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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 4:05 pm 
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Well. I haven't showed a single bit of scum behaviour, and have voted on the anti-mafia trains. I've said what my role is, and have explained how it works. The whole DC thing just does not add up for me, and if I'm wrong then Scar would have some explaining to do, and not me.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 4:22 pm 
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I kinda feel as if this is relevant to bring up -- on the Dawn of Day 3, Scar told us that I had been attacked and saved, Steely was killed by a large knife.

At the Dawn of Day 5, Paidea was killed, and his weapon was a collection of knives.
Ruling Paidea out as my attacker, that would leave the mafia as my attacker. Branching from that, to plan something like that as mafia completely relies on the luck of the draw with whom they attack of their own and the detective saving them.

Just saying.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 4:26 pm 
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I keep forgetting that you were attacked. :facepalm:

Yeah, I'm definitely not getting on that train.

I guess my vote for PG stands, but I doubt we're going to get a lynch today unless someone changes their mind.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 4:26 pm 
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Naked Snake wrote:
I kinda feel as if this is relevant to bring up -- on the Dawn of Day 3, Scar told us that I had been attacked and saved, Steely was killed by a large knife.

At the Dawn of Day 5, Paidea was killed, and his weapon was a collection of knives.
Ruling Paidea out as my attacker, that would leave the mafia as my attacker. Branching from that, to plan something like that as mafia completely relies on the luck of the draw with whom they attack of their own and the detectivedoctor saving them.

Just saying.



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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 4:28 pm 
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What page were you attacked on DC, I might not have been here for that.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 4:35 pm 
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What page were you attacked on DC, I might not have been here for that.


Hi.

Was the day before you came into the game, I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 4:38 pm 
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Meh. You could have been protecting yourself that night, and it was in fact a villager that could have been after you. I'm not convinced that you are a detective, @ ALL.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 4:48 pm 
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Meh. You could have been protecting yourself that night, and it was in fact a villager that could have been after you. I'm not convinced that you are a detective, @ ALL.


Outside of the fact that:
It'd be impossible for me to protect myself, given Scar stated he wanted to have a simplified version of the game
There have been no other instances of other killers

you might have been on to something.

However, given the fact that: The game is simplified, there have been no other killers besides Paidea and the Mafia, and the fact that I have, without fail, given 100% accurate reports, you're wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 7:54 pm 
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Jaron died of a screwdriver. Janitor'd. Mafia kill.

Dragon was attacked, but was saved. Mafia attack.
Steely had a knife in his face, was dismembered, and burned. Paidea'd.

Tweedy was dead in the middle of the floor with a tux. Janitor'd.
Tahu was killed by a flaming sword that was cutting him in half. Paidea'd.

TheAnimal was stabbed numerous times. Paidea'd?
Paidea was shot in the back. Mafia? No Janitor action, after all, so no. Then who?

Topsummoner was shot multiple times. Mafia'd, or Defeat'd?

Ladies and gentlemen, my theory.

Look at the description of Paidea's kills. His involve two elements; swords, and fire. Steely was stabbed, dismembered, and burned. Tahu had a sword on fire going down his body. For absolute sure, Scar had made sure by this point that his kills would be more descriptive.

So where does that leave us? TheAnimal was stabbed numerous times, but not burned. Therefore, I propose that TheAnimal was stabbed to death, leaving Paidea to visit Defeat. This would result in him being shot, and the mafia being completely unable to make a Janitor move on him. Why was Riptide unable to make a janitor move that night? I have no idea. But my theory is that the above is true, and Defeat's ability is a one-shot. Too many killing possibilities would spoil a game... I proved that with my Upick (on accident folks, sorry >.<). With that, DragonCrusher1 would therefore be allowed to investigate Defeat without fear of getting a bullet hole in the back.
'Tis a theory. The lack of any Janitor movements disrupts it, but it seems to answer why Dragon wouldn't die for investigating Defeat.

I'm very highly, totally, and fully ready to believe Dragon over Defeat about their role. Dragon was attacked and saved on a night where the Mafia and Paidea were the ones moving about; he's, if nothing else, a villager in my eyes. He's had no reason to lie thus far about being a detective, either.
My suspicion still lies on one of the "investigated". As detective-confirmed villagers, they're good to make any claims via a get-out-of-lynch-free card, courtesy of Justin. I'd like one more night to see how the mafia kill works; there's a very potential pattern there that may settle two suspicions at once.
For the time being, PenguinGuy. Inactive, less-than-trolling since the start, and less-than-rolling along with us.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 8:40 pm 
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Guys, I didn't post yesterday because Riptide was lynched a mere FIVE HOURS after day stated, and the day didn't even last 12 hours. I just posted now because I got an eye scan and had my pupils dilated, and the optometrist recommended not using the computer for obvious reasons.

Anyway, I am the Doctor. I forgot to protect N1, protected Dragon N2 (because he was one of only two that didn't get on the Bluecoat train) and every night since. That would explain why he didn't die from your role defeat.

So, seeing as the only two people left unconfirmed are Kikori and Jackstick, here's my game plan.

Assuming that Scar was a good host and made an even 1/3 Mafia Villager ratio (12 villagers 4 mafia(or actually 11 villagers,1 SK, and 4 mafia)) we can say that there is one mafia left.

So, we lynch either Kik or Jack today, I protect DC and he investigate me in the case that I don't die, but if I do die, tomorrow there will be 4 left, and you guys lynch the one not lynched today.

