Aww, I wanted to hear more of his tirade.

WIFOM situation. Either some rookie-ish mafia is trying to frame me, or a veteran mafia member has tried to frame me assuming I will believe the aforementioned.

The 'toot toot' stuff was because I did exactly what I set out to do, which was create substantial activity. I had a feeling about Doc Henry, and I was apparently wrong. The main purpose of that exchange was to get serious, or as serious as I could....something seemed off to me about Doc, and I went for it.

What baffles me, though, is why the mafia would kill him when he was close to lynch yesterday, and they should have known I would pursue him further today. This leads me to believe that a less experienced mafioso may be calling the shots, which makes me believe that Top, Kikori, and perhaps Monk may be innocent.

Riptide

You gonna do or say anything useful this time around?

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Possibly. You gonna vote for me because I'm being myself?

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Riptide wrote:

I used to get you and J@n mixed up. Except your funnier. And nicer. Happy 21st bro!

Oh man Jan, you just got zinged by Riptide. How much does THAT suck?

Well, statistically speaking, slightly more than a giant suckusaur. A dire one.

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Lets see if I remember how to play...

EX REX IS MAFIA SCUM FOURTHVOTER UNVILLAGE BLAH BLAH BLAH SCUM BLAH WINE IN FRONT OF ME BLAH BLAH META GAME BLAH BLAH BLAH SMELLS OF ELDERBERRIES BLAH

Right?

It's looking like it, Rip. Yourself is admittedly never particularly productive where discussions and mafia pickings are concerned.
P.S. You missed the rest of his post if you think that's the only reason you have a vote on you.

Monk's persistence confuses me, and so does Lander's choice of target. Lander's claiming that Henry's death was a WIFOM attack against him while there are two equally, if not better "I'm being framed!" considerations. I begrudge saying this, but: Myself and PenguinGuy. Being "on Henry's side" more or less, I was the target of suspicion while he had the popular vote. And Penguin was by far the most direct at attacking Henry. All I see Lander as remotely related for was the "semi-serious" bit that started Henry's thoughts.

So two thoughts. Why is Lander claiming Henry's death was against him in specific, and why would he go against Riptide despite the above information being very clearly present?

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I saw the vote on me and got a little hot-headed, heh.



See, this is funny because you've been Mafia with me in the past. And you know that when I am a Mafia, with or without you, I go for veteran players first. Meaning either you, Kik, or Sig. No offense, but I don't consider Doc a veteran. Not to mention he's had bad experiences with getting killed right off the bat before, so this isn't exactly a new thing. And again, no offense, I'm not the only inexperienced player here. Aragorn is still a bit rusty and Godders is as newer to this than I am.

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Kikori wrote:

Topsummoner wrote:

Riptide wrote:

I used to get you and J@n mixed up. Except your funnier. And nicer. Happy 21st bro!

Oh man Jan, you just got zinged by Riptide. How much does THAT suck?

Well, statistically speaking, slightly more than a giant suckusaur. A dire one.

PenguinGuy wrote:

Lets see if I remember how to play...

EX REX IS MAFIA SCUM FOURTHVOTER UNVILLAGE BLAH BLAH BLAH SCUM BLAH WINE IN FRONT OF ME BLAH BLAH META GAME BLAH BLAH BLAH SMELLS OF ELDERBERRIES BLAH

Right?

This shocks me.
Riptide

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Topsummoner wrote:

Riptide wrote:

I used to get you and J@n mixed up. Except your funnier. And nicer. Happy 21st bro!

Oh man Jan, you just got zinged by Riptide. How much does THAT suck?

Well, statistically speaking, slightly more than a giant suckusaur. A dire one.

PenguinGuy wrote:

Lets see if I remember how to play...

EX REX IS MAFIA SCUM FOURTHVOTER UNVILLAGE BLAH BLAH BLAH SCUM BLAH WINE IN FRONT OF ME BLAH BLAH META GAME BLAH BLAH BLAH SMELLS OF ELDERBERRIES BLAH

Right?

It shocks me that you...
1.) Don't consider him a vet
2.) Would refer to his day/night-one death experiences as your defense when everyone's had D/N1 death experiences
3.) You... wait, crap, I forgot to quote a sentence.

3.) You would readily deflect a "rookie" player suspicion just like that.

The fact that a known and respected vet (even if just among vets) is dead puts you in the suspicion, even if not as Godfather / the one responsible for the kill. Your statements do nothing to change that.

