Mafia 15 - A Party Game - Day 8

Spirographed · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 8:43 am

Riptide wrote:

Guys, here's what really goes on. Mentos is a lying little- Ugh..... Look, for some odd reason, things in the Rp and Lit Society don't appear on the View Active Topcs thing, so I finally got fed up enough to click the forum link. But it was too late. Already N1. Aaaannyways, I've never had that stupid FB convo with him. I don't even know he has one. Soooo.....mentos He's most likely not a jester. He is mafia thinking that we'll think of him as jester, but that was made too obvious.

UNVOTE

Sighence · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 9:06 am

Y'all don't read long posts much, do you? Here's the most important bit for today's purposes:

Monk Basher wrote:

I'm going with Riptide for tacitly going along with mentos's silencing claim. Who would do this? He wasn't silenced. Town would have a vested interest in speaking. Mafia, not so much. I know he said that he didn't see the link, but I don't buy it. It's too convenient. He knew the game was on; he got a role PM, also breaking that theory.

Kikori · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 9:29 am

Dr Henry wrote:

Oh, I'm confident enough that Lander is a mafia to be willing to take that risk. By all means, kill me off if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

In the past I've gone through games using some logic, but also a large amount of gut instinct. As a vigilante I managed 5 mafia kills using it, as a detective I found 2 mafia using it.

In much the same way, my gut instinct is telling me that one, or both of you, is mafia. However, for reasons which I shall keep private for now, I'm not going to push for a lynch on Kikori, as several plausible theories in my mind tell me that it could be a bad move, so my vote stands for Lander.

If your vote for Lander stands, then I don't need to defend him.

I am curious, however, about both your 'private' reasons and why you're afraid to attack me directly, Henry. You think one or both of us is mafia, but at the same time, you want to avoid attacking the one suspecting another of being a villager. The only conclusion I can draw from that is you think I may have a power role, but that leaves a very large gap in logic. Reason being, if I'm a power role, whatever I did to suspect Lander as a villager would be geared toward actually proving that, else I'd have said "Hey, guys, my role says Lander's a mafia, let's kill him".
What's worse is I can't see the link between killing who I suspect of being a villager and that in any way causing my theory to be proof of being mafia. So what are you afraid of with attacking me? I'm just plain curious. :?:

Sighence · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 9:41 am

He believes you to be bussing Lander (the whole 'refusal to join' thing being a smokescreen) and is willing to vote him to test his theory instead of you because you're too valuable to lose as town.

Frankly, it's just as plausible as believing you. I'm just not as paranoid (for once).

twinArmageddons · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 10:11 am

Monk Basher wrote:

I'm just not as paranoid (for once).

Oh?

Kikori · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 10:27 am

Um...

kikori kid wrote:

Tahu's

How is that bussing Lander, again? And how's calling him a villager bussing him...? I can understand people being a little paranoid, but there's seriously some steps in the train of thought that I'm just not seeing. :?:

Landerpurex · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 10:36 am

Monk Basher wrote:

He believes you to be bussing Lander...instead of you because you're too valuable to lose as town.

Oh, thanks. :spite:

So are we turning the other cheek with Discrimin right now? :?:

A blatant disregard for the rules and apparently knowing that Ex Rex was going to die? Not to even mention his messed up vote for kikori for next to no reason...I guess this is one of those "lynch him when we get around to it" moments.

There are a few people who are striking me as suspicious and Monk beat me to the list. I'm the list maker, noob. :spite:

I can agree with Steely about bluecoat, he's not being himself at all.

Monk's suggestion of Animal having a role as well as his vote for riptide make me suspicious of him. Why in the world would riptide purposefully stay silent and lead us to believe that he had broken the rules, even if he were scum? I'd argue that if he were scum he'd defend himself as soon as he were able to oust mentos and make clear his own (scummy) name. Couple that with the fact that at least riptide is a semi active poster, and that he's an incredibly easy lynch target, I don't think Monk's vote is very smart at all.

