Anyway. My favorite song by Metallica is Enter Sandman. IDK why, it just rocks. Or Master Of Puppets.

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I got the new album, its pretty good.

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Haven't heard the new album, but I quite like some of Metallica's older songs. ^^ I even have a CD where Apocalyptica plays Metallica-stuff on cellos, pretty cool stuff.

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WOOOOO! Someone I know recently turned me onto the apocalyptica stuff, and I love it. It's very different. I was amazed that they can play the solos of enter sandman and one on a cello. Lol that they can't play the faster one from Master of puppets, but no one is perfect.

As far as Metallica goes, they are and will always be my favorite band. They revolutionized metal throughout the 80's and are still putting out albums that top the charts in many countries over twenty years later, which seems impressive to me. To everyone who says "Metallica sucks" or "their recent albums suck", the rest of America doesn't agree with you. Look at the numbers, then stuff it.

Anyway. My favorite song is master of puppets. Favorite member: Cliff Burton. RIP. Other fav songs include harvester of sorrow, creeping death, seek n destroy, sad but true, enter sandman, one, king nothing.

K. I could keep going but eventually I would name all their songs save a few. There are a couple that I don't care for, and one I absolutely hate, which is Mama Said. First time I heard it I sat for like 20 mins trying to figure out what the heck it was....

My favorite album was Black, although I don't agree with them releasing five singles. But they are the mighty Met so whatever, I guess.

I hate how people say they sold out. They became more popular, and it seems the second a band draws attention from magazines, radios, and aren't stuck playing in a crappy club or bar, they've "sold out". I used to try to argue with people about it, but I quit. Tiresome work it was. It's fine if you don't like them, but at least have some respect for them. It's like I don't care for some older metal music. I can't stand jimi hendix, for example, but I respect him and everything he accomplished for the rock genre.

I enjoyed all of their albums collectively, but St. Anger was my least favorite. Most of the songs were an acquired taste, they had to grow on me before I could enjoy them. Which wasn't the case for any other album. Also, the absence of guitar solos was kind of disappointing, and I didn't really enjoy the new thing they were trying with the drums. But I was excited to hear Rob on the bass, and I really liked the lyrics of most of the songs, especially Some Kind of Monster.

I have to say the whole therapy thing bothered me, and that's all I'm gonna say about that. Glad they're over it, cuz it was pretty lame.

I like what I've heard of Death Magnetic so far, I've heard like 6 songs from the album. I plan on buying it, I gotta have the cash first though My fav song from DM has to be all nightmare long.

I don't think you can call yourself a fan if you abandon your band because they try something different or become successful. You should appreciate their vision, and be happy for their success. People are fickle, and will always try to find a way to criticize things. If their music had stayed the same, that would make them one dimensional and boring as a band. Instead, they chose to try something a little different, and because of that they "sold out". It's a lose-lose situation for Metallica with some people.

Oh yeah, gratz to them for being up for the hall of fame this year. I'm pretty sure you have to be a good band to get into the HoF

That's all for me. Sorry for the long, rambling post. Metallica is a touchy subject for me but anyway...

METAL UP YOUR !!!!!!!

(Metallica fans who "know their stuff" will know what I'm talking about here... )

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Learn what from him? He pretty much said all there is to say about Metallica - from now on, it'll be "I like 'em." or "They suck."

Me: I like them even though they suck. Fade to Black is good. The rest of their stuff got old. "One" is the most overrated song in the history of music.

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Sorry. I lied. I still visit. These two posts made me laugh so hard I think I bled out my ears.

W00tage to you my friend. Glad some people are on the same page.

Anyway, why are we laughing, devil? Not trying to be a smart , j/w what you found funny. I wanna be in on the joke too!

Andrey, why is fade to black their only good song? Is it because it's about suicide? You aren't one of those people who dye their hair black, wear black all the time, wear black nail polish, and have their bangs hang low over one eye and are constantly flicking them aside, are you? What are those people called......?

Glad you still like them even though they suck.

Anyway, I don't think One is overrated at all. I think it's a great song that is good in the lyrical as well as the musical department. It may seem a little lame that they got the inspiration from a movie, but the message is still great. Quite a few great songs are based on movies, like Godsmack's Voodoo is about an old Wes Craven film called the Serpent and the Rainbow. (messed up movie, but worth the watch )

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I believe the band you meant to refer to here was "Iron Maiden". Considering Metallica didn't really hit the big time till 1991 (With the Black Album). As to the sales figures, so what? Lots of generic pop/rap sells well. Doesn't mean it is quality music.



