For sake of completeness, even though this is what you've done since Mafia started back up

Ex Rex, where are you?

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Status as a legend. You probably don't have the sheer number of games behind you as most of us here, but you've benefited by playing with some of the best in the past that some of us haven't played with much, or ever (in the case of the quests).

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And no, that's not how D1 works anymore. Not really.

99% of the time we don't get a lynch on D1 because they're just really misinformed, and it's easy for the mafia to hide behind a D1 lynch as a mistake.

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That's all I was asking, surely not that ridiculous a question was it?
Like I said, it's been a year I'm very rusty.

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In response to Aragorn: That, argue with people about jokative logic to get real logic out of it, find a person who's almost always Mafia and kill 'em to be safe, find a person who's always been villager and kill 'em on suspicion of FINALLY rolling Mafia (I'm looking at you, Rex)... Basically, pick a direction and roll with it.

In response to Lander...

Pt. 1 - "Borderline insane" and "sometimes it's really tiresome" do nothing but imply a dislike for how I approached the plea for activity.
Pt. 2 - There aren't many people who say "I wouldn't be surprised of your scum" and come out not meaning "I think you're scum". Nor are there many people who would read the former and not arrive at the latter. Try picking your words a little more carefully. And given you've never played with me as Mafia, you don't know my number one golden rule--I don't "fabricate". If I see something I can attack someone on, I attack, whether they're Mafia or Village. Remember that for when we roll red names together, I'll bus you in a heartbeat if you do anything scummy enough for me to call you on.
Pt. 3 - How is "or something" anything but signaling that you didn't give due consideration to the points at hand? If you're willing to throw around ideas of people being scum, then yes, I full well expect you put forth the effort to look into what's being said and respond to it.



I'm insinuating your calling me out to ask "What does Lander think" before making any conclusions of my own was nigh on hypocritical. To the point th--oh, for 's sake. I lost track of time. :\ Work's starting.
THIS POST IS NOT FINISHED, LANDER, SO DON'T YOU DARE ASSUME I'M DONE WITH YOU. D:<

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Riptide, any opinions? Gonna say more than ?

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Thanks Lou for the help with the avatar.

Your inactive status.

And usually D1 is just a load of bullshit. Except when Kikori is involved, then things get serious.

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Riptide wrote:

I used to get you and J@n mixed up. Except your funnier. And nicer. Happy 21st bro!

Oh man Jan, you just got zinged by Riptide. How much does THAT suck?

Well, statistically speaking, slightly more than a giant suckusaur. A dire one.

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Lets see if I remember how to play...

EX REX IS MAFIA SCUM FOURTHVOTER UNVILLAGE BLAH BLAH BLAH SCUM BLAH WINE IN FRONT OF ME BLAH BLAH META GAME BLAH BLAH BLAH SMELLS OF ELDERBERRIES BLAH

Right?

Yeah and then he gets murdered Night One unless there is a backstabber in the Mafia.

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Pt. 1-more of a bitter apathy. Bitter being the key word. Furthermore, what is your larger point here? That I'm scum because I apparently don't want you creating activity, or that I'm scum because I am disdainful towards the lazy yet am apparently lazy myself?

99% of your undoing is pursuing (minuscule, often) points and letting them get convoluted to the point where others can't or won't follow. Though I suppose what you do in the meantime is, theoretically, force said target to slip up big enough so that everyone else is confident in voting for that person.

Pt. 2-Only in your eyes is entertaining a hypothetical situation equal to labeling someone as mafia. And I HAVE played a game where you were mafia. You gave up and admitted you were scum, and said you weren't having fun in the game. I had been arguing with you as well, but to this day you'll never give me any credit. That's the only instance where I can accurately recall you being mafia, but there's no way you HAVEN'T been since.

Pt. 3-Listen, man. I put more effort into the game as it goes on; which tends to be parallel to the amount of information we have. I don't go 0-60 on Day one. Or, I rarely do and I don't normally like to. You ought to know this. I will not nitpick someone's posts this early in the game if I can help it. Hence our exchange now. It's never, to my knowledge, happened this early. I guess I opened my damn mouth and inserted my foot.








The above was what I was talking about in terms of YOU. Some of the other stuff was aimed at Top, as it were. And I was only poking fun.

