Mafia - Day 12: Knockin' on Heaven's Door (DEMONIC WINS)

Landerpurex · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 1:56 pm

Sighence wrote:

Yeah, I've been less active than usual. I've had finals and a nice long drive. Those are done now; I can be more active.

As for me being the demon, I'd say the flavor text quite heavily implies that I'm not. My FoS on Paid stands, evem more so since I don't see where he even bothered to reply to it; that's honestly the most reliable scumtell for him that I know of since he seems to post regularly regardless of alignment. I believe the cult is far more organized than they'd have us believe. This is bolstered by the fact that my attacker hasn't come forward. We're mere hours from the deadline and I won't be surprised if I'm the last post so I won't bother to vote today. That'll change tomorrow.

I agree with this almost 100%.

Paidea wrote:

I don't have anything to say to an FoS. You already know my role, alignment, winning condition, and power. What could you possibly be suspicious of?

@Aragorn: if you're gonna shoot someone, shoot an inactive.

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Why rely on the information at hand to make an informed decision? It'd be much better to kill someone we know nothing about.

Lynching an inactive is a little different than nightkilling someone. But I certainly won't presume to tell Aragorn what to do, and neither should you.

You're losing it, bud.

PenguinGuy · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 5:05 pm

Inactive does not mean anti-town. Though we should try to entice them to contribute, we should not waste the town's valuable resources.

Sighence wrote:

Yeah, I've been less active than usual. I've had finals and a nice long drive. Those are done now; I can be more active.

As for me being the demon, I'd say the flavor text quite heavily implies that I'm not. My FoS on Paid stands, evem more so since I don't see where he even bothered to reply to it; that's honestly the most reliable scumtell for him that I know of since he seems to post regularly regardless of alignment. I believe the cult is far more organized than they'd have us believe. This is bolstered by the fact that my attacker hasn't come forward. We're mere hours from the deadline and I won't be surprised if I'm the last post so I won't bother to vote today. That'll change tomorrow.

I agree with part of this a disagree with other parts of it. You could still be the Demon, as I doubt that Jack would flavor the text to imply that the cult attacked demon, and that this would be the flavor regardless of your alignment. But I do agree that we have assumed that Paidea, Kikori, and Sayaka are all telling the complete truth, and not modifying anything. They could be telling the complete truth, but they could also be in collusion, and are more powerful and organized than we think. We shouldn't discount that idea. Especially since we know either one of them is lying or one is yet to come out, because you were attacked by the cult yet we don't know of a cultist attacker.

Lander, you seem completely committed to the death of Paidea since he came out as possessed, but you have given no such effort or even mention to that of Sayaka, who if anything should be our bigger target, seeing that he either has no relevant town-aligned power, or is lying to us.

Landerpurex · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 7:16 pm

PenguinGuy wrote:

Inactive does not mean anti-town. Though we should try to entice them to contribute, we should not waste the town's valuable resources.

Sighence wrote:

Yeah, I've been less active than usual. I've had finals and a nice long drive. Those are done now; I can be more active.

As for me being the demon, I'd say the flavor text quite heavily implies that I'm not. My FoS on Paid stands, evem more so since I don't see where he even bothered to reply to it; that's honestly the most reliable scumtell for him that I know of since he seems to post regularly regardless of alignment. I believe the cult is far more organized than they'd have us believe. This is bolstered by the fact that my attacker hasn't come forward. We're mere hours from the deadline and I won't be surprised if I'm the last post so I won't bother to vote today. That'll change tomorrow.

I agree with part of this a disagree with other parts of it. You could still be the Demon, as I doubt that Jack would flavor the text to imply that the cult attacked demon, and that this would be the flavor regardless of your alignment. But I do agree that we have assumed that Paidea, Kikori, and Sayaka are all telling the complete truth, and not modifying anything. They could be telling the complete truth, but they could also be in collusion, and are more powerful and organized than we think. We shouldn't discount that idea. Especially since we know either one of them is lying or one is yet to come out, because you were attacked by the cult yet we don't know of a cultist attacker.

Lander, you seem completely committed to the death of Paidea since he came out as possessed, but you have given no such effort or even mention to that of Sayaka, who if anything should be our bigger target, seeing that he either has no relevant town-aligned power, or is lying to us.

