I.. almost want to vote you for that OMGUS, Scar.

I'm not really following some aspects of Lander's argument though so I'm a little cautious about following him into that. By this I mean things like:



This point ignores Market Man's post that prompted Scar's statement.



Lander, I think you're experienced enough to not to overlook stuff like this so this smells suspiciously like twisting the facts to fit the rest of your argument, which for the most part I agree with you about, things like stating the obvious and suspicious word-choice in regards to Market's roleclaim.

For now I'll settle for a FOS Scar and IGMEOU (I've Got My Eye On You) on Lander.

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Tahu, I'm a little concerned with your lack of contribution so far. You posted once on Day 1 commentating on the obvious jokey-ness of the day, and then once today stating the obvious about the Market Man situation. I understand you've got a bit of an activity freeze coming up, but IGMEOU.

Ranger, Riptide, Dale, Animal, and Jackstick... where are all of you? I know Animal and Jackstick are notorious for little activity regardless of their role, but Ranger and Riptide have been sparse and Dale hasn't even shown up.

Keeping my vote on Riptide, but these questions go for all of you:

How do you explain your activity?

What is your opinion on the Scar and Landerpurex debacle?

What do you think of Market's roleclaim?

and more vaguely and broad

Who do you think is mafia and why?

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Topsummoner- I DEFINITELY like the way you called out all those guys I am very interested in the responses.

But, I want to ask you: what if, during the night lander was able to get some info about scar. So lander knows scar is scum. But doesn't want to blow his cover and get himself lynched.

Possible? Discuss.

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I believe that if Lander was a detective-type role and had a guilty investigation, he would claim with it.

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Had bad thunderstorms here over the weekend & didn't have Internet until today

Could go with the Bandwagon Vote but will catch up on the before posts 1st.

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Generally the day after the Detective gets a successful investigation he will claim, that way the town gets a guaranteed Scumkill and he can then be protected by the Doctor.

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Topsummoner wrote:

Riptide wrote:

I used to get you and J@n mixed up. Except your funnier. And nicer. Happy 21st bro!

Oh man Jan, you just got zinged by Riptide. How much does THAT suck?

Well, statistically speaking, slightly more than a giant suckusaur. A dire one.

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Lets see if I remember how to play...

EX REX IS MAFIA SCUM FOURTHVOTER UNVILLAGE BLAH BLAH BLAH SCUM BLAH WINE IN FRONT OF ME BLAH BLAH META GAME BLAH BLAH BLAH SMELLS OF ELDERBERRIES BLAH

Right?

Sorry for not posting much, but I honestly don't really have much to contribute. Scar and Lander could easily be any number of things, and neither of them really has enough evidence against them to convince me yet. I've already tossed in my two cents about Market and how I'm going to wait to see how that plays out, too...really, I'm just not seeing much going on. Maybe I'm rusty at this, but I guess I am only seeing the obvious.

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YES THERE HAS. Did you even read my post? The mafia point out the obvious to make it look like they are contributing more than they are. They do this to 'fluff' their posts. This has happened so many goddamn times that I can't even count them. Tahu1000 when scum comes to mind. An inexperienced Topsummoner comes to mind. Downplaying and wrongfully dismissing key parts of my argument is also scummy.



No such thing as excessive overexplanation in this game. Anyone who gives more than a one or two sentence response as to why they're voting ought to be commended (or examined, heheh). They are issues, subtle ones, and I've brought them to the forefront. That's all there is for now, but thankfully you've given me more ammo here.



I seem to have made a mistake, and I apologize. It seems you didn't vote for him. That really doesn't make my point any less valid, though.



And here is the creme de la creme. Perhaps the scummiest thing you could have done. An OMGUS vote? Against ME (/arrogance)? I think you're in over your head, sonny. Let me tell you a little secret of mafia veterans: we will latch on to any little scummy reasons we can, perhaps even paper ones, to create activity and get the accused person (and others) talking. Myself, Kikori, Paidea, topsummoner, and other veterans are famous for this and we do it EVERY GAME. Why? Because it works, as seen here. Though the reasons I cited against you are more solid than most I've used to this end in the past.

As early as humanly possible, I will find the player exhibiting the most scummy behavior and then hound that person. This means you, this game. And I've done this successfully to you before, if you recall.

What really alarms me is other experienced players (tahu and top) are still reluctant to vote for you, even after this response and the OMGUS vote. Top, especially, concerns me. Scar is in no real danger of being lynched, and normally it seems to me that Top would contribute his vote to pressure Scar further and perhaps ultimately, be part of the lynch train. The fact that he's acknowledging Scar's scumminess but not voting for him really alarms me. This is yet another mafia tactic, if/when they aren't willing to vote for their own, they acknowledge their brethren's scumminess but don't contribute to the train in the hopes to save them. The ONLY reason I'm not voting for you now is because Scar is far scummier.

Anyway, Marketman, that'd be an accurate hypothesis. Top is somewhat right, and somewhat wrong. If I had role-related information that
fingered Scar as scum, I would most likely come out with it as soon as possible. Although, it is so early in the game that I might also lay low and try to see him lynched instead. But I'm a pretty high-profile target for the mafia whether I have a role or not, so odds are I'd come out with it. In short, I am not the detective and I have no evidence against Scar other than what I've presented.

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Also, this type of thing is inexcusable. Why don't you make a contribution that's more than "uhh, I dunno...let's just wait and see". You know what happens when we wait and see? Townies die.

