoning. That is, specific, concrete things happen and then generalized conclusions are formed. The Mafia can manipulate what happens, but they can't control the information or how it is received. In this game, the Mafia controlled much of what happened and a large amount of how that information was received.

If I had a vote for MVP I would say Tennis Ace; for a first-timer he played quite well.

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 Post subject: Re: Deductive Reasoning Mafia - Mafia (+ defeat) win
PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 4:48 pm 
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defeat wrote:
Basically, I went after the muted guy so I seemed totally scummy. I figured if he was mafia, the mafia would jump on the train to lynch me without stopping to think about the jester situation. If Henry died at some point and was a villager, Id be lynched the next day and the mafia would have no reason to nightkill me.
You guys totally ate that soft claim up. I thought about not doing it, but the numbers were with me as far as my decoy list went so I went for it.
The only thing that I was worried about was Dr. Henry being mafia and people actually coming tto believe my repetitive claims that the mafia muted their own. The village would have no reason to think I was mafia if he was and got lynched.
This was my first time being jester and rather enjoyed it. I'm glad I didn't have to do the standard jester rage quit.


The only reason you got lynched was the math, quite fortunate for you. If Rory wouldve had two names crossed out instead of you, we would have killed him instead and it wouldve been a very different game. Of course then I was lucky enough to choose Rory for our mass-MPH target, but only one other MPH joined me. Honestly, that really frustrated me that you all wouldnt join me. There was no reason we shouldnt have been mass-targeting someone every night.

For example if we knew MM6 had been decoy changed night 2, and all 4 MPH targeted Rory as suggested, we wouldve known it was a 1/2 chance Rory targeted MM6. That wouldve been enough to lynch off of. We couldve then pieced together that he targeted Sighence for the kill night 1, and realized the mafia role switching situation. Then we couldve really begun the deductive reasoning, and possibly won the game. Again, hindsight is 20/20 but we really blew it there.

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Lulz. "The only reason..." Whatever helps you sleep...

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PostPosted: September 6th, 2013, 5:18 pm 
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Fine, the main reason. Let's take a look at the first vote cast for you:

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The magic pen holder allows you to choose a player who will have one of his fake choices striked out. I am a magic pen holder as Sighence was, and as are a few other people considering how many strike-throughs there were on the lists.

Thankfully the strike-throughs give us a bit of an edge here. Defeat had 2 strike-throughs and also targeted Sighence. Mathematically he gives us the best odds of all of the people who targeted Sighence (1 in 4 chance he actually targeted him). If anyone has any better thoughts Im open to hear them, but Ill usually side with the math.

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Ooooh ya. Your tricky posts clearly got the best of me. Well played jester. :roll:

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How presh. He thinks his vote lynched me by itself.

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