The Draft - Game over. Team A wins!

Paidea · **Posted:** March 26th, 2010, 11:19 pm

Sorry for the delay, been out of town the past two days. Expect complete update in less than an hour.

~Paidea

Paidea · **Posted:** March 26th, 2010, 11:52 pm

The generic town mayor looked flabbergasted. From the appearance of things, it had been a very bloody night. Still, he had laughed out loud and rolled on the floor. "A bittersweet night for the village."

Blackmage172 (B), Mafia Godfather, has died a bloody death. Venturing into Blackmage172's no longer secret fort, the townspeople found him stabbed in the face. They praised whoever had committed the act before moving on.

Topsummoner (C), Detective, has died a bloody death. Stepping into Topsummoner's house, they found a toy top lodged right in the middle of his aorta.

Day 2 has begun. 11 players remain, 6 votes required for a lynch.

bluecoat · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 12:37 am

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Why would Steely come out D1 and hurt his overall chances of winning the game? A roleclaim like that puts a rather large target on your back. Compile that with the knowledge that Steely is a very solid mafia player I'm a bit perplexed he'd offer up his role like he did, and potentially effect not only the towns chance at a mutual victory but his factions chance at a shared victory.

Granted he found something that might be worth the overall potential sacrifice, the chance to cap the cultists before they become upstart, the fact that Top and Tahu followed him without much thought not to... Are they team aligned? If so, what team do they play for?

Frank for the time being. Nobody fake claims D2, especially when chance are they have two allegiances. Your point seems forced from my perspective, and considering Animals allegiances, even moreso.

bluecoat · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 12:42 am

Sorry, I meant D1. Pretty much the same.

Tweedy · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 2:37 am

Frank always did strike me as the person who would be branded at college as the "student most likely to become a successful cult leader".

Frank

Topsummoner · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 8:12 am

Dommot.

Scar · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 8:22 am

Frank seemed quiteeager to stop us from lynching TheAnimal when it was all but confirmed that he was a cultist.

I see no other reason to do that than trying to protect a fellow Cultist.

Thyker · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 9:43 am

Really mafia/vig/cult/whoever?

You kill BOTH people I had suspicions about?

Well, I've got nothing for today, atm.

Frank 4.0.1 · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 11:16 am

I'm on Team B. Which means that I've seen both my drafter die and a person in my team being lynched. (As well as now a mafia... this is awesome.) Unfortunate this player also was only partially on my team. Which is also why I wanted to figure out whom, if anyone, did he get to or better yet, whom if anyone I can trust on my team. You guys act as if we need to pull the trigger the moment we have any lead without taking time to figure this game out. This is not a traditionally played mafia game... With so many different ways to win a game, it's silly to rush through it.

Too many people have potential alternative motives (and roles) to take just in stride. As a villager I will tell you this... I think we all know something about this game we're holding on to. Based solely on the role I was given, I'd say that the majority of us have a role that gives us the ability to win the game as individuals.

At some point we have to decide to either A) Come clean about what side we're on and pull for a mutual villager win between teams A, B, and C. Or B) We just keep going as we are and hope for the best.

Scar wrote:

Frank seemed quiteeager to stop us from lynching TheAnimal when it was all but confirmed that he was a cultist.

I see no other reason to do that than trying to protect a fellow Cultist.

That's not a bandwagon vote at all...

If anything in the haste to kill someone whom we can all assume was prime to die that day anyway was a total waste on our part. In just hammering Animal we missed out on our potential ability to find out about him and what he knows. If we knew he was the most obvious target, there was no harm in waiting to take care of him as quickly as we did. At the very least we could have came up with a cogent plan for victory in this game. We did neither.

Answer me these two questions...
1) What was the rush to kill Animal and what did you gain in doing so?
2) How does calling for time show an eagerness to "stop a lynch?"

However, being the brilliant person I am, I'll counter your non-sequitur logic with a OMGUS vote. Scar.

With Love, Frank.

Blackmage172 · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 11:55 am

Do you know Kimball?

