He seems to me like more of a comedian rather than a president. The way he manages to screw up the most easy things amazes me. It really makes me wonder, is he actually this dumb? Or is it all for ***** and giggles?

In todays speech he made, he called Austrailians Austrians really how do you mess that up? He then walked towards the wrong end of the stage while everyone else was going the right way, how the hell do you not see that.

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i dont like him, hes the bush thats out of my bush.. along with other odd sayings that shows i dont like him.



That made my day better when i saw that.

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whats to discuss? theres pretty much a unanimous hatred of bush.

Lets see you be president, then. It's a hard job, and if you look past the stuff that's overblown in the media, he's doing an okay job.

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Two guesses where this thread is going to be and the first doesn't count...

I think it's amazing how just one syllable gets messed up and it's then
suddenly national news as if no other president of any other country or
in history has ever say... misspelled potato. So historicly people have
been with this "omg lolz he said what?" mentality when it comes to public
officials in that sense. The media market is so super-saturated with
random subquality Bush jokes that they're just not even funny anymore.
Comedy central even signed a WEB-series as an actual animated show
on their network "Bush Jr." I think or something. Basicly good ol networks
shoving their opinions down kids throats.

He's not "stupid" by any means. Far as I know, he graduated from a University
many can't even get accepted to let alone pass. The downside is that his
linguistic skills give off a bad impression. The manner in presentation is the
key problem in what he does. eg

"Reckon yal's shud know speed of light's somethin based on density of the stuff it's
goin thru but dats not important fer most cases it's bout the same"

or

"As you can see, this ballpoint is quite fine. I enjoy looking at it for its
shine amuses me and often pulls my attention from far more important things."

So you can say something smart and sound stupid, or say something stupid
and sound like you're smart. I think he gets bashed at more than what's
truely due myself. Time will tell in the long run whether he knows really
what's for the best. Articles like "Bush says Austria instead of Australia"
just to me make the news writer look like an idiot more than Bush since
somebody actually took time out of their day... to think that's news worthy.

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He did get his History degree (Will. Not. Mock.) from Yale (can't mock that). His postgraduate work was done at Harvard Business School, where he got an MBA. It does sound impressive, although I don't know what sort of score he actually got, and virtually no-one fails this type of course (HBS has a 98% graduate rate on its MBA course).

Of course, his actual business carrear was somewhat less impressive than his alma matter.

His first run for congress (back in '78) failed partly because he was painted as 'out of touch with rural Texas' because of his background and education. He only had political success after he built up his team of advisers (such as Karl Rove) for the 1994 election.

Not to mention that he managed to screw up all of the companies he helped run. Not to mention the fact he was a legacy and a C? D? student.

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Plus the little kid probably deserved it. He's like 12-13 yet he's talking about using words that even his mom and dad would say were too rude.

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I argued this before, and the point is it is damn right rude to do this. There is a huge difference between Austria and Australia (Two syllables compared to four, actually). How about people start calling America "South America" by mistake - its only one syllable, after all. Oh wait, you would think they are an idiot and rightly so.




Because his daddy didn't pay for him to get through school. Happens a fair bit, actually. Can't knock the university, but the degrees he achieved aren't spectacular. History degree isn't exactly the most arduous of tasks, and the MBA as someone said has a huge rate of people passing.

Lets look at his foreign policy for a second, shall we? His intention was to try and lower terrorism and its impact, and ended up "Kicking the wasps nest" in the process. More and more people are willing to die for Islam because of his foreign policy that was meant to protect the world.

So when I call George Bush an idiot, I am not just talking from nowhere.

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Lol, so you mean to tell me that our human president made a mistake?

Yeah, he's a big comedian, making mistakes in grammar... We should just get some other guy because he thinks that Bush's decisions are always wrong and that he'll be a better president.
Its not like Bush is even qualified to be president, he unfairly won the election by manipulating the majority to vote for him. Then he goes and runs for the next election and wins again because nobody likes him.

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He is doing great, except for the economic downturn and creating a disenchanted population towards both him and his party because of the Iraq war which is being fought for Israel interests.

As to whether I could be president; assuming I was American born, find me sixty million dollars to campaign and I could become one too. Would I do a good job? Depends on my advisor's.

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Yeah, this is about the most stupid, minor mistake you can talk about with Bush.

For example, ignoring intelligence briefings with regards to Iraq and WMD from the CIA because he only wanted to see evidence that would support the Iraq war, not that might undermine his case. In the same article (see page 2) he lied to the US people about the number of sources they had (claiming multiple sources when they only had one, who turned out to be a fake). They also handed the same intelligence over to the British government without noting the source was possibly invalid, using a politically edited report as serious intelligence rather than, say, trusting the CIA version.

And somehow Bush still believed that Iraq had WMD (something the CIA never believed) up to 2006, at least.

But then, that is a little petty, isn't it?

