Mafia: XX - Game Over (Village and Mr Hyde win) rex smells!!

Topsummoner · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 2:34 pm

What Lander said etc.

So basically: let's see how long we can keep this eternal stalemate going!

Riptide.

I'm going to consider this game a Town/Hyde win, as it should because the win conditions are contradictory and make no sense. Good game everyone, as convoluted as it was!

Dr Henry · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 2:58 pm

I'm staying on Lander. Stalemate can last forever, don't give in Riptide!

Riptide · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 3:16 pm

I don't get the horseshit that Godders has made for this game. ._.

Landerpurex · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 9:21 pm

Topsummoner wrote:

What Lander said etc.

So basically: let's see how long we can keep this eternal stalemate going!

Riptide.

I'm going to consider this game a Town/Hyde win, as it should because the win conditions are contradictory and make no sense. Good game everyone, as convoluted as it was!

+1

Riptide

Kikori · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 10:18 pm

Game Over! After effectively five days of scrutiny, mutiny, and shenanigans, we have a stalemate! (Understood by chess players: Stalemate ends the game on the spot. I Suggest You Come To Terms With It.)

Winners: Village and Jekyll & Hyde!

Role Lost

1 | Dr Henry - Bulletproof, WINNER
2 | Aragorn Ix - Godfather
3 | Scar - Survivor
4 | Market Man6 - Detective (Sane)
5 | Landerpurex - Mr. Hyde, WINNER
6 | Kikori - Bomb
7 | Monk Basher - Mafia Goon
8 | Topsummoner - Dr. Jekyll, WINNER
9 | Riptide - Jailkeeper, WINNER
10| Ex Rex - Cultist Cult Leader
11| Penguinguy - Tracker/Watcher
12| Sayaka - Yakuza
13| CODfisherMW2 - Paranoid Gun Owner
14| Animal - Framer

Removed.

Landerpurex · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 10:32 pm

Done and done. I guess this is what happens when you put together an unwinnable game.

For the record, I really was trying to play with the town. I genuinely believed that we could (and would) win with the town. However, when I got back over my PMs, I read first that Top and I must be 50% of the population to win. Then Godders sent me a PM saying that Top and I must be the last two remaining alive to win. I also should mention that initially, he said I couldn't talk to anyone outside the thread and that I wouldn't be told who my partner was, but then he sent me a PM saying that if we both survived til N2 we could talk to eachother outside the thread.

Though top's obvious rolefish was obvious, and we hardly needed to talk outside the thread.

Overall...I think I played pretty damn well. I must say that I like Godders as a person, and appreciate his work for the site....but this game was handled very poorly. It goes up there with the one where Monk accidentally killed off Tru Ninja then brought him back to life, and the game hosted by Top (?) that was ultimately forgotten due to inactivity. Though that wasn't entirely his fault, as I recall, deadlines were stretched to astronomical levels.

Here's my initial role pm:

Godders wrote:

3rd Party Killer/ Mr Hyde:

Unique ability - Each night you can choose someone to kill.

Other Info - You are Mr Hyde, your other half is Dr Jekyll (who is the village Nurse, whos identity will not be told to you). If either of you die, you will both be killed.

Win condition - You win by you and Dr Jekyll being atleast 50% of the remaining people.

- You can win with the Mafia, if you survive to the end.

Communication - You may not communicate with anyone outside of the game.

And here is the subsequent one he sent me when I asked him to clarify my win condition/s:

Godders wrote:

Landerpurex wrote:

Does the mafia know about my existence?

Do I (and my counterpart) count towards the mafia win numbers, or do we just win with the mafia if we survive to the end as they meet their win conditions?

And I win if my partner and myself are at least 50% of the remaining players. Does the game end if/when this happens? For example, four players left: one mafia, one town, and me and my partner. Does the game end?

Or do you mean if all the mafia dies and there are four or less people left, me and my partner among them.

No.

Your partner knows of your existance, but not who you are.

Only you out of your partner win with the Mafia, but neither of you count towards the Mafia members. But you partner can both count to Village members and wins with the village.

It's very circumstantial, but once there is only one alignment Mafia/Village/Other left, with you and your partner as 2 people out of 4 or less people remaining. But i will send you another PM with what would happen in certain circumstances if you and your partner got to the last day.

And here is the real gem:

Godders wrote:

These are all the possible outcomes should Jekyll and Hyde make it to being the last 4 remaining.

Hidden:

You "partner" will be given a copy of this, and for added fun if you both make it to Night 2, you will be told who your partner is, and from that point onward you may communicate with eachother.

Now tell me how much of that makes sense.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 10:37 pm

Godders stick to the KISS (Keep it simple, stupid) acronym in future, it will serve to make for a better game. It was your first time hosting and I've never hosted so I don't feel I can criticise your effort, I just think you were overly ambitious with the roles.

Saten Ruiko · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 10:47 pm

Kikori wrote:

Yakuza wrote:

During the night, by sacrificing your own life, you can sew chaos into the Town by converting one of its members into a fellow Mafia. You are aligned with the Mafia.

Bullcrap! Pretending to be the host doesn't work when you have no clue what the host did.

Godders wrote:

Yakuza:

Unique ability - At night you can choose one person to attempt to recruit to become a Mafia member.

Once per night, the player will get to choose if they join you.