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Monk has a point, that Kikori seems to have ignored. Just because you don't like his quirk doesn't mean you can just ignore him. You had one last game, which you faked for two days even. And I have to disagree with you on Riptide. The definition of rookie and veteran doesn't make a mafia; I disagree that Riptide can be called a rookie (he's been playing since the timewarp). And his N1 death argument is not sound logic, but the argument he's defending against isn't very sound either and even you said that.

Lander, your WIFOM logic is pretty shaky. Henry was not near a lynch. He had one vote, me, with a weak day one argument with little momentum. So why are you assuming that end of the WIFOM, rookie instead of veteran? And why Riptide? I truly don't think we can call him rookie, he has played many games.

Landerpurex. Riptide is a bad train and we should stop it before it starts.

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It's a bit annoying that Monk is continuing with his quite obviously faked post restriction, but his argument is at least coherent.

I'll translate for those who have ignored his post:



Kikori contradicted himself in attacking Lander for escalating things, and then stated it's something he does himself.

Kikori wrote:

Lander's claiming that Henry's death was a WIFOM attack against him while there are two equally, if not better "I'm being framed!" considerations. I begrudge saying this, but: Myself and PenguinGuy. Being "on Henry's side" more or less, I was the target of suspicion while he had the popular vote.

I don't see how that would make you suspicious upon Henry's death. Really, I agree with Lander, he was arguing head-on against a seeming coalition of you and Henry.

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BBCode is acting strange... it was most definitely right when I wrote my post.

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Penguin, I honestly don't see the point Monk was making. Nor does Topsummoner re-stating it make it any clearer. Also, before I delve into that, let's get one mistake clear. I faked being drunk for one day, and with a reason: acting drunk for a day and then trying to explain why my role only made it last one day would have been as good as suicide in my mind. It was a choice forced onto me, where you chose your meta-joke and Monk very likely is still choosing his dictionary-style flavor.

I'm being hypocritical for calling Lander out on the following logic.
"Hi, I am Landerpurex, and I am calling myself "semi-serious" while posting numerous things I feel make Henry--a powerful player and potential great threat to the mafia--deserve death."
To which I responded he is either joking and fishing for reactions, or Mafia and being reckless (which was established as a possibility well within his behaviors as Mafia in the past).

For some reason, calling out someone who's being "semi-serious" about how he feels the rest of the town should react BASED ON SOMEONE'S DEATH ON DAY ONE and voting for him + falling for the activity ploy + naturally liking to help create activity = I'm a hypocrite.
... Why? I honestly do not see the logic. There is a + ____ __ ___ missing that someone is going to have to fill in. Until then, no, I'm not going to take this "valid point" seriously.

And Top, my logic stands for Lander's post after Henry's death. He was not the only one arguing against the "coalition". ANYONE who argued against either me or Henry would be a suspect due to us being deemed linked on Day One, and I would be suspect due to being on his side. Every damn thing about it screams potential WIFOM for anyone involved, and the fact that Lander chose to think it was about him and him alone confused me.

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Kikori. I know you and Top both very well. We talk about mafia at length outside of runevillage (always within the rules, mind). I won't apologize for tentatively ruling you out in my suspicion, because I believe that you 1. wouldn't try to frame me, 2. wouldn't kill doc given the pattern of him dying early recently and 3. as I said, he was town (presumably). I affirm that I am town. In what world would a (smart) mafia kill off an argument between two townies?

Now. Your penguinguy point has a lot of merit. I failed to mention it as I wanted to test him further and see if he still wanted to be best buds. Apparently not. He is, without a doubt, very high on my list of suspects. Especially now that he is voting for me after the events of yesterday. At the end of the day it appears that Doc did only have one vote on him. But the basis of the logic stands. The argument would have continued, with or without votes.

There's also an obvious possibility that it had nothing to do with me or anyone else, that the mafia killed Doc simply because he is a dangerous player.

Kikori, you've made yourself more suspicious by calling suspicion to yourself. A wily mafia move, if true. In any case, a townie should NEVER want to call that kind of attention to himself, as he knows he is town. He should be concerned with rooting out the mafia, not calling unneeded attention to himself. If you believe that my refusing to name you a suspect somehow correlates to me being scum, then I fail to follow your logic.

Therefor, the only use for such behavior is to try and make yourself *look* town.

And one more thing. I have been trying out a new tactic for a few games now, and it's been working to some extent, but it's also gotten me into trouble. I consider myself a dangerous player when town, as do others . What I have been doing recently is purposefully taking the wrong paths, picking fights with those I believe to be townies, and generally been acting 'off my game'. I've been doing this to stay alive, and it has been working, just as kikori adopting the drunk persona for an extra day. But it also has been backfiring, calling A LOT of unnecessary attention to myself. And sometimes this is mafiosos trying to see me lynched, and sometimes it's townies believing I am scum.

