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PostPosted: August 5th, 2012, 6:24 pm 
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Oak Creek, Wisconsin (CNN) -- The FBI will investigate Sunday's rampage at a Sikh temple in a Milwaukee suburb as a "domestic terrorist-type incident" that left at least six people and the gunman dead, the town's police chief said.

Another three people were wounded, including the first officer to respond to the scene, Oak Creek Police Chief John Edwards said. A second officer returned fire, killing the suspect, Edwards said.

All three of the wounded were in critical condition at Milwaukee's Froedtert Hospital, spokeswoman Carolyn Bellin told CNN. The congregation's president was among the wounded, his nephew said.

And another man told the station, "Nobody's angry here. We're just confused. Was this a random act? Was this directed at us because of the way we look?"

Police had no information to release about the gunman, Edwards said. "That is being checked into and is part of the criminal investigation," he said. Nor would he disclose specifics of why the attack was being classified as an act of domestic terrorism.

The Sikh religion originated in northern India around 1500 and has about 25 million followers, 700,000 of them in the United States, according to the Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund. Because of their customary beards and turbans, Sikh men are often confused for Hindus or Muslims -- and have been the targets of hate crimes since the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, said Surinder Singh, a spokesman for the Guru Nanak Mission Society of Atlanta.

"We were the victims of mistaken identity, and a few Sikhs were gunned down during that time," Singh said. A Sikh man was killed in Phoenix in apparent retaliation for the attacks that had been carried out by the Islamic terrorist group al Qaeda, and Singh said the entire Sikh community "will be kind of scared" following Sunday's killings.

The attack occurred about 10:30 a.m. (11:30 a.m. ET), when temple members were reading scriptures and cooking food in preparation for the main Sunday service and community lunch, said Kanwardeep Singh Kaleka, a member of the congregation and the nephew of its president.

Kaleka was not at the temple at the time of the shooting, but helped police interview witnesses in the aftermath. He said members described the attacker as a bald, white man, dressed in a white T-shirt and black pants and with a 9/11 tattoo on one arm -- which "implies to me that there's some level of hate crime there."

He said the gunman started shooting in the parking lot, "then entered into the temple and proceeded to open fire."

"It seems the few casualties that have been divulged to me have been the equivalent of priests, the holy leaders of our people," he said. "My uncle is one of the administrators of the temple. It's mainly those individuals who have been targeted or shot. Maybe it's because the ladies were fortunate enough to dodge it out, but so far most of the people I've heard have been shot and killed were all turbaned males."

Police were searching the suspect's home, "a short distance" from the temple, on Sunday evening, according to a law enforcement source with direct knowledge of the investigation. A single semi-automatic pistol believed to have been used by the gunman was found at the scene, along with the wounded officer's weapon, the source said.

Initial reports were that there may have been multiple attackers, but police found no indication of another gunman involved, said Bradley Wentlandt, the police chief in nearby Greenfield.

The Oak Creek temple, or gurdwara, opened in 2007 and has a congregation of more than 350. Family members gathered outside told WTMJ that survivors were being taken to a nearby bowling alley for questioning.

"Our dear ones and near ones are injured and hurt, and we are trying to find out what happened," said Darshan Dhaliwal, another congregation leader.

Congregation president Satwant Kaleka was shot and wounded when he attempted to tackle the gunman, his son, Amardeep Kaleka told WTMJ. His mother -- who hid in a closet during the violence -- was too distraught to talk, he said.

State Rep. Josh Zepnick said many of the Milwaukee area's Sikh community are among his constituents and described himself as being "torn to shreds" by the attack.

"It's a very peace-loving community that has successfully integrated and assimilated into the metropolitan Milwaukee area," Zepnick told WTMJ.

And state Rep. Mark Honadel, whose district includes the temple, called the attack "craziness."

"Unfortunately, when this type of stuff hits your area, you say to yourself, 'Why?' But in today's society, I don't think there's any place that's free from idiots," Honadel said.

The American branch of the World Sikh Council, meanwhile, said Sunday was "a troubling day, not only for Sikh-Americans, but also for all Americans."

"We urge all to pray for the victims, their families and friends, and the surrounding community," the group said. "We also express our gratitude towards the law enforcement authorities for their prompt and effective response to the situation as it unfolded. We offer our appreciation for the bravery of the police officer shot, offer condolences, and pray that he will recover fully soon."

And top state and national political leaders offered statements of condolence after the killings, which came two weeks after a massacre at a Colorado movie theater that left 12 dead and dozens more wounded.

"Our hearts go out to the victims and their families, as we all struggle to comprehend the evil that begets this terrible violence," Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said in a statement issued by his office. "At the same time, we are filled with gratitude for our first responders, who show bravery and selflessness as they put aside their own safety to protect our neighbors and friends."