Master of Puppets rocks .



...Five singles? Almost half their album in singles :S.



Being popular does not mean that you have sold out. People do not accuse Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, etc, of selling out.



What happens when the band abandons you? If anything, selling out has made Metallica far more shallow than they would have been if they had kept their music the same. Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning had incredible depth to them, something which is lacking from their recent, generic attempts at a decent album.



More based on popularity, but yeah.

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Also, no. I didn't pay much attention to the lyrics, really. I think the first guitar solo is really beautiful sounding, and the acoustic guitar riff is one of the catchiest ever - although rather simple. I also like how it switches completely to a different tone and riff for the second half of the song, although Metallica does that a lot.


Wow, sarcasm. That's original.


Opinions are sweet. I think it gets way too much praise. The riff is uncreative, the lyrics are badly written, the vocals suck as always (on Fade to Black they're tolerable) and the solo is the best part of the song, although it's not saying much.

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Well said, magicana. I wish everyone else in this thread could be as civilized as you...

Anyway, I love Iron Maiden. They are an influential and amazing band in their own right. I was referring to how Metallica practically created thrash metal. They tried something that had never reached the ears of the world before, and it became successful.

It's true that they didn't hit it really big until Black, but they started to get some major attention after Ride the Lightning.

Yes, five singles. Enter Sandman, Sad But True, Wherever I May Roam, The Unforgiven, and Nothing Else Matters. Kind of strange, but I think maybe this contributed to their success? Five singles from one record is a bit ridiculous, but if they all are worthy of being a single, then why not? Like I said. The mighty Met. Their band, their decision.

It was mostly the crazy underground angry teenage fans that said they sold out. But still. People don't widely hate Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, etc. Also, their sound didn't change as significantly as Metallica's did, if at all. Listen to RTL and MOP and then listen to Black and tell me if it's the same band. I was pointing out how many people say that since their sound changed and they weren't pure thrash any more, they sold out. I think they had a vision to make better music that appealed to more people, while still keeping their true fans happy.

I quote Scott Ian when he says, "Why did they sell out? Because they made great music and sold millions of copies? Anyone who says that Metallica sold out, I'll fight you."
Do you want to try and fight Scott Ian? Me neither.

I honestly think that Cliff's death had something to do with their change, what do you guys think?

I don't understand how the Band abandoned us. They were ready to call it quits after Cliff died, then again multiple other times after that, but they didn't. Many people will say that they stayed together for the money, which is probably partly true. But I also believe that they stayed together for the fans.

If you want to talk about the Napster thing, fine. I knew it was gonna come up sooner or later, I might as well be the one to address it first. Yes, it was messed up. Yes, it was the wrong way to go about things. But, how would you feel if you were an artist and your unfinished piece of work was released to the mass public without your knowledge or consent? I'd be pretty mad.

I Disappear wasn't even supposed to be released on CD or any other form of production. It was supposed to be exclusively for the movie Mission Impossible II. Yes, it was bull crap for them to sue Napster. But it was also bull crap that some a-hole leaked an unfinished song onto the internet for mass downloading, when the exclusive rights to that song already belonged to the producers of the movie.

Napster was a great way for people to get free music, which some people love. Most, I should say, and that's fine for them. But, I don't agree with illegal or free downloading or file sharing. Go out and support your band, buy the real thing, for god's sake.

I don't understand how they sold out, either. Humans evolve to adapt to their times and surroundings, this is what Metallica did as a band, and they had massive success. Besides, they could never reproduce another album that comes even remotely close to Master of Puppets or Ride the Lightning, so why try? I think they realized this, and decided to start a new chapter in their musical career, which I respect.

I agree that their older albums have much more meaning, but I also believe that people let their older stuff overshadow their newer work, which isn't really fair. I don't think their new albums should be juxtaposed all the time with their older ones, they should be taken in and judged as if every album is Metallica's first. I think this way, people can take it in as is, instead of judging it immediately and saying "it's not as good as the old stuff." A lot of people say the same things about Black Sabbath, for example. "Nothing they ever make will be as good as 'Paranoid'".

I don't think it's fair to say all their albums after Master are shallow and poor attempts at music. They all still have depth, watch "Some Kind of Monster" or listen to some interviews. Listen to the lyrics. Its still good stuff, I think.

Andrey! You posted while I was responding to Magicana, so this post is gonna be extra-long post, so sorry everyone. It has good opinions and info, I think.