Doc Henry's recent rise in activity kinda bothers me. If I'm not mistaken, the first meaningful post you made was late on D2 when you said something about both kikori and I both being scum. It could be him getting into his groove. Also...what exactly are you getting at, Doc? What are you hoping to accomplish with that vote? You've accused me of being mafia and of consorting with kikori and this whole recruit thing is a ruse...all I can say is "No, I'm not scum. No, it's not a ploy." Since that's the only piece of evidence you have, I can't really refute it or defend myself. I will say two things: I wasn't kidding when I said I wouldn't be ready for another mafia role after mafia 14. Did you read that thread? I poured my damn heart and soul into that game, there's no way I'd be trying a fake recruiter thing now, if ever; for this very reason. Trying to falsify anything as scum instantly puts you in the limelight. I'd also argue that kikori would never take that kind of initiative if he were scum as well. I was suspicious of him defending me at first but...he's not deviating from his usual playstyle, so either I'm paranoid or he's finally decided to give being scum a proper run. His not wanting to attack kikori either strikes me as strange, he's pretty much covered all of his butts here. If kikori comes up as scum, he's right. If kikori comes up town, he's also right. :/

Secondly, it's really easy for people to latch onto the whole lander and kikori thing and speculate on that rather than try to scumhunt people who are less involved. Inactives are always, always mafia's number one problem, and if we don't get them posting now, we'll be screwed after all of our active players are killed off. So in this regard I find Doc's whole spiel as well as his vote suspicious.

Votes are split up enough as it is so I'll ignore my own advice about inactives for now, but Top is probably the most blatant offender at this moment. I WILL be voting Discrimin8 before the day is up, if/when that's the way things are going.

I'll also add that I'm baffled by the mafia's kill choices. I'd have expected two veterans to have been killed off (no offense to tanks or ex rexnub). No complaints here but...this could easily mean that Monk, Steely, and/or Doc are scum.

Sighence · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 10:42 am

Aren't we hilarious, DC.

Only reason I'm not voting discrimin8 is because Paid should modkill him. I'll switch if it comes down to the wire as well.

I've said all there is to say about why I believe Riptide to be scum, and I've yet to see a valid reason for him ignoring the thread put forth, so I don't know what's up there. I guess it's the same with kik's inability to see why he's a bit of a target. At any rate, there's nothing more for me to say here, honestly, at least until discrimin8 is dead.

Landerpurex · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 10:51 am

Monk Basher wrote:

Aren't we hilarious, DC.

Only reason I'm not voting discrimin8 is because Paid should modkill him. I'll switch if it comes down to the wire as well.

I've said all there is to say about why I believe Riptide to be scum, and I've yet to see a valid reason for him ignoring the thread put forth, so I don't know what's up there. I guess it's the same with kik's inability to see why he's a bit of a target. At any rate, there's nothing more for me to say here, honestly, at least until discrimin8 is dead.

He claimed he couldn't see the thread and when he got it worked out, it was too late. He is posting on a PSP after all. Two, that doesn't change the fact that he's far too easy of a lynch target for a veteran to be starting a train on him. The only good thing that comes of it is if it takes off too quickly and he comes up town, we'll know there were some mafia on the lynch.

Kikori · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 11:08 am

So rather than get something achieved, Monk you'd rather do Paidea's job for him? It's much more fun to just let that fact ruin the game and blame Paidea for bad hosting. That, and it's much more fun to actually go with who you think is scummy for scummy reasons.

Quote:

I was suspicious of him defending me at first but...he's not deviating from his usual playstyle, so either I'm paranoid or he's finally decided to give being scum a proper run.

I'll have you know I've made honest runs before this, too. >:C Lander.

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:shifty:

Henry again. Still want to know how you're connecting this crazy logic of yours.

Steely Mallon · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 11:16 am

If Discrimin8 gave away his alignment talking outside of the thread, he should be modkilled. Period. One, it's a huge transgression of the rules. Two, if it is left to the players rather than the host to kill him, it potentially causes the town to pay for his fault by forcing the players to waste a lynch to do so.

I'm with Monk, I'm going to go one playing this day normally and let Paidea do what he feels fit.

Paidea · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 1:01 pm

Bad hosting? How am I supposed to control players breaking the rules Anyways, Dicrimin8, the Capo, has been smited. The day will continue with 13 players, so 7 votes still needed to lynch.

The mafia is being compensated (only very slightly) for this incident.

