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Are the Runevillage forums being over-moderated?
Yes, the moderators are way too trigger-happy 49%  49%  [ 29 ]
No, I think the forums aren't moderated enough 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
No, the mods are doing fine 47%  47%  [ 28 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
PostPosted: May 6th, 2008, 11:29 pm 
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2 things:

Better have more mods than less mods.

Having too many mods does not harm.

Sorry guys, but finally a post that is short and sweet. I don't like the 5 paragraph ones... :|

Also that I agree that what is said in it.


That is a ridiculous statement. Quality over quantity; an old saying but it certainly applies here.

I'd rather have 15 mods that know what they're doing than 25 idiots. (Not saying that's what is happening here)

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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
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Pillow wrote:
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2 things:

Better have more mods than less mods.

Having too many mods does not harm.

Sorry guys, but finally a post that is short and sweet. I don't like the 5 paragraph ones... :|

Also that I agree that what is said in it.



Beacuse u r nubz.


I believe that the reason we have a problem is that the mods are getting frustrated at their lack of oppurtunity to use their powers, and they will use them when they shouldn't be used.


Even if a moderator decides that a post can stay the way it is, another mod will do it instead.

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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
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Yeah, I think a lot of people dont realize how many times posts or threads are deleted that are perfectly valid. For example, the other day I made a thread remembering Albert Hofman which was deleted for no reason....


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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
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Yeah, I think a lot of people dont realize how many times posts or threads are deleted that are perfectly valid. For example, the other day I made a thread remembering Albert Hofman which was deleted for no reason....

A Moderator is supposed to write a message as to why a topic was deleted/locked. If they didn't, PM any Forum Administrator and it will be dealt with.

The worst you can do is simply walk away from it.


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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
PostPosted: May 7th, 2008, 4:39 pm 
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If you want an example, then here you go:

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Yeah, it kinda is. The "It's just a lamp" was okay, but that was a lil' over the top. Sorry.
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It was just a woman in a bikini, I mean that's really offensive :-s

Now i can see why you think theres "Trigger-happy" moderators here, you don't see the point of why that moderator removed the picture.

Try this; PG, And don't give me this PG-13 crap, It's just PG now, So I've heard.


1.) Try finding one where I WASN'T responding to someone else's report.
2.) Try finding one where the user (in this case c-erickson) didn't say anything similar to that it could be removed if it was found too [insert word here, I'd pick "obscene" if I actually thought the picture was bad enough]. (Since it was reported by SOMEONE, that [to me] made it removeable. I'm not the one with a problem with the picture that was there)
3.) PG-13 and PG are similar enough that you can try that all you want, if it's still over the top, it's gonna get removed. And don't reference my above edit because that was a response to a staff member's / legend's report.

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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
PostPosted: May 8th, 2008, 1:16 am 
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I will also never forget that I was awarded two warnings for posting two acronyms that had the F-word in it to two of my friends because of a spastic moderator.

Those two warnings I think you're referring to were also in place because of the accumulation of other minor offences you did. We often don't give warnings for small things, but you can't expect to be allowed to keep doing such minor things. Many small things can make a big thing.

As for the "overmoderation" topic: Sure we've got quite a few moderators, sure there's forums with less moderators, but this is how this site is run. I don't see any real problems coming up from the amount of moderators, so I don't see a need for a change.

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I will also never forget that I was awarded two warnings for posting two acronyms that had the F-word in it to two of my friends because of a spastic moderator.

Those two warnings I think you're referring to were also in place because of the accumulation of other minor offences you did. We often don't give warnings for small things, but you can't expect to be allowed to keep doing such minor things. Many small things can make a big thing.

As for the "overmoderation" topic: Sure we've got quite a few moderators, sure there's forums with less moderators, but this is how this site is run. I don't see any real problems coming up from the amount of moderators, so I don't see a need for a change.

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Sorry you're wrong :)

Nice try, though.

They were for publicly posting about the moderator's ignorance. An initiative I decided to participate in because as expected, nothing happened to the stupid moderator in question.

Anyway, I am not here to argue about that incident.

Posted edit for language. Burks

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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
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I wouldn't go so far as to call him spastic but it was definately quite unfair on apey :P

I wouldn't call the moderators triggerhappy, it is just that everyone has and is entitled to there own opinion which sometimes leads to what people see as harsh warnings. Not really that big of a deal I don't think.

