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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 2nd, 2013, 2:50 pm 
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I used to get you and J@n mixed up. Except your funnier. And nicer. Happy 21st bro!

Oh man Jan, you just got zinged by Riptide. How much does THAT suck?


Well, statistically speaking, slightly more than a giant suckusaur. A dire one.


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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 2nd, 2013, 6:30 pm 
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Everyone come play mafia.

Seriously, it could very well be the last game we ever have.

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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
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Everyone come play mafia.

Seriously, it could very well be the last game we ever have.


http://runevillage.com/ThePub/viewtopic.php?f=118&t=438951&start=40

Whilst it will be a shame not to play, I have taken it upon myself to host this game. I want it to be big. I want it to be active. For old time's sake, there is no reason not to put yourself forward to play (as long as you agree to remain active and give it a proper go)! You will have fun. Let's do this!

A special shoutout though: if it is at all possible, and people have no objections, and he sees it in time... I would very much like Hiker to try playing Mafia. RV is his website, more than anyone elses, and Mafia has been such a big part of it. I feel that this is something we should accommodate if there are no objections (objections can be PMed to me rather than cluttering this topic).

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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 2nd, 2013, 10:40 pm 
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*takes Henry's avatar and throws it into space* :spite:

You know... I'd forgotten how much I loved the smilies here. They're exceptionally well made and such a huge level up from what most forums have/had... Highfive to all who made the custom ones :awesome:

Now, can we throw the hostilities out the window? They won't help anything :down:

Did I mention I love these smilies :angst: :;_;: :>_<: :facepalm: -_- :glare: :grr: :anger: 8-[ :spite: :weird: :?: :smooth: :awesome: :XD: :lmao:


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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 2nd, 2013, 10:55 pm 
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The emotes here really are top notch. Someone make an app so I can use them on my Droid for texting. Nao.

Also: What sort of programming would I need to know to make an app for said purpose? I shall start to master it tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 2nd, 2013, 11:04 pm 
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I would suggest that those willing to put in time and effort form a "revival" group, and that that group be given a forum in which to have specific discussions. The forum should be open for all to read, but only members of the team can post. That will sort of let everyone see what's going on, while not distracting from business at hand. Suggestions could be made to any member and new members added when they make the commitment.

At least for now, let things be decided by the consensus of the committee.


I support this notion. Could an admin perhaps organise a forum and usergroup for this plan? Also, whilst I agree any decision should be made transparently, perhaps we should restrict the forum to just be open to logged-in members? Just to keep out unwanted peering eyes...
1) Making it "only members of the team can post" is the whole reason there's such an outcry about this. The point people are trying to make is that they want transparency. So let everyone post.

2) We don't really have unwanted prying eyes anymore. The only people that care about reviving RuneVillage are members of RuneVillage. So let everyone see.

3) Given the just-now established points that everyone should be able to see the forum and everyone should be able to post in the forum, I would like to direct everyone's attention to the fact that there is already a forum for this, and it's called Village Hall.

There's always been a TON of "make a forum/usergroup and we'll get to work" promises in the past.
Once the fourm/usergroup is made, almost nothing happens.
Your forum is Village Hall and your usergroup is Registered Users. Have at it.

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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 2nd, 2013, 11:55 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 3rd, 2013, 11:30 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 3rd, 2013, 12:21 pm 
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You know... I'd forgotten how much I loved the smilies here. They're exceptionally well made and such a huge level up from what most forums have/had... Highfive to all who made the custom ones :awesome: :
Goten made them, I think.

Yes. 98% sure goten made:

:down: :angst: :lmao: :XD: :laugh: :^_^: :facepalm: :>_<: :glare: :grr: :anger: :weird: :spite: :awesome: :smooth: :^o :ura: :bzzz: :admire: And probably a few more. Pretty sure :?: is a default eusa smilie though...

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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 3rd, 2013, 12:27 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 3rd, 2013, 12:34 pm 
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Toa made some, too.


Fair enough. Any idea which one's were made by whom?

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"But you will never succeed!" they cry out.
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Runevillage the forum is pretty well much done. Runevillage the group will eventually die, but as long as we're still friends with each other in the end, it's still a pretty big thought in our heads. Runevillage the family is forever, no matter where we settle down. If absolutely nothing else ever comes of Runevillage in the future, that alone is a pretty damn awesome thought.


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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 3rd, 2013, 3:15 pm 
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Reminds me of when somebody (I think Henner?) made the site have the vuvuzuela sound playing in the background. Good times.

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I used to get you and J@n mixed up. Except your funnier. And nicer. Happy 21st bro!

Oh man Jan, you just got zinged by Riptide. How much does THAT suck?


Well, statistically speaking, slightly more than a giant suckusaur. A dire one.


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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 3rd, 2013, 3:38 pm 
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PostPosted: December 3rd, 2013, 10:48 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 4th, 2013, 5:11 am 
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This is going back a few pages, but:
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Doesn't negate the fact that all ateempts to "save" the Village have been done behind closed doors, with little input from the people who it really matters to. Joe Bloggs user.

