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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day 4: From the Crystal White Snow
PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 8:41 pm 
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Lander, how about this:

We lynch sighence, aragorn night kills frisky (which will have no effect if he is telling the truth) and I investigate blue? Obviously the second two actions only being needed if sighence comes up clean.

At this point I have no reason to believe you are lying about roommates, I expected a Mafia to try to claim as the third member and'not knowing who the other roommates are' as sayaka suggested having to protect someone in yesterday's posts (want to clarify?) But I'm glad it was you, the one person I currently believe is villager.

Obviously if you got the information from the other two and have duped me as a result, well done.

As for being a pompous ass... Well I feel that about the way some of you have been launching attacks at me in recent games and everyone else jumping on it, so I thought I would do the same back. Further comments on this style of place can be discussed after the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day 4: From the Crystal White Snow
PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 8:42 pm 
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+1 confirm to Henry and Lander's claims. Lander, Sayaka and I are indeed roommates. This is why I have been so adamant about not lynching the demon-possessed Paidea and Sayaka, because I knew about Sayaka's alignment and what Kikori and Paidea have said are consistent with him.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day 4: From the Crystal White Snow
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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day 4: From the Crystal White Snow
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Wait, this is all well and good, which one of you possessed guys attacked Sighence?

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day 4: From the Crystal White Snow
PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 8:51 pm 
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If you want my opinion on this debacle, we have no choice but to believe that Henry is the detective at this point. But I maintain that he is playing like a pompous ass. You should realize your style right now isn't serving anyone.

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The final word is that I believe this to be an ill-conceived argument between two townies, and that the mafia *and* demon will continue their nefarious acts while you two argue and the town weighs in, demon and mafia looking useful but not really doing much. Besides getting Frisky lynched.

What's far more disturbing is that people are fully willing to lynch the one failsafe we have against the demon.

I can agree that Blue is a good bet for Demon, though Sighence is the better bet.

Can you tell me how Sighence is a good bet for the demon? He was cult attacked, but it stopped. Do you think the cult somehow managed to attack itself? I don't really understand their powers and their limits.

Also, your comment about Henry made me laugh. I was thinking similarly, but didn't want to offend; now I am apathetic. I enjoyed his rant about periods in his name, but his signature has a period in it. Oh, the inconsistencies!

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PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 8:52 pm 
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Why not just wait another day and report your findings tomorrow instead of coming out today. :glare: I believe you though.

Considering these recent findings, I want to know one thing of Sayaka, which myself and others have asked repeately. If either Lander or Top know they can answer.
Sayaka, are you the one who performed the attack on Sighence?
If you did, then it might still be three possesed, but if you did not, there is at least one more cultist.

Anyway, concerning Frisky, I believe him, though the idea that he is a "fail-safe" is ridiculous. You realize once the cult has superior numbers they can just organize and lynch him, right?

And what is going on with this Sighence train? The only incriminating evidence is that he survived a cult attack. Hardly damning, considering how little we know about the party or the attacker.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day 4: From the Crystal White Snow
PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 9:02 pm 
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Landerpurex wrote:
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If you want my opinion on this debacle, we have no choice but to believe that Henry is the detective at this point. But I maintain that he is playing like a pompous ass. You should realize your style right now isn't serving anyone.

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The final word is that I believe this to be an ill-conceived argument between two townies, and that the mafia *and* demon will continue their nefarious acts while you two argue and the town weighs in, demon and mafia looking useful but not really doing much. Besides getting Frisky lynched.

What's far more disturbing is that people are fully willing to lynch the one failsafe we have against the demon.

I can agree that Blue is a good bet for Demon, though Sighence is the better bet.

Can you tell me how Sighence is a good bet for the demon? He was cult attacked, but it stopped. Do you think the cult somehow managed to attack itself? I don't really understand their powers and their limits.

Also, your comment about Henry made me laugh. I was thinking similarly, but didn't want to offend; now I am apathetic. I enjoyed his rant about periods in his name, but his signature has a period in it. Oh, the inconsistencies!


I had asked the signature designer to change so many things already I just couldn't be bothered to make him start over because the text layer wasn't easy to change... My rants are nothing compared to some we have had in Mafias.

Agree with penguin though, people jumping on the sighence train rather quickly.