*dies*

Tahu 1000 · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 6:10 pm

Frank, the way it's going, pulling for a mutual village win is harder than going for a team win at this point, especially with the detective down. Also, as you mentioned, all the villagers are hiding things, which makes scumtells much harder to differentiate (because all villagers are, in a way, part of at least one mafia-like entity).
Also, trying to figure out what Animal knew would be like trying to reason with a terrorist. With that much pressure on him to lynch, he would have probably tried to lie his way out of things. For the record, I was sure Animal was the Cult Leader because of Steely's investigation, but apparently the real leader got to Animal before Steely (not sure how the order of those actions works).

Frank 4.0.1 · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 7:11 pm

Tahu 1000 wrote:

Frank, the way it's going, pulling for a mutual village win is harder than going for a team win at this point, especially with the detective down. Also, as you mentioned, all the villagers are hiding things, which makes scumtells much harder to differentiate (because all villagers are, in a way, part of at least one mafia-like entity).
Also, trying to figure out what Animal knew would be like trying to reason with a terrorist. With that much pressure on him to lynch, he would have probably tried to lie his way out of things. For the record, I was sure Animal was the Cult Leader because of Steely's investigation, but apparently the real leader got to Animal before Steely (not sure how the order of those actions works).

It's amazing what information you can get from terrorists... Either way, we don't know what we were going to get from him and now we'll never know. It's entirely possible he doesn't give us anything of use to us in the later game... It's possible he does... Either way there still was no benefit to hammer him as quickly as what happened and there still can be nothing said that there was no plan formed for victory.

Scar wrote:

Frank seemed quiteeager to stop us from lynching TheAnimal when it was all but confirmed that he was a cultist.I see no other reason to do that than trying to protect a fellow Cultist.

The one thing I forgot about in my previous post is this... I haven't played mafia in awhile, but it hasn't been that long. Why would I protect Animal to put a target on myself for that? There isn't much logic in that.

And one last bit of wisdom. Watch how people vote in this game... If people tend to follow one another with the same exact vote... They're probably on the same team. Just sayin' in case I don't have the option to say it later.

PenguinGuy · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 8:41 pm

Unfortunately I've been away since Sunday, I need to read what's happened since then >.<

PenguinGuy · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 9:17 pm

Okay, after read the topic, my personal belief is that most of what Frank has said has made sense. Except the part about trying to get information from TheAnimal, because I don't think he would give any info.

Also, I think it would be most beneficial if Steely tells us his 50 things, that way we can give opions as to what he should ask paidea about.

Tweedy · **Posted:** March 27th, 2010, 10:54 pm

Tahu 1000 wrote:

Frank, the way it's going, pulling for a mutual village win is harder than going for a team win at this point, especially with the detective down. Also, as you mentioned, all the villagers are hiding things, which makes scumtells much harder to differentiate (because all villagers are, in a way, part of at least one mafia-like entity).

He just flat out admitted to not wanting the village to win. Yet nobody even did a double take?

Scar · **Posted:** March 28th, 2010, 10:39 am

Tweedy wrote:

Tahu 1000 wrote:

Frank, the way it's going, pulling for a mutual village win is harder than going for a team win at this point, especially with the detective down. Also, as you mentioned, all the villagers are hiding things, which makes scumtells much harder to differentiate (because all villagers are, in a way, part of at least one mafia-like entity).

He just flat out admitted to not wanting the village to win. Yet nobody even did a double take?

I think everyone may be a bit more sympathetic towards their own team this time around than anything. Besides, you pointed it out but didn't vote or pursue it either.

Steely Mallon · **Posted:** March 28th, 2010, 5:40 pm

First of all, last night I drove myself and Penguin, so if the cult leader attempted to recruit me they'd get Penguin instead. Can't say what that makes Penguin now because I don't know if the cult leader did in fact try to recruit me, but my point is just that I'm clean.

As for revealing my fifty things, I really would rather not. If I keep them to myself, I'll always have some tricks up my sleeve to get myself past mafia and cult (killing/recruiting me, that is). I'm worried, though, that giving them away will make me a much easier target.

Frank: You say you are a member of Team B. I can understand perfectly well why you'd be hesitant to vote for Animal, and it's a perfectly logical reaction as it is to ask people to take their time. However, at this point, you have only one team member left; quite frankly, I don't think it will be possible for you to win with your team. Also, chances are, the cult leader is a member of your team. What better way to guarantee victory than avoid conflict between team and faction? So, I believe that the cult leader is either you or your remaining teammate. If you turn over your teammate, you'll have a fair shot at living. I think you mentioned something about having a role; I would like to weigh that claim against the other Team B member. If not though, I'd see no reason not to lynch you.

