thedefencema where have you been? You are being completely useless, and if there is no reason for it... Then I see no reason to keep you around.

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Whoa. Lynching an inactive is a completely different thing from pressuring an inactive. FOS Market Man.

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I've had mountains of homework for the past week because my algebra teacher hates me, and I got a few viruses last night because I'm an idiot and can't read. I don't think I'm going to be as inactive as I have been in the past week or so for the rest of the game, though.

I went to a friend's gig last night and stayed at my girlfriend's overnight, sorry :/

I've also been busy back at the first week of uni, but I am paying attention and culminating my thoughts - frankly though, I have a vote out and it is for Market, who I have a gut feeling is mafia, despite you/kikori/monk going off on tangents and distracting things from that point - If i am correct he even has a few votes on him too.

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I'd like to think there's a difference between going on tangents, and calling someone out for equally scummy behavior.
And rest assured, the suspicion against Market isn't denied at all. Right now, though, getting to the bottom of Monk's train of thought comes first.

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Hm, I guess I can agree that it is no good to just outright lynch someone just because they're inactive in the game. If they at least posted a few times in here, then they should be good to go.

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Lynching an inactive player, at the very least, gives us information on who they were. Who voted for them and when also can tell us things down the line. This early in the game and with this many players, and with not a whole lot of serious information to go on it could be more helpful than harmful.

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I used to get you and J@n mixed up. Except your funnier. And nicer. Happy 21st bro!

Oh man Jan, you just got zinged by Riptide. How much does THAT suck?

Well, statistically speaking, slightly more than a giant suckusaur. A dire one.

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Lets see if I remember how to play...

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Right?

Jaron has given me the single most broken character to date. I wasn't allowed to submit any text based communication with you all, forced to alternate between picture communication and voice communication... However I've been told that I can not submit a vote unless I bold text it (tanksandguns) which makes no sense considering I'm unable to speak in a text form. I have chosen to break the obligations of my character and if I am smote, I blame Jackstick.

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Yeah I just chose you three because you were the ones argueing, I agree with what you just said, though you did get how the godfather works completely wrong. However, I don't see why Monk is still so adamant on the roleblocker.

On an unrelated note, Kikori (and also Henry), why is Market Man's captain obvious post any worse than Phantomrose or Tanksandguns similarly captain obvious post? I see none of the three similar posts as scummy, yet you find just Market's as scummy.

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Market Man has played numerous games. Phantom has not. I'd rather not drop the hammer on her for lack of full-on ground breaking contribution during the first serious day we've actually had. That excuse doesn't last long, but damned if I expect a first time player to be on a Veteran's level on de facto Day One.
Tanks has been Tanks. He's never been the most gung ho about posting, but what he's said is easily less "obvious" more gameplay because it actually takes a stance on something. He wanted Tru dead and stuck to that. Market, on the other hand, pointed out what was already under discussion and left it at that.
You haven't seen Market as the least bit suspicious, which does surprise but doesn't unsettle me--not everyone will see things the exact same way. That you single out the people who do find him any bit suspicious, however, is confusing. Why do you think he's innocent when he takes no stance and simply posts some of the most hollow words on the topic?

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Since I probably have to switch, I'm still fairly convinced Tru was the Godfather, and now that would mean Animal is the Godfather.

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This, plus the joint fact that I haven't actually seen Tanks captain obvious post (I've skimread to catch up due to a busy week), and Market has done nothing to defend himself whatsoever from the votes on him.

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I think that with so many players in this game, it would be less likely for there to be a Godfather, unless there was more than one detective, because if a detective investigates the Godfather and it comes back innocent, they arent likely to investiage them again, unless they are acting really scummy, because of how many people there are to investigate.

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No offence to Market but I haven't seen him defend himself particularly well in the last couple of games we've been in (I haven't exactly covered myself in glory either). It might just be a general weakness because AFAIK he has been both mafia and town in the last few games.