I came forward now as I wanted to find out what the roommate thing was, it clears sayaka for now, stops frisky wasting the day trying to turn people against me, raises our chances of hitting demon/Mafia (if we include aragorn and paidea that's six people who are either town or town/cult.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day 4: From the Crystal White Snow
PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 9:17 pm 
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I have to admit I haven't weighed the attack on Monk very heavily, I was going off more his activity in this game. A guy who generally is a pretty vocal leader is all but a nonfactor. But he did mention irl things interfering, so meh.

I can't say anything about Jaron or his role, our one lone PM was basically an acknowledgment that we are roomies, and when asked if he had a role, he told me to refer to his big post from yesterday. Apparently, Top knew this so me being out of the loop is somewhat worrisome. Though I guess I can sometimes be a volatile player.

In other words, I'm certain he is hiding something but Doc maintains that he's town, so I'm not sure what to do.

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PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 9:18 pm 
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I had asked the signature designer to change so many things already I just couldn't be bothered to make him start over because the text layer wasn't easy to change.

Actually it's because I screwed up in exporting and never saved a project file, so I had no layers to work with.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day 4: From the Crystal White Snow
PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 9:19 pm 
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I also hadn't considered that the cult may mobilize once they have the numbers and kill off risky as the commuter, but when I said that I meant at night.

We've been told by two cult members that they don't know who the demon is nor do they know who their fellow cultists are. I find this very unbelievable, it's really all the more reason to lynch at least one of them.

It's also worth noting that while the cult wants the mafia dead, the mafia should also want the cult dead.

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PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 9:32 pm 
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I also hadn't considered that the cult may mobilize once they have the numbers and kill off risky as the commuter, but when I said that I meant at night.

We've been told by two cult members that they don't know who the demon is nor do they know who their fellow cultists are. I find this very unbelievable, it's really all the more reason to lynch at least one of them.

It's also worth noting that while the cult wants the mafia dead, the mafia should also want the cult dead.


I am certain that the cultists do not know who the demon is. Whether he communicates with them as if he were a cultist, or doesn't communicate with them at all, I don't know.

Lander/top then, do you have roommate-based ways of winning? Do you all lose if one of you does?

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PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 9:34 pm 
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I also hadn't considered that the cult may mobilize once they have the numbers and kill off risky as the commuter, but when I said that I meant at night.

We've been told by two cult members that they don't know who the demon is nor do they know who their fellow cultists are. I find this very unbelievable, it's really all the more reason to lynch at least one of them.

It's also worth noting that while the cult wants the mafia dead, the mafia should also want the cult dead.


I am certain that the cultists do not know who the demon is. Whether he communicates with them as if he were a cultist, or doesn't communicate with them at all, I don't know.

Lander/top then, do you have roommate-based ways of winning? Do you all lose if one of you does?


I have no win conditions with them, I win with the town. I can't speak for them.

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PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 9:35 pm 
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I have to admit I haven't weighed the attack on Monk very heavily, I was going off more his activity in this game. A guy who generally is a pretty vocal leader is all but a nonfactor. But he did mention irl things interfering, so meh.

I can't say anything about Jaron or his role, our one lone PM was basically an acknowledgment that we are roomies, and when asked if he had a role, he told me to refer to his big post from yesterday. Apparently, Top knew this so me being out of the loop is somewhat worrisome. Though I guess I can sometimes be a volatile player.

In other words, I'm certain he is hiding something but Doc maintains that he's town, so I'm not sure what to do.


Both of your roommates are definitely town. Not Mafia. I know the details of both of their roles so if they try hiding anything I will call them out on it. Only thing I want told was win conditions or other roommates

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia - Day 4: From the Crystal White Snow
PostPosted: March 25th, 2013, 9:37 pm 
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I also hadn't considered that the cult may mobilize once they have the numbers and kill off risky as the commuter, but when I said that I meant at night.

We've been told by two cult members that they don't know who the demon is nor do they know who their fellow cultists are. I find this very unbelievable, it's really all the more reason to lynch at least one of them.

It's also worth noting that while the cult wants the mafia dead, the mafia should also want the cult dead.


I am certain that the cultists do not know who the demon is. Whether he communicates with them as if he were a cultist, or doesn't communicate with them at all, I don't know.

Lander/top then, do you have roommate-based ways of winning? Do you all lose if one of you does?


I have no win conditions with them, I win with the town. I can't speak for them.


So you at literally just limited to being able to communicate outside the thread. Very neighbour-esque.

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Wait what? I've not been active today because I wasn't expecting the night to be over for a few hours yet. Besides, if last game is any indication, I know how to be active and scum.