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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
PostPosted: May 8th, 2008, 7:18 am 
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You say:
1.) Too many mods -> wrong moderation
2.) Too many mods -> lower the rareness of mods -> lower the specialty of being a mod

I say:
You can't generalize that, and the amount of mods is not the cause of wrong moderation.
Probably one or two mods don't think the way you do, but you can't generalize that.
It's hiker's choice, whether he wants many or a few mods. It's also his choice whether someone should get or lose the mod ability. No one cares if the specialty of being a mod is lowered (except the mods of course), so it's not our concern is it?

I mean the only reason a regular user would be concerned about the moderation is when there is wrong moderation, so you cannot judge your second statement. Your first statement is an individuals case and doesn't relate to all of us.
However, if moderators think like (2), then they should probably discuss it in their own mod forum.

If you don't like how some of the mods warned you, then talk with them or the admins, but don't rebel.


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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
PostPosted: May 10th, 2008, 5:19 am 
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EVERYONE SHOULD JUST SHUT UP AND LET THE MODS DO THEIR MOD STOFZ.

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EVERYONE SHOULD JUST SHUT UP AND LET THE MODS DO THEIR MOD STOFZ.


Well Said. Hear, Hear.

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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
PostPosted: May 16th, 2008, 12:11 am 
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Sarah wrote:
There are way too many mods, for example:

    global moderators/board moderators:

    tip.it: 10
    runevillage: 19

    local moderators/forum moderators

    tip.it: 19
    runevillage: 14

    staff/crew

    tip.it: 21
    runevillage: 23


As you can see we have more board moderators than Tip.it and nearly equal amounts of the other moderators when we probably have about 10% of their number of users, we simply have too many for such a small site, its probably something like 5 active users to every 1 ranked person atm, which really doesn't make sense.

I honestly feel something needs to be done about it, yes we joked about it at the begining of the month but my post was actually my real feelings towards the situation.


Tip.it isn't as strict about policies either. Up untill just a while ago you could buy and sell sigs there, even after it was clearly against rules. I don't think that comparing our selves to tip.it will really make us any better. I am here for a reason, and not in tip.it

There are some trigger happy mods, I guess. I really don't have a problem that often because I don't recal breaking a rule(except an oversized sig maybe, which was downsized, no prob).

I like it that I don't have to worried about getting cussed out and flamed for something stupid. I prefer RV to other less moded fan-sites, because the atmosphere is much more mature IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
PostPosted: May 16th, 2008, 3:35 am 
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Tokuman wrote:
Sarah wrote:
There are way too many mods, for example:

    global moderators/board moderators:

    tip.it: 10
    runevillage: 19

    local moderators/forum moderators

    tip.it: 19
    runevillage: 14

    staff/crew

    tip.it: 21
    runevillage: 23


As you can see we have more board moderators than Tip.it and nearly equal amounts of the other moderators when we probably have about 10% of their number of users, we simply have too many for such a small site, its probably something like 5 active users to every 1 ranked person atm, which really doesn't make sense.

I honestly feel something needs to be done about it, yes we joked about it at the begining of the month but my post was actually my real feelings towards the situation.


Tip.it isn't as strict about policies either. Up untill just a while ago you could buy and sell sigs there, even after it was clearly against rules. I don't think that comparing our selves to tip.it will really make us any better. I am here for a reason, and not in tip.it

There are some trigger happy mods, I guess. I really don't have a problem that often because I don't recal breaking a rule(except an oversized sig maybe, which was downsized, no prob).

I like it that I don't have to worried about getting cussed out and flamed for something stupid. I prefer RV to other less moded fan-sites, because the atmosphere is much more mature IMO.


You have GOT to be joking.

Maybe in some select topics and forums..

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Amurond wrote:
You have GOT to be joking.

Maybe in some select topics and forums..

Maybe it's just about how people perceive you Amurond, if you were a friendly person you'd find that the atmosphere around you becomes much more positive.

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You have GOT to be joking.

Maybe in some select topics and forums..

Maybe it's just about how people perceive you Amurond, if you were a friendly person you'd find that the atmosphere around you becomes much more positive.


How do I respond to this stupidity without flaming it and illuminating its obvious flaws?

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Tokuman wrote:
Sarah wrote:
There are way too many mods, for example:

    global moderators/board moderators:

    tip.it: 10
    runevillage: 19

    local moderators/forum moderators

    tip.it: 19
    runevillage: 14

    staff/crew

    tip.it: 21
    runevillage: 23


As you can see we have more board moderators than Tip.it and nearly equal amounts of the other moderators when we probably have about 10% of their number of users, we simply have too many for such a small site, its probably something like 5 active users to every 1 ranked person atm, which really doesn't make sense.