Kikori · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 1:10 pm

Thank you, now I neither have to press Monk for new actions nor vote for him via out-of-game evidence.

Spirographed · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 1:17 pm

Justice is served, negros. Sweetness.

Scar · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 1:47 pm

Monk Basher wrote:

Y'all don't read long posts much, do you? Here's the most important bit for today's purposes:

Monk Basher wrote:

I'm going with Riptide for tacitly going along with mentos's silencing claim. Who would do this? He wasn't silenced. Town would have a vested interest in speaking. Mafia, not so much. I know he said that he didn't see the link, but I don't buy it. It's too convenient. He knew the game was on; he got a role PM, also breaking that theory.

If you remember, we had to wait awhile for the game to actually get going after we got our Role PMs. No offense meant here, but knowing how Riptide is I have no trouble believing he forgot about the game. Grant it he should have remembered to check back often.

As for the link, I think he uses the "View New Posts" link at the top of the forum to see new posts since he is on the PSP. It is very possible something was broken on his end so it wasn't displaying correctly.

Also Day 1 is never serious business, everyone talks and rarely does anything come of it. Meaning speaking D1 wouldn't really have much benefit to either group. If anything you have it backwards and the Mafia would be more interested in speaking to try and establish themselves as active/semi-helpful villagers.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 1:54 pm

Monk Basher wrote:

Topsummoner was the first to point out the card thing, which is only used as a role distribution method in real-life games. I'll say something here that I kinda wanted to keep safe: I have a role. I'm not telling what presently. I had no mention of cards prior to reading the thread. I see theorizing about cards to be a useless distraction. Top has played enough to know this. I think he's scum

I've never played a real-life mafia game, so I was unaware about the cards. I was honestly wondering what they meant: knowing Paidea's games, it could've been something relevant to the game. Anyways, as I recall I brought them up in my first post of the game: I was getting conversation going; what was there to possibly be distracting you FROM?

And geez, I am inactive. I honestly keep losing interest due to the incredibly long night phases. Now I know how Upick players feel :glare:

I have not been paying attention enough to have much of an opinion of anyone. All I can say at this point is I believe Kikori is a villager due to the alleged recruiting attempt and his helpful and active playstyle is generally how he plays when he's village from what I recall.

More thoughts will hopefully come later.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 1:57 pm

Scar wrote:

f you remember, we had to wait awhile for the game to actually get going after we got our Role PMs. No offense meant here, but knowing how Riptide is I have no trouble believing he forgot about the game. Grant it he should have remembered to check back often.

If YOU remember, Riptide replaced Orangequest, immediately before the start of Day 1. He could not have possibly forgotten he was in the game.

FOS: Scar

Topsummoner · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 1:58 pm

Hate to triple post, but on second thought I may as well vote Scar instead of keeping my vote on nothing.

Riptide · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 2:06 pm

Monk Basher wrote:

I'm going with Riptide for tacitly going along with mentos's silencing claim. Who would do this? He wasn't silenced.

Riptide wrote:

Guys, here's what really goes on. Mentos is a lying little- Ugh..... Look, for some odd reason, things in the Rp and Lit Society don't appear on the View Active Topcs thing, so I finally got fed up enough to click the forum link. But it was too late. Already N1. Aaaannyways, I've never had that stupid FB convo with him. I don't even know he has one. Soooo.....>Vote here< He's most likely not a jester. He is mafia thinking that we'll think of him as jester, but that was made too obvious.

Lolz

Tahu 1000 · **Posted:** August 5th, 2010, 3:49 pm

Meh, try using a computer for once. Makes things a whole lot easier. I can barely surf on my Wii, never mind a PSP.
As for my "trustingness," I'm just not seeing a lot of major mistakes by people. I've yet to bandwagon on anyone except Mentos, and he was, quite literally, asking for it.
On the Lander/Kikori issue, I'd like to ask a question: Kikori, do you have any reasoning or evidence beyond what you have currently posted that would substantiate Lander as a pro-town role? I think your reasoning is sound, except that you easily dismiss the idea that Lander is playing at "200%." It seems as though this could easily dissolve into a WIFOM. I don't really have any reasons to explicitly distrust Lander, but I'm trying to weigh your defense of him.

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