Anyway andrey, you look kinda angry in your pic. You look like an angry person.

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I agree that the music aspect of Fade to Black is amazing, although you should give the lyrics a try. Deep stuff.

Sorry for the sarcasm. Second language.

I agree One is overplayed and over liked by people who know nothing about metal, which is super annoying. The riff is simple, but I like it. I happen to like James' voice, it's unique. Although he sucks most of the time live. There was a small window of time in the 90s where he was awesome, but that's about it.

I think the lyrics are good. The song is about a guy who got all his limbs and stuff blown off by a landmine in WWII. He can't move or talk, but he's being kept alive by doctors and stuff. He just wants to die in peace, because he's in a lot of pain and his life as he knew it is obviously over. I think the song does a great job of explaining and paralleling his thoughts and feelings.

Good stuff.

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well, id give ya my feedback on all of this, but, i think lander has already said it lol.i agree with all his tsatements. he really knows his stuff . oh, and i like what im seeing in the thread.

EDIT: new poll up, my vote goes for S & M handsdown lol.

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I think I'm being pretty civilized. I could be way more annoying and become a flamer noob pretty fast. If you think I'm "raeging" (r-a-g-e, btw) then you've never been involved in a really bad flame war. It gets much worse than me, my friend.

If you don't like my long posts, then don't read them. That's fine. I know they're long, and I've already apologized for them more than once. I like Metallica, and I'm very opinionated about them. There's no rule in the great land of RV forum that sets a certain post length, so technically, they can be as long as I want them to be. By the way, you've read both of my longer ones and so has everyone else.

Andrey and Magicana both have different opinions than mine, and I appreciate theirs and I respectfully respond. Save the Fade to Black comment. I will apologize to Andrey for that, it's just there are many kids where I live that may be labled as "emo" or "goth" that think the song is cool just because it's about suicide. I generally hate those people, it's a shallow reason to like a song. My 'pologies to Andrey.

I'm not out to change anyone's mind about Metallica, frankly I don't care what people think about them. Opinions are great, and I respect that some people don't like them or claim they sold out. I said "I don't see how they sold out." Not "They never sold out." I pointed out that it bothers me that people say they sold out, but that doesn't make them wrong. Everything is opinion-based. I can respectfully disagree with someone, right? Is that ok with you, Devil? Don't want stuff to seem "ignorant".

I think I'm being perfectly reasonable in expressing myself. I'm doing it in an intelligent and civil manner. I appreciate everyone's view, as long as they have reasons for it and can back it up, and present it in a professional and polite manner. You, on the other hand, have been told that no one cares to hear what you have to say. You've also been asked repeatedly to leave the thread. Who is the one with the problem?

I would respect you and your opinion, Devil, if you were not so ignorant in presenting it. You say it's wrong for me to denounce other people's opinions, but you're doing the same thing to me. Hypocritical?

I honestly think that you're just here to harass and instigate those of us who like Metallica, and those of us who want to respectfully debate. Which is kind of childish, but whatever passes time for you. All of your posts in this thread have been negative, which would be fine if they were presented in a respectful way. But they aren't, they're offensive to almost everybody.

Thus, I don't care what you think. I'm sure you don't care that I don't care. I'll say that for you so you don't have to say it in your next negative post...

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Metallica wasn't the only driving force behind Thrash metal though. In the mid 1980s there was Kill'Em'All, Killing Is my Business... And Business is Good and Reign in Blood all released within around one year of each other (1985-1986).



Ride the Lightning was quite good, but I don't know my Metallica the way I do my Iron Maiden.



It does seem a bit extreme. Iron Maiden did 4 songs as singles from their album Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (The Clairvoyant, The Evil that Men Do, Infinite Dreams, Can I play With Madness). However, two were for their live VHS Maiden England (The Clairvoyant, Infinite Dreams).



Black Album is not quite as hard as RTL and MOP. Sounds a lot more commercial, although it is still tolerable. With Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets, it is a disappointment to come to the end of the album. With the Black Album, it seemed to stretch on forever. Maybe that is just me.



Not particularly, but he did release an album that insinuated his band was better than Maiden



Definitely. Cliff and Mustaine were the driving force behind many of the classic songs. Mustaine was kicked out, and Cliff continued making masterpieces (As did Mustaine in Megadeth). When Cliff died, the stream dried up. It is a terrible shame .