I honestly feel something needs to be done about it, yes we joked about it at the begining of the month but my post was actually my real feelings towards the situation.


Tip.it isn't as strict about policies either. Up untill just a while ago you could buy and sell sigs there, even after it was clearly against rules. I don't think that comparing our selves to tip.it will really make us any better. I am here for a reason, and not in tip.it

There are some trigger happy mods, I guess. I really don't have a problem that often because I don't recal breaking a rule(except an oversized sig maybe, which was downsized, no prob).

I like it that I don't have to worried about getting cussed out and flamed for something stupid. I prefer RV to other less moded fan-sites, because the atmosphere is much more mature IMO.



Tip.it enforced the sig selling rule as soon as it was clearly added into the runescape rules that sig selling was considered as real life trading, so you're wrong about that one.

Runevillage also doesn't uphold some of the runescape rules, even now we have obvious rule breakers on the forums because the mods deem some of the runescape rules less important to uphold, such as account selling.

To be honest I could have compared us to any forum that I frequent for a wide variety of topics, I simply chose tip.it because it has the same type of client base as us as we are fansites for the same game.

Confidential information should be on a need to know basis, this is the same for any confidential information, the more people you have able to see confidential stuff the more chance there is of one of them getting hacked or someone leaking, but I'm sure you guys are good at dealing with that kinda thing anyway. I know leaking is going on because I keep getting questioned about it, though thankfully I'm not being the one leaked to.

This is why I believe no more moderators should be made, nothing positive comes from it as we always have good moderator coverage of the forums with the number we have :)

Saying that, I trust the admins in their ability to run the forums so I accept any decisions they make, I'm simply just putting my views out.

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I pretty much agree with Sarah on the topic at hand.

I don't know whether it's the consistent promotions or the amount in each promotion, but I'd lean towards the latter.

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Tip.it enforced the sig selling rule as soon as it was clearly added into the runescape rules that sig selling was considered as real life trading, so you're wrong about that one.


Come on now, you and I both know that when Jagex said REAL LIFE TRADING was against rules, it included everything REAL LIFE. You and I both know that includes signature selling for runescape items. Yes they DID enforce it once Jagex specified signature selling. People had already been getting banned for selling and buying signatures. :wink: I know I am not going to change your mind, but when I saw real world trading was against rules, I knew it included signatures :wink:

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Runevillage also doesn't uphold some of the runescape rules, even now we have obvious rule breakers on the forums because the mods deem some of the runescape rules less important to uphold, such as account selling.


That's funny. I have had a couple of friends banned for it. Didn't seem like the admins ignored it then. I am sure it happens, and it's hard to always prove. IMO if you think they are ignoring it, you might be mistaken. They may just not have the proof, and they chose not to fill everyone in on it. I am not 100% sure but you did say something about confidential information is on a need to know basis. Since it is, and should be as you stated previously, I don't think they you would be on their top list of need to know people. I am not trying to sound offencive, but you're not a mod or admin.

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Amurond wrote:
You have GOT to be joking.

Maybe in some select topics and forums..

Maybe it's just about how people perceive you Amurond, if you were a friendly person you'd find that the atmosphere around you becomes much more positive.


How do I respond to this stupidity without flaming it and illuminating its obvious flaws?

I know, a random famous internet picture:

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*whistles*


I think that's partly what he is talking about. You might be joking, or being sarcastic, but it seems like no. Other people may be able to respond in a nicer way. Amurond, I find it's most of the time quite pleasent and mature here. Sometimes it's not always like that though :wink:

*Edit* Amurond, why are you being so rude?

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 Post subject: Re: Overmoderation?
PostPosted: May 16th, 2008, 3:12 pm 
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Runevillage also doesn't uphold some of the runescape rules, even now we have obvious rule breakers on the forums because the mods deem some of the runescape rules less important to uphold, such as account selling.





Remember how kenshin got permanantly banned from RV for something he did completely ingame, while many members (I don't want to turn this into a flame war so I won't name anyone) say on RV about how they sell their accounts and nothing happens?

This is like Nazi Germany. Crimes committed by nazi officers or "desirable Germans" were openly ignored by the courts, while Jews and slavs were persecuted without any evidence or trial?

If one of the legends or respected members posted in chat about how often they auto, the administrators would do sod- all.

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