And to top about marketman's comment...I'm watching him closely, count on that. It's hard for me to gauge these brand new players, though. That comment didn't really sit wrongly with me, it seems to fit his personalty and playstyle. It's actually rather refreshing.

On that note, as someone previously pointed out, I can't say MM wouldn't be SMART enough to fake claim, but I doubt he'd risk it in his first game. Though he could easily have a more experienced player advising him, there's really no one here that I could see advising a fake claim based on past experiences.

And I also recall Tahu's rationalization for MM's possible fake roleclaim...and I have to say: really, man? Just because there's possibly a gravedigger role doesn't mean there isn't a detective and/or doctor. And the statement that kikori wouldn't remove those ones in lieu of rarer roles is nonsense. I know kikori better than most, especially when it comes to mafia, and if you think that he doesn't have some tricks up his sleeve, don't be surprised to find yourself badly mistaken.

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@ Dale

Eagerly awaiting your contribution, then.

@ Tahu

Okay you just kind of said a whole lot of nothing again but at least you sort of answered the questions....?

@ Riptide

...Really not helping your case here buddy.

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@ Lander

I didn't vote for Scar because I didn't like the vibe I was getting from you and the oversights you made. (ignoring Market's post that prompted Scar's, claiming Scar voted for Noob) As scum you'd be more than capable of fabricating a good case for Scar, so I didn't want to follow you immediately. As for contributing my vote to pressure him further, he's already responding to your accusations so that isn't really necessary.

I instead wanted to use my vote to pressure the six-ish players who have disappointing activity. Apparently that means nothing to Riptide though, as he responded by ignoring my questions and retaining the same attitude of 'lolololol saying nothing.' He looks scummy but I can't tell whether he's just being a terrible player or not.

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Sure....

But your hatred for and the undoubtedly scummy nature of OMGUS votes is apparent. This was why I am concerned that you won't vote for him. It's pretty much the worst thing you can do as a mafioso other than an outright claim.

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I guess my question is: What more evidence do you need???

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...Not much. After your last post Scar is very clearly the best target. But a vote from me at this point will just seem like it's coming out of pressure from you, will it not?

Additionally: Activity is and has been for some time the bane of RV mafia games. Do you not see the benefits of my crusade on the inactive as well? For example, how do you expect to lynch Scar when it would be necessary to convince every active player to vote for him?

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hey rex!
you have been around mafia games for a while. what do you think of all this?
the lander/scar debacle.
tohu response.
topsummoner behavior.
my role claim.

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I'll vote for whoever has the Most votes for a Lynch. MM6 Role= Good use incase that person has a Good role ability : doctor/Detective

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Dale's either scum and very, very good at putting on the "new player" act, or he's really new at this. Unless anyone's played a game with him before, I'm going to assume the latter and play the nice senior here.

Dale, while it generally is good to try and vote for a lynch each day (except Day 1), you don't just want to vote for whomever has the most votes. A good quarter of the players in each game are generally scum, so it's not unlikely that some, if not all, of those votes are scum voting for a player they know isn't scum. At this point, we've got a likely three possible scum votes to contend with, which is almost half the number required to lynch; it's generally easy for scum to jump on a lynch bandwagon without looking too suspicious, and the sort of behavior you're saying you intend to participate in is good for getting townies lynched. You should judge everyone by your own means and then vote for who you honestly think is scummiest.

Speaking of scum and votes, after Scar's OMGUS vote, Lander's plethora of good points, and Top's observation that we essentially need every active vote to lynch someone at this point, I'm going to have to go ahead and throw my weight behind the Scar train, as it's our only actual chance of getting something done today.

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1.) Animal - DaleX99s
2.) DaleX99s
3.) Ex Rex - n00b 4 m1nin
4.) Jackstick - n00b 4 m1nin
5.) Landerpurex - Scar
6.) Market Man6
7.) n00b 4 m1nin
8.) Rangerpker
9.) Riptide - n00b 4 m1nin
10.) Scar - Market Man6 Landerpurex
11.) Tahu 1000 - Scar
12.) Topsummoner - Market Man6 Riptide

DaleX99s - 1/7. Landerpurex - 1/7. n00b 4 m1nin - 3/7. Riptide - 1/7. Scar - 2/7.

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I'll go off of Top's questions to get started:

How do you explain your activity? - A bit lower than usual

What is your opinion on the Scar and Landerpurex debacle? - The way Scar unvoted for Market without questioning anything seems like he didn't want to bring attention to himself. (I'll do more on this when I get back home)

What do you think of Market's roleclaim? - I haven't played Mafia much, but is the Gravedigger something that has come up before? Could he be claiming it to pull votes off of himself? I'm taking it with a grain of salt, until something happens that can prove him. Also: "I was checking the game frequently in case I needed to retract my vote, to spare his life. He was never in any real danger." just screams "I WAS KIDDING GUYS HE WOULDN'T HAVE GOT LYNCHED I SUPER SWEAR"

FOS: Scar and Market

I'll make another post when I get home in ~2-3 hours.

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I still view Market's behavior as scummy, but I bought his roleclaim because:

'Gravedigger' fits the theme that Kikori has chosen for this game, with the Mafia being the majority faction.

Kikori does not like to host conventionally, so it's highly likely he came up with some roles of his own creation for this game.

'Gravedigger' would not make sense as a Renegade role.

Market Man is too inexperienced to be making such a believable fake claim, so I'm inclined to believe him.

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