He also has no relevant demon-aligned power. :?:

Dr Henry · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 7:18 pm

FriskyAlpaca wrote:

Dr Henry wrote:

This. Although whether not being mafia = 100% good thing and safe to not lynch depends on whether the town can win if mafia is eliminated and cult survives, or if mafia's elimination will then lead to cult vs. town. Don't think this makes much sense though :S

I was going back through all the posts trying to find something that did not add up. This quote happens to be from D2 and before the whole PM thing with Kikori.

I am a villager, and if you were a villager, you would have known both the demon and mafia have to be dead for us to win. Villagers have no reason to lie or hide their win conditions. The mafia know who they are and know everyone else to be an enemy.

You are right, it does not make much sense because if you were a villager you would know.

Dr Henry and unvote Paidea sounds like he may be dead tonight anyways.

Could you twist what I said any more please? Everyone knows that the demon and the Mafia have to be dead for the town to win. Read the quote again, it is nothing to do with that. It is wondering what happens if we clear the game of Mafia... Whether we then end up demon hunting or fighting off the cult.

Fact is, now you are struggling to find any little morsel to reflect attention away from you, and an OMGUS, which you had to search through the game to find weak evidence to support, just further makes you look like scum/demon to me.

There is a reason why all the posts since your one have ignored what you said. It is just rubbish.

FriskyAlpaca · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 7:31 pm

If everything I say is such rubbish and ignored, why even acknowledge it?

Sounds like it would have just gone under the radar anyways?

Dr Henry · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 7:50 pm

FriskyAlpaca wrote:

If everything I say is such rubbish and ignored, why even acknowledge it?

Sounds like it would have just gone under the radar anyways?

Because your attempts to turn people from you to me, without properly defending yourself against the multiple votes you received over the course of the day, is suspicious and something I want to bring to everyone else's attention tomorrow.

FriskyAlpaca · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 7:57 pm

Pretty sure I attempted to defend myself when I roleclaimed. You must have missed that part...oh wait... After 30 minutes of thought you said you didnt believe me. Also, why tomorrow, you've been riding my ass all day, like a jockey at the Kentucky Derby.

Also, I agree I twisted your words a bit, but you can admit your statement can be read multiple ways.

Nothing is going to change about me by tomorrow. I am the commuter night actions do not work against me. I cannot be tracked, turned, detected, killed, or bopped.

I am off to play with my Bop It, I bid you farewell.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 8:11 pm

FriskyAlpaca wrote:

Pretty sure I attempted to defend myself when I roleclaimed. You must have missed that part...oh wait... After 30 minutes of thought you said you didnt believe me. Also, why tomorrow, you've been riding my ass all day, like a jockey at the Kentucky Derby.

Also, I agree I twisted your words a bit, but you can admit your statement can be read multiple ways.

Nothing is going to change about me by tomorrow. I am the commuter night actions do not work against me. I cannot be tracked, turned, detected, killed, or bopped.

I am off to play with my Bop It, I bid you farewell.

Do you have the ability to commute every night or a certain amount, and do you have a choice as to whether you will commute?

Dr Henry · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 8:14 pm

FriskyAlpaca wrote:

Pretty sure I attempted to defend myself when I roleclaimed. You must have missed that part...oh wait... After 30 minutes of thought you said you didnt believe me. Also, why tomorrow, you've been riding my ass all day, like a jockey at the Kentucky Derby.

Also, I agree I twisted your words a bit, but you can admit your statement can be read multiple ways.

Nothing is going to change about me by tomorrow. I am the commuter night actions do not work against me. I cannot be tracked, turned, detected, killed, or bopped.

I am off to play with my Bop It, I bid you farewell.

Tomorrow because the day ends in about an hour...

Agreeing that you twisted my words just proves you have nothing, just an OMGUS vote. I've been 'riding your ass' (it is arse, silly American spellings) because I believe you to be the demon, and 30 minutes or 3000 minutes won't make me believe you are a role absolutely untouchable at night. Unkillable I may have believed, but not touchable by any role is just too convenient. Not being able to be turned is the key here - jack would not have made a game bad around a role needing to control the whole population and then make a role which cannot be controlled.

FriskyAlpaca · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 8:15 pm

The PM says I commute every night to visit my sick uncle and take care of him.

FriskyAlpaca · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 8:17 pm

Maybe the role was developed as a weakness for the demon. If he cannot control everyone it means at some point he has to get that person lynched.

Also, favourite, colour, and opal fruits.