That should work assuming 1/3 ratio. (if Scar made 5 mafia, simply kill both of them)

So today, we lynch Jackstick (he already has a vote on him) and if the game doesn't end scum you guys lynch kik.

One last thing, if anyone has any sort of killing role they've not told us about, kill kikori kid tonight, which should win us the game.

Come on, let's win this!

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 8:49 pm 
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You protected DC. That's all I needed to know.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 8:52 pm 
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P.S. Just to let everyone know, my PM says nothing about my self-protection being a 1 time thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 8:58 pm 
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So, we lynch either Kik or Jack today, I protect DC and he investigate me in the case that I don't die, but if I do die, tomorrow there will be 4 left, and you guys lynch the one not lynched today.

That should work assuming 1/3 ratio. (if Scar made 5 mafia, simply kill both of them)

So today, we lynch Jackstick (he already has a vote on him) and if the game doesn't end scum you guys lynch kik.

One last thing, if anyone has any sort of killing role they've not told us about, kill kikori kid tonight, which should win us the game.

Come on, let's win this!


From that point on in your post, it pretty much turns to absolute derp.

If you're really the doctor and you're protecting Dragon, you're going to die. The mafia are on their last legs, and with you standing between them and Dragon, the only chance for them left is to kill him and pull a very impressive four-death coup. The only reason you have any room to be investigated is to get a "villager" confirmation on you, not a doctor one.
The fact that you want to get yourself investigated instead of investigate the last possible variable (me) shows you either have horrible planning, or are trying to pull said impressive coup without giving Dragon a chance to get a "Mafia" read on the yet-to-be-lynched Godfather.

Scar. At this point, there's absolutely no chance confirming / denying this will ruin the game, only potentially change the direction. If the Godfather is investigated, will he show up as a Villager? Paidea once said to leave it as a hypothetical, but that's not good enough anymore. This needs to be answered.

If the answer is "Yes", we have no need of the Detective power anymore. It's down to logic.
If the answer is "No", we have three unconfirmed players. Me, Penguin, and Jackstick, one set to die. Between one to two nights to investigate as well.

I'm a villager. Again, I wish I could (counter)claim doctor, but I'd be lying. The fact that I'm alive and not been investigated is curious to me.
Penguin's claimed doctor. Again, if the Godfather shows villager, there's no way to debunk this claim except by a counterclaim. If the Godfather shows mafia, I would like him investigated. We can safely say there's no framer, after all.
Jackstick needs to die, though the only reason I'm not voting for him is due to wanting Scar's answer.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 9:07 pm 
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Kikori, I was personally going back and forth on that point my self.

(The next two paragraphs assume Jackstick is a villager)

If he investigates me, and I dont die, then It proves I'm telling the truth and that you are mafia. If I die, then that leaves you as the only unconfirmed villager.

If he investigates you, and I die, then he would find you mafia, and you would get lynched, and if I die, you will still be investigated as mafia, and be lynched.

So I guess he could investigate you, the only difference between the two being that with one you would be the only unconfirmed, and with the other you are found mafia, but there is a possibility that I am unconfirmed.

So with that, you may actually be right, and he should investigate you.

But regardless, we need you to vote for Jackstick.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 9:14 pm 
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It doesn't "prove" I'm mafia. Your entire argument hinges on two factors.
One is that you're actually the doctor.
Two is that the Godfather is investigated as a Mafia.

Lander and Jackstick are very much still in a position to counterclaim, though we can very much expect Jack not to. So I'm waiting on Lander in this regard; I wouldn't put it past him to hide his role once he's founded as a "villager", but not one with a role. And I want an answer from Scar about the Godfather's investigation.

Until then, no vote. Sorry.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 9:19 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 9:22 pm 
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kikori kid wrote:
One is that you're actually the doctor.

Fine then, I'll wait for Lander's roleclaim. Jack already claimed villager.
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Two is that the Godfather is investigated as a Mafia.

Sure you can ask Scar, he may not answer. I don't think he made the Godfater that way, one, because to my knowledge it hasn't ever been played that way, and Two, Scar say he's sticking to a traditional game, which I would assume means traditional roles.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 9:24 pm 
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So I guess we're waiting for Lander and Scar.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 9:30 pm 
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fffff

I only wish I could counterclaim doctor, but I cannot.

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I hope this is it, because if it isn't, we've got one hell of a mess on our hands.

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 Post subject: Re: Mafia 14 - Armageddon - Day 6
PostPosted: June 11th, 2010, 9:33 pm 
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kikori kid wrote:
One is that you're actually the doctor.

Fine then, I'll wait for Lander's roleclaim. Jack already claimed villager.
kikori kid wrote:
Two is that the Godfather is investigated as a Mafia.

Sure you can ask Scar, he may not answer. I don't think he made the Godfater that way, one, because to my knowledge it hasn't ever been played that way, and Two, Scar say he's sticking to a traditional game, which I would assume means traditional roles.


Point one? Thank you.
Point two?

Wikipedia wrote:
the Godfather, on the other hand, appears innocent despite being the Mafia leader.[33]


Wiki Guides wrote:
The Godfather comes up town-aligned, though this can change either when one member of his crew is killed or all the other members are killed, depending on the moderator’s preference.


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The Godfather is a member of the mafia who is immune to investigation. If the Godfather is investigated, he will come up innocent.


echochamber.me wrote:
This is the leader of the mafia, they appear pro town to cops


Conventionally? The Godfather appears a villager.

W have until the THIRTEENTH for an answer from Scar. Last possible answer to the puzzle lies here.

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