So we've got a lover-type role, a suicide bomber, a vigilante, possibly a doctor and detective... God dammit Godders.

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Riptide wrote:

I used to get you and J@n mixed up. Except your funnier. And nicer. Happy 21st bro!

Oh man Jan, you just got zinged by Riptide. How much does THAT suck?

Well, statistically speaking, slightly more than a giant suckusaur. A dire one.

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Lets see if I remember how to play...

EX REX IS MAFIA SCUM FOURTHVOTER UNVILLAGE BLAH BLAH BLAH SCUM BLAH WINE IN FRONT OF ME BLAH BLAH META GAME BLAH BLAH BLAH SMELLS OF ELDERBERRIES BLAH

Right?

Seems to me your agreeing with me but voting to lynch me.... I never said I didn't want to post much. I'm not sure what kindof player I want to be. I'm against the attacker, but can't stand back and not vote.

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This.

Though, Riptide, you could start contributing in the game of mafia.

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Clarify this, then.



I know it's a little out of context, but this just doesn't sit right with me. And how do you figure I agree with you?



It also strikes me as strange that you'd be savvy enough to guess at lovers, but you'd forget Monk's claim of tracker and mistake a vengeful townie for a suicide bomber.

Major FOS: Riptide.

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As long as someone is willing to call me out on my playing style, I'm willing to state it again. I'd like to think I don't try to shove it down peoples' throats until attacked or questioned for reasons directly related to how I play. Don't let Monk's game go to your head for making me seem like a small fry, though. Another trait we share is that we're far better as villager than mafia.

I've got two thoughts about voting for him. One is that his logic isn't bad. Trying to avoid a game of "Let's get the power roles to do the work for us" is not a poorly founded idea. His presentation is more scummy than his idea. This makes him the kind of person I'd see investigated before killed. Add to that my pride making me see anyone who tries to attack my all-out offense as trying to remove the weight from logic that threatens them, a solely mafia move. It would make sense for an experienced mafia member to provoke him into doing this. It creates a very good bus opportunity.
Speaking of bus opportunities. Detective-types: If Fisher comes up mafia, investigate Lander immediately.

CODfisherMW2

Dear Riptide. We likely have no Doctor. We have two Investigators. We do not have a suicide bomber, we have a vengeful bomber. A suicide bomber attacks someone willingly, vengeful just means I go after who hammered me. And if we have any lovers, I have yet to see them post. Lovers are a pair, usually one mafia and one villager, who will take their own life if the other dies. It would be as unwise as possible for them to even hint at their role--secrecy is their game above all else.

Dear Lander.


suddenly turns into...



Feeling a little rushed, there?

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I think you're missing some things if you're thinking Lander is bussing Fisher.

I too am town-aligned.

Can't get a good read of Fisher since he's new. So in the meantime, Sayaka, where are you?

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Are you really going to make that correlation? I reread his post and noticed several mistakes and thought they were strange.

The idea in my mind is that Riptide forgot to add Monk to the list because Monk doesn't have a role, and Riptide knows this. If they both turn up as mafia, I will a brick.

And I've said this a thousand times. As mafia, I can and will willingly bus my own teammates to make myself look more innocent, and hopefully secure a win in the long run. But I would never do that nigh unprovoked. And my playstyle as mafia has to shift because people know that just by simply surviving past n3-4, it makes me exponentially more suspicious. So I can't even say with confidence that I'd bus one of my own anymore.

I also don't particularly like Kikori ordering the detective around. Is it beyond you to fathom that I'm town and that COD is mafia?



Meritable post.

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Top, please explain what I've "missed" about Lander bussing Fisher if the two were indeed mafia.

Lander, it's certainly possible, but if you know my gut, it's got a feeling. One you can help ease by playing along with, if you're willing to indulge me in a guessing game.
If the Mafia attacks you, you will in some way return the favor and screw over your night-time assailant, whether by shouting their name or by killing them in the process. Am I correct? Let's face it, if I am, it makes you a bad target to kill for them and a bad choice of who to lynch, so there's no harm in a simple "yes" or "no".
As long as you answer that question, I won't ask any more of you concerning your role.

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Do I really need to answer? Under what other circumstances would I want the mafia to attack me?

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Well for starters you're ignoring the posts he's made directed at me.

And another thing is what's the difference between what he's doing and what you're doing in regard to Fisher? Could you not be bussing him yourself? Who gave you any right to call the shots on who the detective investigates?

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That taken care of.



In order...
His posts with you have no relation to his posts concerning Fisher. They are what sparked my gut feeling.
I could, but to be safe you'd have to lynch me. Want to lynch me? I continue to heavily discourage you from being the hammering vote if you are a villager. I wouldn't want to see a villager dead because you didn't believe me.
Nobody did. Nor is the detective obligated to "follow my order".

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I feel misquoted Lander, I was obviously expressing my opinion on Kikori's mass posts. You can quote but please quote in context. I assumed you agreed with me,


You don't need to read so much into my vote on kikori. If it doesn't sit right with you than your fair to vote the fisher out.



Again with the massive offensive, "scummy", and presenting my approach to the game (as accepting players logic as players opinions) as "solely mafia", I'm a little offended that you would assume I'm only a puppet in an experienced mafia's hand (although as I said before you are the most interesting person to observe, and that is quite and interesting explanation).

P.S. although I openly admit to being a noob, but this is the most fun I've had online.