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Right, so you ask why I'm so certain? I've said why before; you must have missed it along with actually answering the question I posed to you last time. I'm so certain because it's the only sensible consideration. Doctor protection has, as far as I can recall, always been announced. Mafia inactivity, through whatever means you'd like, has resulted in the lack of a kill once. Meanwhile, roleblocks are also not announced and happen far more frequently than mafia inactivity. Since the roleblocker has essentially detective'd up a mafia, and is both unlikely to do so again and an overall less-important power role (and oh yeah, there's a doctor too), he should announce.

Oh yeah, Lander, don't think I didn't notice you pretty much failed to respond to my last post. Completely unlike you, and ignoring it won't make it go away, much like my vote.

You had two question marks in your post to me.



I answered that when I mentioned the history of designation. To the best of my knowledge, the majority of Jaron's games have featured the Mafia Godfather simply sending in the night kill, no designated target. If I recall correctly, I brought designation into the equation when we moved to the public forums, to account for Watchers, Trackers, and my infamous Nexus. Jaron was not playing during this time. My answer: My opinion is that, if there is a Godfather, he does not designate kills to anyone else, but rather carries them out himself, since that is the idea our host has played under the majority of the time. (Fun fact, Christopher supported part of the point. Want to jump him, too?)

Question mark number two: Does it have to be anything? If multiple people think alike, it doesn't have to be a coalition. It could just be that we both think you're behaving irrationally for the same reason. Gasp! Coincidence in a Mafia game!

Let me do the copy-paste-quote thing again, for your post's benefit.

This is my thought on what happened last night, in order of most likely to least likely. You might have missed it when I said it before, but DOCTOR WITHOUT NOTIFICATION is last on the list. Least likely. We agree on that point, we have agreed on it all day.
We also agree on that a Roleblocked killer is the most likely explanation. I don't dismiss an inactive member of the Mafia, but I do believe the Roleblocker might have gotten lucky.
Here's where we disagree. Pay attention: We disagree in that it is confirmed that the Roleblocker got lucky. If there is a Roleblocker--unconfirmed--and he happened to hit the Mafia's killing person--whether designated by a Godfather or not, unconfirmed--is still up to chance because it may--not a 100% thing--have been a fluke of inactive Mafia.
This is where Lander and I agree: The only way the Roleblocker can confirm his idea is to block the same person again successfully. Why do he and I agree with this idea? Because we simply have the opinion that the Godfather both sends and performs the kill, since as stated above that is the style of Godfather Jaron has played with almost any time there has been one. We are taking an educated guess based on the majority figures of past games (I believe Penguin and Paidea call that "Metagame") as to the mechanics of the game and trusting the Mafia somehow do not kill the Roleblocker night two.

If all questions as to my logic are still not answered, and if you still believe I have not adequately answered your curiosities, you're not reading hard enough. And if you keep posting as though we ignore what you say, you're not trying hard enough, which is very likely why Lander completely passed over your post.

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I was refering to this post:
Which was just as hollow as what Market said. I'm not saying I think these posts make either one of them innocent, I'm saying I don't think they make either one suspicious. To my recollection, both villagers and mafia alike will make posts without substance.

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Here, yes, but its not unprecedented, and is how most other sites play it. Which means it has happened before, and in a game like this, with 21 people and tons of new players, could easily happen again. This is true though.

Ninja'd by Kikori: I agree with most of what you said, except
You say that since there is no precedent in Jaron's previous games, he wouldn't have the Mafia Godfather designate the action, even though it has appeared in other RV games, yet you give credence to the Doctor with out announcement theory, which has no precedent on ANY RV Mafia game. Seems contradictory.

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I called it the least likely scenario because it's just that--the least likely. If the Doctor made a successful save but there was no "I was saved from death" note in the daytime post, it would be the first time ever. It would be the biggest break from Doctor tradition we've had. And I just don't see it happening.
The only reason it's on the list to start with is because other people brought it up as a possibility. The least likely one in existence, but one brought up nonetheless.

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