Jackstick · **Posted:** March 23rd, 2013, 11:17 pm

End of Day 3

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Jackstick: Why the Fuzzy Bunny

would you drop hotels on Pink when you already have a Red Monopoly?

Muffin Attak: 'Cuz you're in jail, and I want you to land on Kyiv or Toronto.

Jackstick: I'd need to roll an odd number to land on Kyiv, and there's only an 8.33% chance of me rolling a 4 and landing on Toronto.

Muffin Attak: Red is more expensive to build on. Don't worry yourself, I'll build on Red just as soon as you pay me a visit on Pink.

Jackstick: You shouldn't be so confident. I have Browns, Railroads, and Utilities, and Beijing. It's more than impossible for you to win this game.

Muffin Attak: You mortgaged everything else, though. You'll be Fuzzy Bunny

after one bad landing.

Jackstick: I got the Istanbul card a few turns ago, so that's one less thing I have to worry about. And when I pass Go I'll have enough cash to survive at least two landings on Pink. You don't have that much cash, and only some scattered useless property outside of Pinks and Reds.

Muffin Attak: A couple of Greens and one Blue and Orange, all unmortgaged, pretty good for nickel-and-diming.

Jackstick: THAT NEVER WORKS, GOD DAMMIT.

Muffin Attak: Hey, we should go back outside. I wonder if the town has made a lynch yet?

Jackstick: I doubt it. It's just been back-and-forth nonsense all day today.

Muffin Attak: That sucks. Another wasted day.

Jackstick: Another?

Muffin Attak: Counting Day 1, too.

Jackstick: Lol, Day 1 never counts.

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Beginning of Night 3

Jackstick · **Posted:** March 24th, 2013, 10:54 pm

End of Night 3

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Jackstick: Muffin, there you are!

Muffin Attak: Jack, did you see what happened last night?

Jackstick: Yeah, what the heck was that? I could barely see outside of my window, but it looked like the whole town was covered in a thick layer of snow and ice. Were you outside last night?

Muffin Attak: Outside? There's no way I could have gotten outside. I don't think anyone was able to leave their house last night. It all melted surprisingly fast though, so I was able to get out by sunrise.

Jackstick: Do you think anything happened last night?

Muffin Attak: I doubt it. No deaths have been reported, and no strange activity happened last night. Well, except for the whole goddamn town being frozen.

Jackstick: Well that's a good thing! At least we don't have to bury anyone today!

Muffin Attak: Sure. Whatever. Fuzzy Bunny

it.

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Beginning of Day 4

8 Votes to Lynch

FriskyAlpaca · **Posted:** March 25th, 2013, 12:08 am

So, first we get an Mirror Mage, and now an Ice Mage or some such...weird.

So I wanted to make one of those list things that seem to be all the rage. Remember, I do not know any of you or your play styles or what is or is not a great 'scumtell'.

1.Kikori: Dead, cultist-villager, mirror mage
2. Godders: dead, mafia, role blocker
3. Aragorn Ix: villager, JoAT.... I am inclined to believe him.
4. Topsummoner: Villager, very little to no chance of being a cultist
5. Market Man6: Unknown
6. Bluecoat: Villager
7. Sayaka: Claims to be a Possessed Villager, I am inclined to believe him. No known role but I think he may be hiding it. Everyone up to this point has had some kind of ability. Ice Mage, perhaps?
8. FriskyAlpaca: Villager, Commuter. If you think about the commuter role, it is a hand-holder, noob friendly role.
9. Dr Henry: Mafia. Far too aggressive and inconsistent.
10. Landerpurex: Villager, given his stance on taking out Paidea and such.
11. Sighence: Villager, but a bit of an unknown given the attack.
12. Scar : Villager, dead, Doctor
13. Paidea : Possessed Villager, Nurse. No reason to not believe role, but skeptical of motives.
14. Phantomrose: Mafia. Given what people have said about praising the doctor as being scummy and that she is a vet, seems odd.
15. Penguin Guy: Intially I thought Mafia based on others conclusions but I believe Villager. If he was mafia he would have jumped on my train. I believe the mafia's plan for yesterday was to lynch a townie and claim Paidea's head during the night.
16. Ex Rex: Coin Flip, though I am leaning towards mafia
17. Rat King: Coin Flip, though I am leaning towards Town.
18. Imasquid: Given that I am a villager, I am inclined to think he may be mafia or demon. Not from anything he said, but I know Jack knows he is my brother. Jack may have been ironic and given us opposite roles, but he may have also made him a villager with a noob role much like my own. Mostly an unknown.