How about the systematic and judicious politicisation of the Department of Justice, primarily through Alberto Gonzales and the removal of any who didn't toe the political party line. The pushing through of rather strange (some would say, completely and utterly insane and deluded) legal interpretations as facts on which to base whole, major, programs on - programs that were sold as security programs, yet had no noticeable security benefits over the old laws.

That process, that politicisation of the legal process, has caused severe problems for the legal department. There have even been cases where the political use of attorneys has been used to defend people against charges they have brought against them. After all, if those who did not toe party line have been fired, how can you trust those who are left to play by the law rather than the political playbook?

But then again, maybe that isn't enough.

How about his utter lack of support for the armed forces - repeated attacks on attempted pay rises, then used the same point later to score political points.

Originally he had called for a 3% pay rise. The Democratic congress called for an additional 0.5%, which Bush then threatened to veto, stating that it was 'unnecessary'. He later referred to the same bill in this speech, stating that;The bill in question was delayed due to a Republican threat of a filibuster, blocking so much as a vote on relevant issues.

Heck, this one even the slumbering Democratic leadership managed to pick up on, it was that blatant.

I can go on. And on. And on. Almost every day a new story breaks that makes me want to vomit.

Take the fact that the General Petraeus report on Iraq - the one on which all future decisions are supposed to be made, which is supposed to be the most comprehensive analysis of the information by those with experience in the matters at hand - is actually going to be written by White House officials, not the military.

Oh, and just to make things more interesting, that report has some strange ideas about what counts as a violent death in Iraq. Car bombs and sectarian violence don't count any more apparently. And sectarian violence has some strange definitions as well...

He thought India Day was for Aboriginals...'Nuff said.

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As far as I'm concerned, the times we live in make it incredibly hard to be a president. I can not deny the fact that Bush screws up, but at least he TAKES chances. What really makes me mad is when people think it's his fault for 9/11, which is ridiculous. I won't play the blame game, because it's pointless, but at least he isn't afraid to go after the people who hate not only America, but anyone who loves and enjoys freedom. I just hope that all you Bush haters only hate him and don't hate America, because if you really don't want to be on our side, then don't be, but you will have to take THAT chance on your own.

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I'm going to take this point by point if you don't mind.I disagree with this in three ways.

1) Bush has not gone after threats to the United States or 'free world' (however you define it), and has actually avoided to failed to take many of the steps required to improve the security of the USA and wider world.

2) The idea that there are evildoers out there who, for some reason, hate 'freedom' is very simply deluded. The reasons for people attacking the USA(, UK, etc.) are far more complex and nuanced. A failure to understand (or attempt to understand) and address these reasons is the greatest failing of this administration.This is always a line that has confused me and annoyed me in equal parts.

For one thing, what America are you referring to when you ask this?

For me, America refers to a set of ideals and concepts outlined in the constitution, the ideas of the founders, the concept of liberty and equality. Those I love, and that I can say without hesitation.

Yet when this question is asked, or when people are accused of being anti-American, it is always in defence of dismissing these ideals, of trampling on the constitution or violating others liberty.

I'm guessing that America means something very different to you than it does to me. Same with freedom for that matter.

Mmmkay, firstly, this goes straight to the debate forum.

Secondly, watch the personal attacks against everyone, including the object of the discussion. the Forum Rules state:



It's been OK so far, but my guess is it'll get worse. Let's not let that happen. Like it or not, for many of you, he's your leader.

While he does some major screw-ups, the other stuff is mostly just because of the new type of coverage we can get. The other presidents didn't have the internet (or much internet coverage in Clinton's case) to cover every single move they made. Nor did they have 24 hour news channels watching them. If the internet had been around at anytime, we'd get just as much crap about any president flying around because it's a lot harder to cover up little mistakes nowadays. I try to stay neutral on the whole good/bad president thing.

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Well, Clinton was the first one to be hit by 'netroot' organisations (infact, FreeRepublic was a vocal source during the impeachment process).

However, I would say that there is a difference between the 90's internet and the all perversive, universally accessible web 2.0 we have today, so there is something to this.Or not watching.

There has always been all pervasive media access to the government. C-SPAN has been around since 1979, and C-SPAN2 in 1986, so since I was born every single House and Senate session has been aired live. The president has always had a press corps - journalists who travel with him on international visits. Heck, Helen Thomas (who is still in the feeding frenzy) has travelled with and reported on every president since JFK, for some 57 years.

While today news can be broken at any time, this actually has a minimising effect on a stories lifespan and impact, and 24 hour news channels rarely have more detailed or excessive reports on the Presidents political or legal actions compared to more standard news programs.Which is why it is very useful to keep a historical view and keep your eye on the big issues, such as the illegal/borderline legal activities.

didn't he kinda slash the counterterrorism budget before 9/11? and wasn't it guys from saudia arabia that were the hijackers?

I personally think all politicians are equally moronic, with a few exceptions.

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Oh come on, the guy's dyslexic isn't he?

He was probably just reading that and messed it up, it can happen

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