I don't know the answer, but at that time (After Master of Puppets), it would have been more for the fans. Although maybe for the money, I don't know. Hard to say after a band member's death.



If I was an artist, I would probably put my work on Bittorrent. It is going to go there anyway. At least that way I can plug my band and try and get album sales.



So it would have ended up on the Mission Impossible II soundtrack album anyway. Which would have been downloaded anyway.



Downloading is a great way to find new music. If I had never downloaded any music, I would not be here talking to you. Because I would have practically no music at all. I only came into music when someone gave me a CD and told me it was an album about the Silmarillion (The album was Nightfall in Middle Earth by Blind Guardian, if anyone is wondering).



No one expects a new Ride the Lightning, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to put out the very best album they could. Maiden has never made a new Number of the Beast, they made a Piece of Mind instead, then a Powerslave, then a Somewhere in Time, then a Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. All different, but excellent. Which is what Metallica should have done.



But any album released by a band which has released albums before will always be judged. When Maiden's A Matter of Life and Death was released, the Iron Maiden forum was filled with people who said that it sucked compared to the old ones, with others saying it was better than the old ones. You can't just treat each album as the first, especially when they have a long history. Oh, and Masters of Reality gives Paranoid a run for its money



Comparing their recent two albums to RTL and MOP, I think it is a fair comment.

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To even mention Dave Mustaine in this thread is blasphemy.....

You know a LOT about Iron Maiden, and you make a lot of good parallels between Metallica and Maiden, which is impressive. But Metallica's music was in a category of it's own. It was more raw and much faster than Maiden's music, which appealed more to some people.

A lot of people agree with you about the Black album, but it's my favorite album. For me, there were some songs on the other albums I could have done without. When it came to Black, I enjoyed every single song. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Black was the first Metallica I ever heard.

Anthrax is an ok band at best, and they are nowhere near as good as Maiden.

I understand where you're coming from with the downloading stuff, but I just don't agree. And a lot of people say they sample music by downloading, but isn't that what the radio is for? Also, if you get MTV, the Headbanger's Ball is a great way to check out some up-and-coming metal. That's how I came across Trivium. WOOT! VH1 classic is a great way to check out older bands, too. People have better options than downloading, I think.

The main point for the Napster thing was that it was unfinished. I recently heard that the author of the "Twilight" series had something similar happen to her. Her publisher leaked some of her next novel, which is nowhere near finished. Now, since her fans have seen the preliminary version of the novel, it's kind of spoiled. Also, she won't be able to take the book in the direction she wanted to necessarily. Literature, like music, needs to be reworked and reworked until the artist is ready to release it. Not a millisecond before then. I think Metallica was angry about this, and took it out on Napster.

I believe Metallica is putting forth their best effort to make the best album they can. They couldn't call themselves artists if they didn't. I just think that they have a lot more on their minds these days, like families. They can't necessarily focus entirely on their music any more. It's great that they chose to have families, but I think their magic (or lack thereof....) from fifteen+ years ago is gone. They still have magic, just a different kind. A more mature, less drunk, less angry kind.

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But Mustaine is a swell guitarist. He was also part of Metallica before the release of the first album, so he can be mentioned



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It was indeed raw and faster, but then again, Maiden was faster and more raw than the bands that came before them. Music has kept getting heavier, and is now around peak heaviness. You can't get much heavier than the Black and Death metal that is around today.



That may be it, my first was Ride the Lightning (A friend burned it for me, to that point I only knew that Metallica had sold out. For so long I denied myself any of their music).



Never heard any Anthrax, but it is safe to say that Maiden is better.



A lot of good band's will never make it onto these shows. Also, when I got into music, I didn't have pay TV (I do now, though). I don't know if Australia gets VH1, or the VH1 equivalent.



Having unfinished songs/works released to the public sucks. However, in your example the author can still take it in the direction she wants.



Having families does not stop you from producing excellent music. The members of Maiden are all married (Except maybe Steve Harris, I don't know if he got remarried after his wife died).

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Quite a read... To touch on a few points.

I'd say Master of Puppets is where their fame grew from. The album while not as comercially successful as the Black album it was where they gained critical acclaim and the attention of the world. Not that it really matters.

I'd have to be the opposite of Mag, I love my Metallica but I still have quite a library of Iron Maiden (Aces High <3.) Define the term "raw" for me lander. While I suppose it was faster and their amps were louder Iron Maiden is still as pure as it comes.

Anyway, I think we should start a ZZ Top fan club now.

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