That said, some will undoubtedly use it as an excuse to see me lynched, and some will see it as true.

Lastly, you should not necessarily correlate a vote for Riptide as a vote for a rookie, or a vote for someone I think is scum. I genuinely want that boy to realize his potential as a mafia player. He's been in plenty of games, at this point, there really is no excuse for bad play. Though he did refute my point/s with some success, he made a personal appeal, not a logical one.

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The Riptide train? I started it, kikori escalated it. He is still several votes from death, especially now that I have unvoted him. As I said, you don't need to necessarily correlate Riptide with rookie, or with the WIFOM situation. It was a separate thought with no transition.

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I made sure to pick my words carefully when I said "the fact that Lander chose to think it was about him and him alone confused me." I saw the action as neither Townie nor Mafia, because alone the action didn't seem to fit either. Not once have I directly linked your behavior today to that of being Mafia... Only the "semi-serious" argument yesterday. It could be argued that anyone involved with talking to me and Henry is suspect, but that directly concerns people being involved with WIFOM logic, which again affects town and mafia equally.

As for drawing attention to one's self, you probably already noticed, it's a tactic that may help the mafia not kill us in the night. Why waste a night kill on someone who's had faulty logic through the game enough that a lynch would be easily secured? That style of play has saved my ass a few times.


Am I further a hypocrite for reasons unknown to you, sirs Monk and Top? I'm still waiting on my explanation, which even Lander didn't seem to provide despite giving his shiny two cents on what I've done this game.

My vote, however, stands. Some success to Lander =/= enough success to me.

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The point lies in voting for him in his escalation ploy, while claiming you like to escalate things yourself.

I wasn't trying to lynch you off this, I was bringing attention to it since you ignored Monk, speaking of whom, should probably stop posting in Wikipedia quotes and actually contribute normally. It feels like an effort to fly under the radar, whether it's the mafia's radar or the village's radar is up to debate. Either way, it's hard to get a read on him, and with Henry's death his input would be helpful.

@ Lander

What exactly is your point against Penguin? You keep saying you're suspicious of him without ever really saying why.

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His "escalation ploy" was not known as a ploy to all at the time. He didn't make it known until well after Monk voted for me.
Here's what's funny. Monk voted for me for "hypocritically" being proud of making some activity despite me not knowing what Lander's action was. Chugga chugga choo choo I'm a bad guy for actively, bluntly propagating activity. Lander then came out with his post and reasons behind his actions. Afterwards? You, Top, had all the pieces to the puzzle when making your post. Monk did not. Yet you agree with the argument as though he did have it, since you wanted to call attention out to me based off it.

Something about this order of operations doesn't sit well with me. Was I a hypocrite before, when I made a joke about escalating things while calling out Lander for just (at the time) "joking around"? Or was I one after, when his post proved me wrong about thinking he was indeed only semi-serious? Either Monk could see into Lander's head to know what I was a hypocrite over, or his lack of detailed posts was a bit of a straw grasp. Regardless, not the best logic to call someone out on.

And with all the pieces there to look at, you still support it, Topsummoner.

(TL;DR? Either Monk knew was Lander was doing on day one and thought I did as well, or his claim of "hypocrite" was a shot in the dark. Lander's reveal confirms he was indeed after activity, which proved me wrong about Lander's day-one level of seriousness. Top, however, still wants to put attention onto me for not answering Monk. [Personal note: Doesn't help that the only other person who wanted to do so on any level was PenguinGuy, who's currently under fire as well, and based his argument off Monk's quote quirk than lack of anything credible.])

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....What?

I... even with the TLDR I don't understand your post.

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TC;DU: You're bringing suspicion onto me based off bad logic that's been all but refuted.

Mark: I beat people for fun!
Jacob: You cad! *Beats up Mark*
Sean: I realize Mark was joking, but choose not to say so, and assume Jacob knew it was a joke but did so out of spite!
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Sean: Jacob, how could you beat up Mark after he joked about beating up people for fun?
Mark: I was joking about beating up people for fun!
Jacob: Whoops.
James: I agree with Sean! Answer him, now!

... It's been answered. What's there to call out? You're piling on suspicion over quite literally nothing.

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My last post wasn't piling on additional suspicion, it was clearing up the point you were confused about.

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Your last post, sure.


That post? A little more than the molehill you're calling it. You can claim it wasn't intended to lynch me all you want, votes exist in this game to kill people.

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