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Ok, lets get this out of the way now so it doesn't keep popping up for the rest of the games we play here. From the early stages of that game I had planned to do what needed to be done for me to win, regardless of who had to die or lose for me to get that W. Did I lie my ass off to get you to kill Monk N1? Yup, but keep in mind you still had to consent to the murder. Had you sent in any other name the night kill wouldn't have happened and things could have turned out quite differently.

Also I would like to point out that you didn't do much in the way of defending Henry D1, outside of some half-hearted posts that didn't hold much water. Hell I even think you ended up voting for him as well.

The simple matter is I outplayed you, and everyone else for just long enough to squeak out the win. So get over it bub.

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and im pretty sure thats the way everyone plays. they all want a win

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Uh...right here? I've posted 5 times today already.

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Remember, that's the order of operations. You wanted to go, inevitable or not, so I waited on you. Had a row with Top. And waited on you some more to have at it with me. So tell me, am I really twisting words when I say "I was waiting on you to start getting the inevitable arguing out of the way"?

What I was insinuating when I spoke of hypocrisy and got cut short is that: you implied scum in me for waiting on you to do the inevitable (twisting my own words). Degraded my attempts at activity generation Posted quite clearly that you and I quote "don't have to rely on such a thing so much when there are plenty of other veterans playing and willing to generate information" in reference to pushing for a lynch that generated information. You don't need to push for something when there are other vets around. HMM, AND SUDDENLY I'M SCUMMY FOR TAKING A JOKATIVE STANCE IN MY DAY ONE BEHAVIOR AFTER COMING OUT OF THE NEIGHBOR VARIANT, IMPLYING THE SAME THING THAT YOU EXPLICITLY STATED, AND GRASPING AT WHAT STRAWS I CAN TO STILL GENERATE MORE DAY-ONE ACTIVITY THAN YOU DID WHEN YOUR BEHAVIOR
Hmm, and I'm suddenly scummy for taking a jokative stance in my Day One behavior after coming out of the neighbor variant victory, implying in this post the same load-sharing logic you did as quoted, and grasping at what straws I can to generate more activity than you did day-one in any game since Mafia's return.

"oooo I'm waiting for Lander?" Get real, bro. You posted the desire for the challenge, and didn't follow through until I had time to point out twice you hadn't delivered. Forgive me if my logic isn't as sound as it would be later in the game--the straws I grasp at on day one are indeed thin, few, and poor. However, I still don't believe them as poor as this reaction.

(To be honest, this is yet another fine example of our varying approaches to offense: logic to gut. Amazing will be the day we roll mafia together. <3)

Rex, you know Top means where's your activity in terms of contributing to the discussions.

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I never voted for Dr Henry, but you did.

And you would have been dead without me.

I just would have liked to have known that was your real reasons for wanting to kill Monk.

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The parts of your post that are important to me are as follows:





Firstly, I have to apologize for some of my posts yesterday. I won't retract anything, I still stand by it, but I could have said some things better. The truth is, I had been awake for 22 hours straight at the point that all the posting was going on and I was really in no shape to be trying to use my brain, heheh.

In terms of the quoted: Don't you think this sort of thing frustrates a guy like me? Especially so early on? I'm fully aware that you're not going to see a lynch on me, but as I said. Your (minuscule) points become so convoluted that it makes arguing with you at this point in the game a major headache. This was what I was getting at with the frustration I mentioned earlier. Your points sometimes don't make sense to me, because they don't fit the mold of 'normal mafia behavior' or 'normal villager points used against the mafia'. Sometimes, you'll hang on to something so far out of left field (which is really a thinly veiled 'gut feeling') that it literally pains me to pursue it. I have to repeatedly ask for explanations. Notice how no one else is commenting on our exchange. In my opinion, that's because it's mostly bullcrap.

I play how I play. It makes sense to everyone. You play how you play. It makes sense to only you, a lot of the time. Are you still right in the end? Sometimes. More often than not, really. But how you arrive at that conclusion is often as important as the conclusion itself.

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I'm going to come out an say it now, with regards to my previous post and one of Lander's comments.

I think that Topsummoner and Kikori are scum.

Their pointless argument as early as possible, going nowhere fast and halting almost immediately, to me comes across as two mafia who are going to play the distancing game - "of course we wont BOTH be mafia, so if he gets killed and is mafia, i'm clearly a villager"

Then his argument with Lander. I'll admit that in Day One, Lander hasn't been his usual self, but I have a gut instinct that he is villager and Kikori is scum...

