So as of today (09/02/2011) Jagex have finally allowed free speach within Runescape, this can be toggled with the use of a button. As of now, this is not allowed in RV Lounge due to conflicts with the Runevillage rules. However RV rules also dictate to follow Runescape rules. Going off this one rule alone then swearing should be allowed within RV Lounge as long as it is not being used to directly offend or insult someone.
If this were to pass and swearing and such were allowed in Runevillage Lounge then users would still have the choice to toggle the censors on, this would just make it seem as though there was no change.

Ofcourse with the lack of censors I must also warn users to watch out for any pishing sites that are being talked about within Runescape. Only enter your password and username on Jagex approved websites.

I also believe swearing should be allowed as I am against the censoring of any type of speech be it not one of hateful intent.

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Priest of Saradomin as of Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:46 am
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Reason's i believe it should be allowed:

1. At the moment, people are going crazy with it across RuneScape, but that's the same with every new, exciting update, it WILL die down.

2. It CAN be turned back on, for people viewing the cencor, they cannot be finding it offensive, if they do, they can turn the filter back on.

3. Obviously there are certain aspects of it that clash with other rules, such as spamming swear words, it's just like spamming, not because of the swear words.

4. MODDING: I believe that if there is an arguement and it has some swearing in it, just like any arguement on the cc, it should be broken up and dealt with normally. Also, cc mods unlike ignoring should be totally within there rights to put the filter back on, as it should never be need being moderated unless it clashes with other rules.

5. We used to be able to say **** off in the cc, the filter being off is for the older generation (i know that), i bet 100% of rvers will either read that as the f word, or the p word, we read it how it is! So why would the rules change now because it's actually visible, we always knew what it was...and were able to say it.

Thanks, Muse.

P.S. This was just my opinion, not trying to tell you how to do your jobs!!!

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While we do not have an official stance on it yet, I can guarantee that we still won't allow any foul words in chat, just like before.

We do not have to follow the decisions that RuneScape makes, but any RuneScape rules will of course remain in place. The same applies for the chat.

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I believe we shouldnt have the sensor, because i believe people should be able to swear, as long as they don't use it in every single sentence.

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I stand by what I said in the global, stopping people from swearing now it's uncensored is the wrong way to do things. People can choose if they want a censor or not. The forums have bunnies, and RS has stars if you choose. Now you can't swear at all because some people MADE THE CHOICE to turn off their filter? Stupid and badly thought through.

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Let me make sure I perfectly understand this.

Goten: Even though swearing is allowed in Runescape, RV lounge is still going to be free of stupid amounts of, or offensive cursing. It's still "Runevillage"s chat.
Simon: Runevillage's rules reflect Runescape's rules, swearing should be more open.

Two issues I see here, taking a step back and looking at this again. One, a circle is being made here on whether Runescape's rules supersede Runevillage's, or the other way around, given they both (on paper) seem to be based off one another. More than likely, though, it will win out that "RV Lounge is Runevillage's clan chat, so RV gets to choose what happens."

The other piece of confusion I see is the severity of the filter the Clan Chat mods are supposed to go by. Do we moderate for ALL swear words filtered here? If so, I see a joking use of something like "You bastard." being turned into a semantics problem on being modded or not. I personally think Clan Chat mods are gonna wind up just sticking to what they would normally moderate, and as it should be. Mods are picked for knowing what's wrong, and knowing what to do about any wrongdoing. The change of a filter isn't gonna suddenly turn our jobs on its head, nor will it turn the experience had of watching chat into useless memories.

*Prepares for the filter evasion flak*

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That's not what Goten said, Kikori. He said don't say anything on RS that would be filtered here, meaning no swearing at all. If Goten had said that then I don't think we'd have a problem.

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Without a filter of any sort, people can get extremely creative with the foul-mouthery. Personally, I'm going to turn my filter off because nothing really fazes me anymore, but I'm sure there will be some people who go into this unprepared for the onslaught of dirtiness. I say RV keeps the same rules as before.

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What you all seem to be forgetting is that the filter DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE. It's still there so the rules should not have changed and this topic shouldn't have even been made in the first place.

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But the rules did change. Read the global.

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I believe that you should still stop swearing in the lounge, just because jagex is getting desperate at appealing to a wider audience doesn't mean we should resort to being in the gutter, it doesn't take a whole lot of thinking to come up with a more appropiate word to use in place of a swearword.

We have a reputation to uphold on being a family friendly site.

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I.......actually agree. Swearing here and there, fine. We all do it. But when people are given an inch, they take a mile.

We have prided ourselves on having one of, if not THE most mature RS related website out there. I think that is what makes us a big draw. I really don't want to step into RS Chat (or even RV Chat) and be met with a flurry of foul language and I'm older than a vast majority of the website. It's rather rude and off putting. Outside of RV/RS I swear like a dirty, filthy, drunken sailor (Janrok/Monk/Frank/Muffin all know that) but here, it's different. We're a family site, a place I'd want my children to belong to if I had any.

Just because Jagex is allowing you to do something, doesn't mean you HAVE to do it. It also means that just because Jagex allows swearing, it doesn't mean we are going to allow it free range either. We never have, and we never will.

What I propose is sort of like we do here, keep it within reason. Telling someone to F-off is NOT acceptable. It's rude and hateful. Now if you wanted to respond to a statement like "Well I don't give a *#$%", that's a little more "allowable". It would be up to the mods what is and isn't allowed (in which I hope they keep with RV's views, not their own personal views).

Basically, use some common sense. If you have to think about whether you're going to get kicked or not, chances are you are going to get kicked and it would be in your best interest not to type that. Remember, you have to TYPE this stuff out. So it isn't like once it is typed you can't take it back.

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I don't mind the occasional swearing to express, but I do mind the swearing used to insult.

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Couldn't have put it any better. That is honestly what I wanted. I just wanted it to be allowed to use the swearing as you normally would, not in a violent manor. E.g. 'For **** Sake, just got killed because of lag', that would be fine 'Hey Jimmy, why don't you just **** off' would not. And I say it with Jimmy, because he's neutral...To everything...No one hates him.

I dont see why we cant swear in rv lounge. Theres a filter for anybody who doesnt want to see it, seems plain stupid tbh..

Hmmm im not sure about this, as it might open the floodgate with every single message containing or consisting of swearing, also the fact that people may start swearing at each other causing more problems.

It is alright saying that there is a filter but how easy will it be for a young person to turn it off, then its time trying to explain to Timmys mum how timmy has learned some new swear words and is using them at school.

If anything i think that we should let out a few words on the filter nothing to offensive just to see how it plays out on the forum before beging to remove it completly.

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I am alright with swearing, but I wouldn't allow full leniency in the village itself because, as Frizoid and Burks stated already, the village is still a family friendly site. Sure, I'm alright with slight cursing, but I'm certain anyone who is truely mature can express their feelings without having to use a hailstorm of curse words even if they have a temper. I am for looser settings on the filter personally, but I won't consider personal opinions since I'll uphold the village's need over my own viewpoints.

Right now, I'm unsure how to properly word for the time being since it's a tender subject. *sigh*

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Thanks.

A little swearing every now and then is ok by me. As long as it's not constant, and doesn't have any malintent behind it, I have no problem with it in the lounge. Don't abuse it, though.

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