Any of you who voted no should be shot. There is clearly way to may moderators around here and it's something I stressed while being an admin and was basically told me opinion didn't matter they're doing it anyway. But I've said many times there's to many moderators and there will always be, the problem is I tend to see the board moderator rank as like an executive parter rank at a company. These people get promoted and tend to sleep on their position, although not all of them, because I would be offending some people, but a good chunk of board moderators get their ranks and take a step back from what they're doing. People get busy, ect.. but I see no need to go and replace those people who have left when we're already overfilled with positions.

But that's my two cents, not like people will listen to me this time. I hope applequest can fix this, he at least agreed with me on these matters.

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I love you and agree with your post. Great point made

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Another note: I think usergroup management could be improved, as many members of those are inactive nowadays.

Wernt you a Staff Admin? Last time i checked you were a forum mod therefore you never really earned the promotion when it came to modding - You got the rank by default because you worked behind the scenes

Thats not really fair so could say you were "sleeping" when it came to promotions through the modding rank system

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I do not recall agreeing with any of that. I have no problem with how the forums are moderated, and I dont think we have too many mods. And besides, this topic isnt about how many moderators there are, it is about what they are doing, which is much more important. Heck, if the forum ran most smoothly with one moderator per villager, Id have no problem with doing that. I frankly couldnt care less about the people who cite tip.it as an example of why we have too many moderators. This is Runevillage, not tip.it. Hiker believes strongly that people should be rewarded for good behavior, friendliness, helpfulness, and activity. I agree. If people get promoted and then get inactive, they are switched to elder, big deal. There was one situation when we had too many mods, over 70 new mods were promoted at once, including myself. Since then, we have learned better, and have modded smaller groups, and we have not had too many moderators at any point since then.

If you have a problem with the mods deleting things they shouldnt, thats an entirely different issue. Thats a policy matter, and has nothing to do with the number of mods. Im perfectly happy to discuss that, but in terms of actual numbers, we do not have too many mods, it hasnt caused any problems.

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You see that is the problem Apple, moderation shouldn't be seen as a reward but as a necessity, agreed it should only be given out to those who are good etc but not to all of them. I compared Runevillage to tip.it because they are both fansites for the same game so they have approximately the same type of community visiting them, the comparision was simply there to show you don't need the mod:user ratio we have to be able to keep a fansite safe for its users.

I'm not saying demod the current active moderators, all I'm saying is we don't need to recruit any until the number of active moderators drops significantly or the activity on the forums increases significantly. Activity has been gradually falling yet we still get more mods, which makes absolutely no sense (no offense to anyone recently promoted).

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We love you very much, but you're wrong. We do have more mods than we "need," but there's nothing wrong with that. If anything bad ever happens on the forums, there's always a mod around to take care of it. If we only had as many mods as we "needed" and no more, bad situations would take longer to get resolved.

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Well, I dont know what to say other than I disagree. I dont understand what the problem is with having "too many" moderators if there are no problems resulting from it. In fact, Id argue that by definition, we dont have "too many" moderators if there is no problem. The metric you are using to judge what too many is, is comparing us to tip.it. Once again, I couldnt care less about tip.it and their number of mods. If things are running smoothly here, thats what I care about, and they are.

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You know I respect you apple, so no offense intended, but it is obvious that things are not going smoothly, now the moderating side might be but the sites population continues to decline whereas other fansites are growing with runescape. Something went badly wrong a couple of years back and since then the site hasn't been the same, I'm not saying its anything to do with the moderating issue, but if you keep moderating people then eventually theres gonna be no-one to mod. Now I will respect your arguement that adding new mods doesnt make anything worse, but it doesn't make anything better either. The chats moderating system is far better where they only moderate people when they need more moderators, I don't see why the forums can't be the same.

The system is not working.

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I dont think that that has anything to do with the number of mods. Just because two events happen doesnt mean there is a correlation between them. On the other hand, I think there is a direct correlation between the state of the main site and the state of the forums. When our guides and such were just about the best out there, the forums were at their all-time busiest. As we have fallen further behind, the forums have too. It has nothing to do with the number of moderators. I will repeat that we are definitely not over-moderated right now, there are only a handful of very active moderators.

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Also you shouldn't have exactly the number of mods needed, because then, you have to replace a position each time someone gets demodded. It's better to have more of them, because then there is no worry and hurry about the replacement.

A fansite is like a clan. If everyone is a moderator, things may run smoothly but it kills the value of the rank. And everyone simply has power to edit based on preferences rather than rules.

The forums are a large reason why RV has declined in population, Apple. The site also is lacking like you said. But thats because RV has the bad name of 'the site that removed... ~Jackstick. Because of the rules over friends policy which in turn makes you look like a communist society where friends will betray friends or children will betray parents. So no one wants to join or contribute to it.

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That's not exactly hard to do.


Let's just get this clear. I (and no one else) is suggesting de-modding anyone. I'm merely suggesting that we ease up on the promotions until activity picks up, and consider adopting a more lenient moderation policy.

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"What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when they open fire along the whole line? I am ashamed of you. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."- The last words of General John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in the American civil war

If you want an example, then here you go:





It was just a woman in a bikini, I mean that's really offensive

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"What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when they open fire along the whole line? I am ashamed of you. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..."- The last words of General John Sedgewick, killed by a sniper in the American civil war

"Not I", said azwoo.

Now i can see why you think theres "Trigger-happy" moderators here, you don't see the point of why that moderator removed the picture.

Try this; PG, And don't give me this PG-13 crap, It's just PG now, So I've heard.

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Actually, hiker has said that the PG-13 rating is the one most similar to RV's policies. But we aren't bound by the specific guidelines of the PG or PG-13 rating.

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Well, it always helps to keep yourself updated.

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Quality over quantity.

I will always believe the mods are too trigger happy, nothing will really change my mind. It has been like that since whenever this place started moderating WAY too many mods at once. People who weren't complete stand-outs like previous moderations, but sort of just seemed like "they'll do". I will also never forget that I was awarded two warnings for posting two acronyms that had the F-word in it to two of my friends because of a spastic moderator.

The moderator position lost it's prestige along time ago. It's funny to remember that one or two moderators are only here because an administrator got drunk too On the amount of mods we have, I reluctantly agree with Sarah. I think hiker's generosity got the better of him with promotions, and it has shown by the way this site is moderated at times.

However don't get this post mixed up with thinking that I am better than anyone else. I was promoted in the chat room when I hardly even visited it, lol.

To be fair to the moderators though, it is also Runevillage's age restriction etc that may cause them to be considered trigger happy. After visiting different styles of forums as of late, this place can be considered extremely strict and it purely opinion whether that is good or bad. What isn't opinion is that the moderators, at times, can't help being a little "trigger happy"

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Sorry guys, but finally a post that is short and sweet. I don't like the 5 paragraph ones...

Also that I agree that what is said in it.

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