This Demon must be eliminated now. For my money, that's Penguin. Can anyone point me to where he's been really that helpful? Sure, he's been active, but has he done anything other than ask the obvious questions? Largely, he's been second-guessing everyone and everything to no real effect. I'd like to hear some more, because from what I've seen, he's playing a very typical scumgame.

Gotta say, though, Lander, your interestingly selective memory concerns me. Remembering I explained my lessened activity but not what you posted you 'agreed almost 100%' with from the same post? Poor form, regardless of alignment.


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This Demon must be eliminated now. For my money, that's Penguin. Can anyone point me to where he's been really that helpful? Sure, he's been active, but has he done anything other than ask the obvious questions? Largely, he's been second-guessing everyone and everything to no real effect. I'd like to hear some more, because from what I've seen, he's playing a very typical scumgame.


What have I done to be helpful? While we have almost entirely absent players you ask me? You yourself have done little be respond to your attacking and I'm unhelpful? How about in ever post that wasn't a joke-all but three of them-where I make insight and ask important, not trivial questions. I'm not sure where you're coming from on that allegation, unless your baiting me to vote for someone today, in which case sure; I'll bite.

We've got four lurkers this game, who've been popping in to vote with each train that gathers sufficient speed, Market Man, Rat King, Phantom Rose, Ex Rex. And Sighence you're not doing much better than them, considering the content of your posts, even more so since you're not known for inactivity. However, what's striking me odd is Bluecoat, who's acting like he's got free reign after catching the Kikori wave early. No offense, but everyone knows Kikori isn't the best on the mafia side of the game, and bussing him isn't much of a sure-fire town attitude. Day 3 you tried to split the votes, in a day which was critical. Now you've voting again not for specifics but for generalities that others have pointed out, in the hyper-aggressive nature of Dr Henry. You appear to be posting and be active, but you're making useless accusations and spliting the votes. Bluecoat

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@Dr Henry & Penguinguy: Yes, my special ability was used last night. I didn't mention it because I didn't want it roleblocked.
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Sayaka do you want to explain why you chose last night to freeze the town? As possessed it stopped the demon from recruiting, and stopping aragorn's night action doesn't benefit the town.
Well, let's see.
1) Yeah it stopped Aragorn's night action but I made sure beforehand that he wouldn't lose it. It was also a trap--if Aragorn had claimed he'd lose his night action I'd be calling him and Paidea out as Mafiosos right now, but he didn't, so I won't. So there was a dual purpose.
2) It stopped the Mafia from making a kill.
3) It essentially extends Day 3, since it was obvious we needed more time anyway. It also looked like using it on a later night wouldn't have made any difference.
4) Stopped the Demon from recruiting/making a kill too but really I thought three reasons were enough.
I'd say the town benefitted a lot, and Aragorn has more time to plan his target.

@Talk of FriskyAlpaca:
bluecoat mentioned cutting FriskyAlpaca some slack for being new. But you guys, for someone that only joined RV a week or two before this game started, he's brought up strategies from the past two or three games a few times. It's really clear that he knows how Mafia works and he's read our previous topics in full. To pass him off as "being new" makes me suspicious of you and him both.

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Sayaka, are you the one who performed the attack on Sighence?
Why are you shouting? :-s Also how should I know? I don't even know who the Demon is. Jackstick's flavor text that one of the Demon's henchmen pulled off the attack on Sighence was the first I even heard that the Demon isn't flying solo, same as you.

TL;DR (why): I don't know. By that token I doubt anyone knows.

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I can't say anything about Jaron or his role, our one lone PM was basically an acknowledgment that we are roomies, and when asked if he had a role, he told me to refer to his big post from yesterday. Apparently, Top knew this so me being out of the loop is somewhat worrisome. Though I guess I can sometimes be a volatile player.

In other words, I'm certain he is hiding something but Doc maintains that he's town, so I'm not sure what to do.
Yeah I've been hiding that I've thought you were Mafia since Day 2.

@Talk of being roommates:
Jackstick told us that me, Topsummoner, and Landerpurex shared a house and were allowed to talk to each other outside of the game. He didn't tell me what alignments Top and Lander were. In fact, he told me that I'm possessed and that I should probably hide that from them. I would have brought this up sooner but I don't want to imply that Lander is a Villager alongside me and Top because I do not know that for certain.

Dr Henry, would you mind again concisely explaining what you know about the situation between me, Top, and Lander? Your posts on the matter kind of confused me--they seemed rife with traps (which I fully support) but I really want to know if you know anything about Lander.