Landerpurex · **Posted:** March 28th, 2010, 6:08 pm

Steely Mallon wrote:

Frank: You say you are a member of Team B. I can understand perfectly well why you'd be hesitant to vote for Animal, and it's a perfectly logical reaction as it is to ask people to take their time. However, at this point, you have only one team member left; quite frankly, I don't think it will be possible for you to win with your team. Also, chances are, the cult leader is a member of your team. What better way to guarantee victory than avoid conflict between team and faction? So, I believe that the cult leader is either you or your remaining teammate. If you turn over your teammate, you'll have a fair shot at living. I think you mentioned something about having a role; I would like to weigh that claim against the other Team B member. If not though, I'd see no reason not to lynch you.

In rare landerpurex fashion, I agree with this completely and support the notion. :?:

Actually, at this point, since frank has come out and we know his team is crippled as it is, I'd be willing to say there's no reason not to lynch him anyway. He's an opposing team (to whomever, most of us), there will be no mutual village win (you guys know exactly what I'm talking about) so we might as well take out some of the competition. :?:

However, we ought to think about focusing on the mafia first. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if factions had weird winning conditions. Yeah, this is gonna get messy.

Thyker · **Posted:** March 28th, 2010, 7:07 pm

Landerpurex wrote:

(you guys know exactly what I'm talking about)

Actually, no I don't. Care to clarify Landerpurex?

Frank 4.0.1 · **Posted:** March 28th, 2010, 7:34 pm

Landerpurex wrote:

Actually, at this point, since frank has come out and we know his team is crippled as it is, I'd be willing to say there's no reason not to lynch him anyway. He's an opposing team (to whomever, most of us), there will be no mutual village win (you guys know exactly what I'm talking about) so we might as well take out some of the competition. :?:

You're obviously aware there is still a mafia presence lurking out there. So this logic just throws me for a loop. Yes I'm on an opposing faction to you, but you've got everything wrong in this idea...

Your argument reads something like this... "He's on Team B, so villager or cultist, we A and C group members win regardless of his death." The problem with that is that if you're going to try a team win, you'd want to keep me alive. Your team wins if you're able to remove the rest of the villager factions and mafia. If I'm on Team B and a villager, then your odds are significantly better for a team victory if you keep me around, provided your teams players stays strong. After all, what threat am I ultimately to your team? My team has been struck with three kills, we're on our last ropes. There's no way I'd be able to stalemate a vote or gain majority over your team, provided again that I'm only a villager.

So I'm tended to believe there is something Lander needs to elaborate on.

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Frank: You say you are a member of Team B. I can understand perfectly well why you'd be hesitant to vote for Animal, and it's a perfectly logical reaction as it is to ask people to take their time. However, at this point, you have only one team member left; quite frankly, I don't think it will be possible for you to win with your team. Also, chances are, the cult leader is a member of your team. What better way to guarantee victory than avoid conflict between team and faction? So, I believe that the cult leader is either you or your remaining teammate. If you turn over your teammate, you'll have a fair shot at living. I think you mentioned something about having a role; I would like to weigh that claim against the other Team B member. If not though, I'd see no reason not to lynch you.

The law of probability would suggest that my final partner would be clean. However, Monk Basher is a bit of a noob, so it's entirely possible to have drafted such a poisoned team. Regardless, if I gave you a name it would then become a choice between him or myself to be lynched. This has very little benefit to me and would hurt my overall chances of winning this game more then it would help. I'd simply be alive longer to see it all unfold. So no dice. My teammate might have recruited Animal, somebody else might have. I'm not going to throw a person under the bus to drag myself out if it means that I'll be heading straight into oncoming traffic anyways. I can handle being the lone member of Team B, but I'm not going to expose myself to it if comments like Lander's gains ground.

However, I'm not opposed to telling you about my own role. I've been designated the "Warlock." I have a victory condition in which if I can guess two mafia victims the night they happen, I win. Last night I chose Lander... The night before I didn't choose at all.

The Draft - Game over. Team A wins!

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