The attempts that the staff hatched to try to protect and preserve our baby were done behind the scenes simply because everyone that actually had any interest in keeping the site going already had access to those forums already.
To say that this site meant more to a regular user than it did to the staff who were nothing short of entirely responsible for its continued existence is nothing short of the world's worst lie told.



Every time a topic in the public like this would crop up it was a bunch of users out crying that they wished to help the site but didn't know how.
In truth, none of them ever wanted to put forth effort into helping the site better itself. The condensed group of five working on the guides made this very public that we needed and wanted help, but the public at large was not happy to oblige.

History Lesson/Behind the scenes talk: 
Back in 2009, following the rollback, the people that truly wanted to bring the site back showed their colours tenfold; the rest watched as the site already in shambles was brought back from the brink.

Back when we still had an honest shot at keeping current with guides and features there were only a group of maybe fifteen that actively tried to do anything.
Majority of which were coasting along to see what would come of RV2.0, waiting for the otherwise unresponsive coding team to say anything, something I am partially guilty of. I did, however, step back from the coding team and remained as a part of the web development team.
The others were maybe a group of five that worked tirelessly on the guides- writing, editing, and publishing through old archaic means, following rules that could have very well been improved but was never done.
We constantly had to wait for someone with active abilities to push the topics around in the forums or for someone with upload permissions to finally push something out to the live site, when in all honesty, everyone that was around working on the guides could have easily bore the otherwise weightless burdens ourselves.

Topics would sit in limbo waiting for a "lead editor" to come in and give a guide a once-over to make sure there was nothing wrong with the guide, this was completely unnecessary.
When it finally came time for a guide to be uploaded, we had to wait on one of two people to actually upload the guide, and we had absolutely no idea when they would show up, when it could have been done maybe fifteen minutes after the final product was posted in the forum.

This isn't to say we're completely without blame however. Should we have included the general userbase with us in our discussions? Maybe.
Should any of us have actually spoken out about the archaic way things were done? Perhaps. Who's to say we wouldn't have been brushed aside, to be dealt with at a later date?

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Shortly after the brief reprieve we caught from the work that Scar and a couple others whose names escape me, I was grandfathered in to the Clan Chat rework; becoming a moderator and taking on one of the most unusual aspects of running the site.

I did very much enjoy my time working with Goten at the helm and the other moderators, thriving toward making the clan chat a pretty awesome place to be, but it was often an exercise in my already waning patience.
While I cannot confirm 100% this was an issue for the other parts of the site, we were always held back by internal inactivity -- Duties for regularly maintaining punishment lists and pruning discussion topics fell upon a couple at best. Calls for activity checks were made, but none of them ever saw anything.
Whether it have been the utmost kindness from the administration to not push anyone down to elder or seeing the dreaded "you're inactive confirm/deny" private message prompting a response is beyond me.
I've mentioned it before, but the management of the step list for the clan chat and the pruning of punishment discussion topics were, for a lack of better terms, run wholly by myself. Tanksandguns would also pitch in on topics I might have missed, but the entire ordeal was slowed down massively by inactivity, and we could never have our group pruned to the point of smooth efficiency that it actually needed.
Not aided at all by the fact that Goten had some real life issues crop up, and was effectively gone until further notice. (I don't hold him accountable at all for this; it was out of his power.) Some of us had contact with him, but from then onward it fell on a couple of us to run the show the best we could, but that only went so far.

It may have just been me, but it never felt like my place to approach an administrator (rather than our clan chat administrator) about an activity check or promotion of a couple users to cover our weak spots. Due in part the fact that I was just a moderator, nothing more, nothing less. I may have assumed some of the responsibility that came with being the head of the clan chat, but I never was.

At the same time, things started becoming more desperate behind the scenes. We knew we were quickly falling out of a short window we made for ourselves, but we could never do anything about it.
Each time an idea was presented it came upon hiker at the time to either sort of approve or completely shut down our ideas... We were always held back by a greater force. Despite bringing the site back from the brink, we still weren't trusted enough to try and shape the site for what we, as a collective staff, saw was for the better. I mean not to mince words here, but by that point we had actively done more than hiker had to try and improve the site, and were only vetoed at the last moment because despite everything else, he was still the lead administrator and founder, and that's all there was to it.

Shortly thereafter I burnt out. Goten and I had exchanged through private messages time and time again that the more we did for the site felt like we were just putting money back in to an empty machine. Nothing more we could do would possibly shape the site's future for the better, and our efforts were probably best left elsewhere.
I stepped down from both my moderation position and my staff position, as I was no longer going to assume the responsibility that any of them held, nor did I want to keep a rank I was not actively earning.