The message to them will look something like:

"The Mafia has invited you to join their ranks, do you accept? If you do not respond, you will not be join them."

Seriously guys, why would you even entertain the idea of me committing suicide? I had practically zero suspicion. I'm a really bad player as Mafia but I'm not that bad. Besides, the pages you guys posted said I'd live if I attempted to recruit a Doctor, and we all knew Top was the doctor, so why would I go to COD? I'm really surprised no one realized that none of that actually added up.

Speaking of which, it's also dumb that COD was even given the chance to accept if he shot me before I walked in the door.

Landerpurex · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 10:58 pm

Sayaka wrote:

Kikori wrote:

Yakuza wrote:

During the night, by sacrificing your own life, you can sew chaos into the Town by converting one of its members into a fellow Mafia. You are aligned with the Mafia.

Bullcrap! Pretending to be the host doesn't work when you have no clue what the host did.

Godders wrote:

Yakuza:

Unique ability - At night you can choose one person to attempt to recruit to become a Mafia member.

Once per night, the player will get to choose if they join you.

The message to them will look something like:

"The Mafia has invited you to join their ranks, do you accept? If you do not respond, you will not be join them."

Seriously guys, why would you even entertain the idea of me committing suicide? I had practically zero suspicion. I'm a really bad player as Mafia but I'm not that bad. Besides, the pages you guys posted said I'd live if I attempted to recruit a Doctor, and we all knew Top was the doctor, so why would I go to COD? I'm really surprised no one realized that none of that actually added up.

Speaking of which, it's also dumb that COD was even given the chance to accept if he shot me before I walked in the door.

This post makes a LOT of sense, and this question was on my mind through the whole game, though given my nature you can imagine why I didn't bring it up.

I really was baffled why you'd sacrifice your own life, and why you'd recruit COD of all people. And whether or not he shot you, and WHY IN THE HELL Godders told us he was the yakked mafia. I guess he was trying to save face when really, it made things worse.

Kikori · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 11:02 pm

I sorta believed that train of thought, but it got the better of me when I chose to believe COD wasn't converted as a result of shooting you. As stated, it comes as a shock that he gets converted if you die upon entering the door.

Saten Ruiko · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 11:12 pm

Landerpurex wrote:

I really was baffled why you'd sacrifice your own life, and why you'd recruit COD of all people. And whether or not he shot you, and WHY IN THE HELL Godders told us he was the yakked mafia. I guess he was trying to save face when really, it made things worse.

I went for COD because I figured he would be one of the most likely ones to accept, but if the role was actually what you guys posted, it would've been a extremely dumb decision, yeah. Night 1 I didn't recruit anyone for fear that the person I'd pick would probably shoot me as soon as I walked in the door. Night 2 we'd already lost two of four people so I decided to recruit COD, and got shot as soon as I walked in the door, apparently. Not my brightest moment.

PenguinGuy · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 11:33 pm

So according to you Kikori, you managed to screw both of us out of winning with your ultimately useless plan. :glare:

Kidding, kidding. I had actually planned to suggest the same thing.

Kikori wrote:

Tracker wrote:

Once per night, you choose a person to follow. When following a player, you see whose houses they visit. You are aligned with the town.

Watcher wrote:

Once per night, you choose a person to watch. When watching a player, you see who enters their house. You are aligned with the town.

False. I was never called Watcher/Tracker, it wasn't until end of D1 I actually realized I had both roles.

Godders wrote:

Watcher:

Unique ability - Each night you may choose one person to watch, you can see them performing a night action and those performing night actions to them.

Win condition - You win when all non-village or neutral roles have been eliminated

Communication - You may not communicate with anyone outside of the game.

Not sure if deliberate or accidental, but I did utilize both. I watched Monk for obvious reason, his role was mine watered down, watched (effectively tracked) Aragorn, because he was staying under the radar hard. I knew he was a PR or Mafia. After the yak I figured it was Kikori or Dr. Henry because of their night protection, figured not Kikori because he was adamant on the Aragorn lynch. When I saw Riptide visit Kikori the next night that effectivly tied up all the loose ends. Figured Kik and I might as well kill ourselves and get a Town/Jekyll/Hyde win. I guess not.

Market Man6 · **Posted:** June 15th, 2012, 11:40 pm

had some fun

had some plans. then died hahaha

but after i was dead, it was difficult to muster effort to follow the rest of the game.

Dr Henry · **Posted:** June 16th, 2012, 6:26 am

Awful game... oh and I lied... I was unkillable for one night one

So after Lander beat me up, I could easily have been killed by the mafia, or Lander himself.

Still, WINNER!

Godders · **Posted:** June 16th, 2012, 7:35 am

I'll take my award for greatest host ever!

Scar · **Posted:** June 16th, 2012, 8:54 am

Whoever decided to kill me N1, I hate you...please die.

Godders wrote:

Survivor:

Unique ability - None.

Win condition - You win by surviving to the end.

Communication - You may not communicate with anyone outside of the game.

Godders · **Posted:** June 16th, 2012, 8:58 am

Scar wrote:

Whoever decided to kill me N1, I hate you...please die.

You were killed by Aragorn, he sent Sayaka to kill you.

Night Actions

Hidden:

Ex Rex · **Posted:** June 18th, 2012, 3:08 am

At least have the decency to update the title and close out the game officially, godders...

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