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I never said anything after the Kikori lynch :?: I kind of take offense to that.

I'm unvoting Dr Henry, by the way, for obvious reasons. I'm not entirely sure where this suspicion of me came from since only one person has a legitimate reason posted (and I already addressed why I was refusing to sheep yesterday), but an investigation by Dr Henry will reveal that I'm a villager, barring a frame or some load of crap like that... Come to think of it, maybe power roles conspiring publicly may introduce some room for outside faction interference? Probably not the best idea. By all means though, go ahead and investigate me. I'll be another confirmed villager if it succeeds.

Anyway, I'm curious as to why Sighence is a good bet for the demon? Nobody seems to have posted any actual explanation. I may consider sheeping as I've been told for the last two days if anyone can supply one. I can buy that he may be mafia by process of elimination, but demon accusations seem oddly specific.

And because Jaron ninja'd me,

I know that Frisky has read the last few games in full. I also provided him with basic strategies before the game started and roles were out. In the interest of full disclosure, he has messaged me asking for term definitions, such as "WIFOM". I may message him after this telling him what an OMGUS vote is, because Henry's definition was a bit dick-ish for my taste (also addressed in yesterday's post). But one of the things I warned him about is something that, without fail, regardless of amount of prior reading, happens to new players: They don't fit into the mafiascum subculture that permeates the more vocal players, and they get lynched for it. I don't care for the subculture myself, and roughly half of the standard "scumtells" do not seem to work imo, or at the very least go against what I consider the spirit of the game. I warned him of this multiple times, and told him to tell his bro as well. And it happened. That was why I continued to defend him (and imasquid, and PhantomRose, and maybe Rat King a little bit), and split the vote.

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PostPosted: March 26th, 2013, 12:46 am 
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I can't say anything about Jaron or his role, our one lone PM was basically an acknowledgment that we are roomies, and when asked if he had a role, he told me to refer to his big post from yesterday. Apparently, Top knew this so me being out of the loop is somewhat worrisome. Though I guess I can sometimes be a volatile player.

In other words, I'm certain he is hiding something but Doc maintains that he's town, so I'm not sure what to do.
Yeah I've been hiding that I've thought you were Mafia since Day 2.


That's rich. I'll tell everyone else what I told you and top: I am the Fuzzy Bunny detective. I apparently get correct results 25% of the time, and I have not been using my ability because it's nearly pointless.

I play a desperate mafioso, but I would never bus one of my own in the manner that kikori went down.

Trying to paint me as scum now is just ridiculous.

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I play a desperate mafioso, but I would never bus one of my own in the manner that kikori went down.

Trying to paint me as scum now is just ridiculous.
That's entirely possible and it's also your best counterargument. But two games ago, when it was obvious Kikori was Mafia, you supported him to the bitter end and died for it, and everyone made sure to tell you so. It seems plausible to me that you'd attempt to do the opposite here, and just ended up going too far in that direction. Kikori's role PM DID contain the "100%" thing you mentioned, so for him to explode like that when you mentioned it was unwarranted and stupid. If it doesn't make sense, maybe that's because it's all an act.
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I'll tell everyone else what I told you and top: I am the Fuzzy Bunny detective. I apparently get correct results 25% of the time, and I have not been using my ability because it's nearly pointless.
Hey everyone! Let's play a game!

You are the Fuzzy Bunny DETECTIVE. You may investigate a player once per night. 25% of the time you get the correct result, and 75% of the time you get the wrong result. What will you do? Lander says you don't even use your ability.

Wrong.

You pick someone that is most likely to not get lynched or killed in the night early in the game. That's obviously imasquid, I think most everyone would agree with that.

Then you investigate him Night 1. Then you investigate him Night 2. Then you investigate him Night 3.

If you get the same result all three times, you'll know it was the "wrong result", per your PM. Do you know what the chances of getting a false positive are, instead? Less than 1.6%. If you're not satisfied then you investigate him Night 4, as well. And you keep going until you're satisfied. Then you explain everything to the Village and they can decide if they want to take a 98% success rate or not.

Lander, you claimed to have a role and then willingly threw it away every single night. You're WAY smarter than that. Way smarter. I find it hard to believe that ANYONE with a nightly role would not use it, no matter how trivial. So yeah, I think you've been lying about that the entire game.

(This is why you don't disclose role PMs, by the way. Because I think your role is fake, and you could obviously disprove me by posting it in full.)

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