I left with a heavy heart. The site had become a shell of its former self before my eyes, and nothing we had done over the years to try and bring it back worked.
Parting with the gargantuan amount of effort I had poured into the site cut deeply. The same as parting with the people I had once said I could never be without.


This is all in the past, and the final discussion of "what now?" is here, in the public, for everyone to weigh in on.



What do I think? This site is basically at it's end. I agree with Jackstick's opening post in that there's basically no way to change that.

I do not believe that the site should disappear, however.
It is relatively inexpensive to host a forum, especially with how small it has gotten over the last couple years, and I believe it would be at least somewhat worthwhile to keep that going for the few that still actively come around.

Past that? Who knows. I personally do not see a way for the site to progress such that it will burst in activity that would appease everyone here. At this point, you are a collective forum of people that have been around eachother for awhile and are going to remain as such. Members may trickle in as a friend of a friend or whatnot, but there really is no redemption left for the userbase.

The chat, which had always been near and dear to my heart since my arrival on the site can and apparently has been easily replaced by the multitude of third party messaging clients.
The Front page is just filler for making the site look more active than it really is.

Admittedly, I read only Jack's opening post and skimmed over the rest of the thread before signing in and giving my last few thoughts on the site, so I apologize if this has already been gone over to death and I've done nothing but waste my own and whomever has read this far's time.

In short, I'm not sure what else to say but keep the forums for the few that remain, and nix everything else.

It may seem sad, but there really isn't anything that could possibly be brought up here that hasn't already been covered in "Okay, what now?" topics that went on behind the scenes. The site had a good run. It saw a lot of users come and go, and has seen the same users grow from adolescence to adulthood.
From here unto infinity the site should just coast until it's finally done, and that time will be blatant enough for everyone to see.

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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 4th, 2013, 6:43 am 
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PostPosted: December 4th, 2013, 7:26 am 
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In truth, none of them ever wanted to put forth effort into helping the site better itself. The condensed group of five working on the guides made this very public that we needed and wanted help, but the public at large was not happy to oblige.


I can't remember if my experiences of working on guides happened while you were on the team, but I do remember the guides team having a "my way or the highway" attitude during one of the last attempts at a major overhaul of Runevillage's guides; the Runescape skill guides in particular. I put forward my name to work on several of them, one of the only members of the public to do so, and even wrote the beginning of a Runecrafting Skill guide. I was told that every guide overhaul needed to follow a format that had been selected by members of the guide team. Members who for the most part were no longer playing Runescape and had the absurd expectation that each individual skill guide should follow the same rigid format. Their argument was each guide overhaul had to be perfect or not happen at all, even if it was just a brief overhaul updating outdated information. What happened? Not a single guide was updated after I told them to shove it and removed the W.I.P guide I had posted. Nobody else cared at the time - they pushed away the only person who did with nonsense. Their 'strive for excellence' plan failed spectacularly.

Anyway, ancient history now I suppose.

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The chat, which had always been near and dear to my heart since my arrival on the site can and apparently has been easily replaced by the multitude of third party messaging clients.
The Front page is just filler for making the site look more active than it really is.


Yeah, what's happening with this? Is it time to kill the Chat & the Front Page? I'm in favour of doing so personally.

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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 4th, 2013, 7:36 am 
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In truth, none of them ever wanted to put forth effort into helping the site better itself. The condensed group of five working on the guides made this very public that we needed and wanted help, but the public at large was not happy to oblige.


I can't remember if my experiences of working on guides happened while you were on the team, but I do remember the guides team having a "my way or the highway" attitude during one of the last attempts at a major overhaul of Runevillage's guides; the Runescape skill guides in particular. I put forward my name to work on several of them, one of the only members of the public to do so, and even wrote the beginning of a Runecrafting Skill guide. I was told that every guide overhaul needed to follow a format that had been selected by members of the guide team. Members who for the most part were no longer playing Runescape and had the absurd expectation that each individual skill guide should follow the same rigid format. Their argument was each guide overhaul had to be perfect or not happen at all, even if it was just a brief overhaul updating outdated information. What happened? Not a single guide was updated after I told them to shove it and removed the W.I.P guide I had posted. Nobody else cared at the time - they pushed away the only person who did with nonsense. Their 'strive for excellence' plan failed spectacularly.

Anyway, ancient history now I suppose.


The "my way or the highway" attitude ran through the whole guides team, at least when I was there back in 07-09. I believe many RV groups teams were brought to their knees by draconic leaders who would only have things their way. At least with the Villager you had quite a lot of creative freedom.

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The chat, which had always been near and dear to my heart since my arrival on the site can and apparently has been easily replaced by the multitude of third party messaging clients.
The Front page is just filler for making the site look more active than it really is.


Yeah, what's happening with this? Is it time to kill the Chat & the Front Page? I'm in favour of doing so personally.


Axe meepchat for Flashchat and ditch the homepage until we can come up with something else.

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 Post subject: Re: Everyone Read
PostPosted: December 4th, 2013, 6:42 pm 
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