As for Top, I agree with Kik (or Lander, whoever said it), that his new playstyle is quite easily a cover for being a mafia and trying to play things differently as a result.

I'll admit, I could be entirely wrong. All three of you could be villager (I don't think all three would be mafia - we may as well give up now if that is the case ) or Lander could be the sole mafia and I end up looking scummy as a result of this post, but it is a risk I'm willing to take.

Screw being lead around by you 3, i've played enough mafia games to launch an attack and argue it out!

Kikori, Lander, Top, responses? (Yes, I'll admit there is not much to go on as a defence, but it is Day One and i'm vocalising my suspicions/instincts now, before I get killed off tonight by someone who thinks it is funny)

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Your post is meritable, Doc. This could perhaps be the most productive D1 ever in terms of info generated. I agree with your view as the thought that one or both of them being scum seems likely, I am very interested to see the discussion that your post will bring. I also must say that Kikori's newfound aggression, both in the previous game and in this one, concerns me. Couple things:

When you say I'm not being myself, what do you mean? Be specific. I'm also really, really tired of hearing this. Other people seem to love to speculate how I *normally* act or how I *should* act, and it's been driving me crazy.

Also, your points are just reiterations of my own, including the one about top and the one that both of them could be scum. Do you have anything original to say?

Lastly, good luck with that vote on Kikori. You'll be the next target of his argument gatling gun that shoots blanks...

Heh. I like that metaphor.

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Very nice metaphor there too I'm prepared.

I was just reiterating the point I think you yourself made, that on Day One you don't play how you usually do later in the game because there is less to go on and you don't go round firing blanks like Kikori (hehe, sorry Kik ), it wasn't really a major point at all, especially with the fact, again as you said, that today could very well be the most productive D1 ever. Usually all you, and most other people, do on D1 is fling jokey votes and comments around.

Unfortunately, although it pains me to admit it, at this present moment I don't think I can add anything 'original'. A lot of decent points have been made already and without a reply from Kikori or Top, or some kind of night action which changes the game up a bit, I have nothing NEW to add - although I am going to go back through this topic and double check after I do a bit of work first.

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Alright, let's have a look at the day in terms of Kikori (enjoy this special treatment )

Page one: Initial posts which are nothing because he has no role at the time, followed by him joking around with Godders with a vote. Nothing serious, all that happens is Top and Lander have a little joke between the two of them.

Page two: Firstly he comments on inactivity. Understandable, he has spent the day trying to increase activity. First gut instinct from me - mafia pushing for a day one lynch to increase his odds.

Then topsummoner messes around about lander again, but puts a vote on Kikori. The time between roles being sent and this is sufficient for a plan to be arranged between the two of them. It starts with a comment about being a leader instead of a follower, Kik is given the 'way in' to their petty argument from this, whilst also defying Lander to 'bring it'. Second gut instinct from me - Kik is trying to do a few things at once here, hoping for one to pay off. ONE: Distance himself from Top to give one more survivability. TWO: If it were to end up that way one of them could push for an early lynch on the other with noone else leading the train, they'd look less like scum and both are easily capable of surviving late into the game based on that alone. THREE: Provoke Lander into an attack on him, this could either get their biggest rival to get lynched if he slips up, or waste more than one day with an argument between the two of them, or end up with him being lynched himself but Top being distanced and thus better off.

However, Kikori continues to have a go at Top for breaking BBCode, but wont actually vote for him. He is too smart for an OMGUS after Top's vote right now. Top's reply basically calls Kikori mafia - a very cunning move to say so on day one if both of them are mafia. Kik dies - Top can say "called it". Top dies, Kik can say "why would my fellow mafia TELL everyone on day one?"

Then there is basically a very pointless argument between the two in my eyes. Both play better than that. "You are mafia for breaking code" "you are mafia because i'm not going to follow you".

The whole day has felt like a really scummy play-style from both of them to me.

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In regards to what you were saying about me, yeah, I normally like to blow off Day one with everyone else. I won't ignore someone when they're questioning me, though, as Kikori was/is. It's in our nature to argue with eachother almost constantly, though it started earlier this time around.

And in terms of your analysis, it's as sound as it gets on D1. What I'm concerned with, is why you think Kikori and/or Top are scummy, yet you don't think I am? I've been in the thick of it as much as those guys. I've had an exchange with Kikori almost identical to the one he and Top had. What makes me exempt of your suspicion?

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