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I don't agree with you at all. You're voting for Kikori. I clearly said that, at this point, I do not believe him to be mafia.

Do you REALLY think he's mafia? Are you willing to cast the hammering vote against him and test his role?

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To clarify: because I'm willing to vote for him to give you that opportunity.

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monk, ex rex, pengin guy, sayaka.
i dont like the inactivity. i wouldnt object to a lynch on any of these guys.
so far sayaka has the most votes, so i will throw mine in there and await a response.



also, kikori, some might view your vote as a OMGUS

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That... makes me realize, a mafia attempting to order an offense for the sake of bussing has never once happened. Nor would it, as it probably would be offensive to the bussed. What that changes in my logic is the idea of Lander bussing you, both being Mafia. What that doesn't change...



...is the answer to this is still "Yes", in my eyes. All I need is a simple yes or no from you, bro.

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Definitely! I don't appeal to any logic and say that he's mafia for being such an eager beaver, but It still doesn't sit right with me.

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Well this is quite interesting.

Because we don't seem to agree, we have: Mafia (duh), a role with an extra killing ability (SK, Vig, or JoAT), a roleblocker, and a investigative role (due to framer), with doctors existence tenative. Monk has claimed Tracker, Kikori has claimed vengeful townie, Dr Henry has claimed bullet proof. Lander claimed some sort of granny/paranoid gun owner, with some connection to Topsummoner.

With this much information, we should be able to follow Lynch all Liars to much success. When Monk reveals his last nights findings, that should be very helpful. But until then, and in the case his search was fruitless, look for scum tells.

I'm not sure what to make of CODfisher. The idea that lots of post are bad is, well, bad, and was very adamandant in an otherwise unfounded attack on Kikori. But seesing as he hasn't said anything else scummy after that, I would chalk it up as a noob mistake.

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Yes, I will cause detriment to the mafia if they attack me in the night.

You also need to realize that there are many reasons a bus might happen. For example, when I was mafia and saw Riptide lynched, it was under his own agreement that it happened. He had made some mistakes, bad ones, and wasn't particularly interested in the game. That's not to say that COD is the same, but he seems like a smart guy. This could all be a ruse.

In order for the test to happen, COD, you need to unvote Kikori and let everyone else vote him until we get to 6 votes. Then you need to cast the seventh vote to lynch.

Since you think COD is mafia, kikori, you shouldn't have a problem with this? Of course, unless his willingness has changed you mind.

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This is the only thing that confused me.
I questioned Lander on if his role is such a paranoid gun owner, but he has neither confirmed nor denied.

The only relation thus far between Lander and Topsummoner is that Top claims Lander has made note-worthy posts directed at Top, where I see no such posts existing. Lander quoted Top once and said "Meritable post", that's it. If anything, Top's putting himself closer to Lander.

So here's what we have.
I'm vengeful. Hammer my lynch at your own risk.
Henry's Bulletproof. He wants the Vigilante / Serial Killer to strike him to confirm that he indeed did not die in the night.
Monk Basher is a Tracker. We have yet to hear any results from him.
Lander has a passive role and "Dares the mafia to attack him", implying a retaliation but not defining how. (STILL WAITING ON MY 'YES' OR 'NO', SIR.)
Fisher seems to be pleasantly consistent. As Penguin said, his worst offense thus far is trying to keep from promoting activity.
Topsummoner claims village-aligned, with no further details, and is somewhat defending Lander. I have yet to see the logic behind the defense.
Riptide is being Riptide.
Jaron, Ex Rex, and Aragorn are quiet. In order: Somewhat understandable due to real life schedules, not understandable unless "fml, can't connect to rv" happened again, and nothing new there.

Once again. I want my "Yes" or "No" from Lander before I put my final thoughts on what I feel is the accuracy of the above list.

Alright, I got ninja'd with my answer.

It's my belief that either Landerpurex or Dr Henry is Mafia.
I substantiate my claim with the fact that I withheld one single condition to my role. I not only kill off whoever hammers me, but if I die by the night phase, my assailant goes down with me. It was hoped that I would be killed off tonight after putting in every two cents I had to put in, or survive until the very endgame. "Kikori's alive! Must be mafia!" The clever mafia waits, hammers me... and goes down with me.

But wait, there's more. See what that means for the roles? We have three people who effectively cause problems for the Mafia in the night. We have three Unlynchables. You may as well make us Masons if it's the truth, a game where we survive to the end would mean the Mafia are at such a loss for actions that the game could not be won. Despite Godders' inexperience at hosting, I firmly believe that he would NOT make such a mistake. We are minus a Doctor, so yes, increased power roles is understandable. But look at the list again.
Vigilante / Serial Killer.
Detective.
Tracker. (Monk Basher.)
Bomb. (Me.)
Bulletproof.
Paranoid Gun Owner.
Roleblocker. (Potentially mafia, but unconfirmed alignment. Potentially Jailkeeper.)
Either five or six village-aligned power roles, where one of them can't be killed by a Serial Killer (thus ruining the Serial Killer's chances at victory, which I believe means we have a Vigilante). I heavily, heavily doubt the above list is true. Two vengeful roles and one invincible role does not add up. If I am wrong about this, then Godders will never hear the end of it concerning the balance of roles in a game.

Who between Henry and Lander do I think is mafia? To be honest, Landerpurex. The gut's not settled down, bro. Afraid to say, I don't think you're one of the good guys.

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