In a statement from the White House, President Barack Obama said the United States had been "enriched" by Sikhs, "who are a part of our broader American family."

"My administration will provide whatever support is necessary to the officials who are responding to this tragic shooting and moving forward with an investigation," Obama said.

And from Boston, Obama's presumptive Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, called the slayings "a senseless act of violence and a tragedy that should never befall any house of worship." He said the hearts of he and his wife, Ann, "are with the victims, their families, and the entire Oak Creek Sikh community."

CNN's Ted Rowlands, Marlena Baldacci, Matt Smith, Steve Almasy and Susan Candiotti contributed to this report.


As a Sikh that wears a turban and has a beard, I am truly horrified that someone would go into a place of worship, a place of peace and commit these crimes.

Oh, and CNN's coverage of what Sikhism is sucks.

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PostPosted: August 5th, 2012, 6:34 pm 
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Freedom of religion... as long as it's some member of the Christianity family, it seems. :\
I'm kind of disgusted with the facts that someone felt this intolerant just because of a religion's presence, that it was in a place of worship, and that the killer got away with it by dying.

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PostPosted: August 5th, 2012, 6:57 pm 
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PostPosted: August 5th, 2012, 7:19 pm 
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the killer got away with it by dying.

Damn that clever Fuzzy Bunny.

I know, firing on cops who wanted to protect the people he somehow made into his sworn enemy. "If you're not with me, you're against me."
No humor intended, despicable ending. :\

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PostPosted: August 6th, 2012, 5:44 am 
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As a Sikh that wears a turban and has a beard, I am truly horrified that someone would go into a place of worship, a place of peace and commit these crimes.

Oh, and CNN's coverage of what Sikhism is sucks.


Who gives a Fuzzy Bunny where the act was committed. A temple or a Fuzzy Bunny house makes no difference, it is a despicable act.

Really though Fuzzy Bunny like this is just becoming a regular occurrence in the US.

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PostPosted: August 6th, 2012, 8:42 am 
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Really though Fuzzy Bunny like this is just becoming a regular occurrence in the US.


Indeed. All of these mass-murders have happened just this year alone:

Ingleside Mass Murder: 5 deaths
Oikos University Shooting: 7 deaths
Cafe Racer Massacre: 6 deaths
Aurora Theatre Shooting: 12 deaths
Oak Creek Shooting: 7 deaths

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PostPosted: August 6th, 2012, 2:03 pm 
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Look up Mexico, see how many shootings happen there.

It's not unique to the USA by any means. Not less of a tragedy, but it's certainly not unique.

Other parts of the world, like China, there's rumors an uprising happened. But then I guess it was the government doing the shooting there so maybe that doesn't count.

Or you know... Syria.

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Freedom of religion... as long as it's some member of the Christianity family, it seems. :\
I think you'll find that when it comes to the opinions of individuals, "Freedom of religion" often has no meaning.

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PostPosted: August 6th, 2012, 9:23 pm 
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Update: Shooter has been identified as Wade Michael Page, an U.S. Army Veteran with ties to a neo-nazi group.

Why does it always seem that racism is always tied to stupidity which turns into violence?

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Why does it always seem that racism is always tied to stupidity which turns into violence?


Because racism, by nature of being racism, is an ignorant refusal to accept others for reasons that are all stupid. Any form of it often has historical ties to being highlighted by such acts as slavery, abuse, murder, and generally treating one as either inferior or "in the way". I probably don't need to dig into specific examples in history. :?:
Some people are dumb enough to think a race is superior, and that any other is either their scapegoat or stepping stone.

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PostPosted: August 22nd, 2012, 2:43 am 
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Who goes into a place of worship where people go to escape stress and to pray and starts shooting at everyone... yet this kind of thing happens every day.

Coming from a Sikh family, this was both sad and angering to hear about. Although, us Sikh's do not mourn alone. The world is with us.

I don't like to make things all about religion, regardless of whether or not it happened in a place of worship, nothing of this sort should've ever happened. These sorts of senseless killings shouldn't be happening. But I doubt they'll ever stop.

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PostPosted: August 22nd, 2012, 7:33 am 
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Really though Fuzzy Bunny like this is just becoming a regular occurrence in the US.


Indeed. All of these mass-murders have happened just this year alone:

Ingleside Mass Murder: 5 deaths
Oikos University Shooting: 7 deaths
Cafe Racer Massacre: 6 deaths
Aurora Theatre Shooting: 12 deaths
Oak Creek Shooting: 7 deaths

Not to mention the outbreak of zombified cannibalism

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