By my count that gives us 5-Mafia, 3-Known Cult, 8-Villagers, and 3- Unknowns.

I believe the mafia, or cult, to be the people that have voted for me. I lump the cult in as they have stated they do not want the demon to win, so if they believe me to be the demon, why not?

However, I believe the demon did not vote for me. If I was to have been lynched yesterday, the focus would have immediately moved away from me onto someone else, possibly himself. I could be wrong though, but that is how I would have played it if I was him.

Again, I know none of you or how you play, just wanted to give it a shot.

FriskyAlpaca · **Posted:** March 25th, 2013, 12:08 am

So, first we get an Mirror Mage, and now an Ice Mage or some such...weird.

So I wanted to make one of those list things that seem to be all the rage. Remember, I do not know any of you or your play styles or what is or is not a great 'scumtell'.

1.Kikori: Dead, cultist-villager, mirror mage
2. Godders: dead, mafia, role blocker
3. Aragorn Ix: villager, JoAT.... I am inclined to believe him.
4. Topsummoner: Villager, very little to no chance of being a cultist
5. Market Man6: Unknown
6. Bluecoat: Villager
7. Sayaka: Claims to be a Possessed Villager, I am inclined to believe him. No known role but I think he may be hiding it. Everyone up to this point has had some kind of ability. Ice Mage, perhaps?
8. FriskyAlpaca: Villager, Commuter. If you think about the commuter role, it is a hand-holder, noob friendly role.
9. Dr Henry: Mafia. Far too aggressive and inconsistent.
10. Landerpurex: Villager, given his stance on taking out Paidea and such.
11. Sighence: Villager, but a bit of an unknown given the attack.
12. Scar : Villager, dead, Doctor
13. Paidea : Possessed Villager, Nurse. No reason to not believe role, but skeptical of motives.
14. Phantomrose: Mafia. Given what people have said about praising the doctor as being scummy and that she is a vet, seems odd.
15. Penguin Guy: Intially I thought Mafia based on others conclusions but I believe Villager. If he was mafia he would have jumped on my train. I believe the mafia's plan for yesterday was to lynch a townie and claim Paidea's head during the night.
16. Ex Rex: Coin Flip, though I am leaning towards mafia
17. Rat King: Coin Flip, though I am leaning towards Town.
18. Imasquid: Given that I am a villager, I am inclined to think he may be mafia or demon. Not from anything he said, but I know Jack knows he is my brother. Jack may have been ironic and given us opposite roles, but he may have also made him a villager with a noob role much like my own. Mostly an unknown.

By my count that gives us 5-Mafia, 3-Known Cult, 8-Villagers, and 3- Unknowns.

I believe the mafia, or cult, to be the people that have voted for me. I lump the cult in as they have stated they do not want the demon to win, so if they believe me to be the demon, why not?

However, I believe the demon did not vote for me. If I was to have been lynched yesterday, the focus would have immediately moved away from me onto someone else, possibly himself. I could be wrong though, but that is how I would have played it if I was him.

Again, I know none of you or how you play, just wanted to give it a shot.

FriskyAlpaca · **Posted:** March 25th, 2013, 12:08 am

So, first we get an Mirror Mage, and now an Ice Mage or some such...weird.

So I wanted to make one of those list things that seem to be all the rage. Remember, I do not know any of you or your play styles or what is or is not a great 'scumtell'.

1.Kikori: Dead, cultist-villager, mirror mage
2. Godders: dead, mafia, role blocker
3. Aragorn Ix: villager, JoAT.... I am inclined to believe him.
4. Topsummoner: Villager, very little to no chance of being a cultist
5. Market Man6: Unknown
6. Bluecoat: Villager
7. Sayaka: Claims to be a Possessed Villager, I am inclined to believe him. No known role but I think he may be hiding it. Everyone up to this point has had some kind of ability. Ice Mage, perhaps?
8. FriskyAlpaca: Villager, Commuter. If you think about the commuter role, it is a hand-holder, noob friendly role.
9. Dr Henry: Mafia. Far too aggressive and inconsistent.
10. Landerpurex: Villager, given his stance on taking out Paidea and such.
11. Sighence: Villager, but a bit of an unknown given the attack.
12. Scar : Villager, dead, Doctor
13. Paidea : Possessed Villager, Nurse. No reason to not believe role, but skeptical of motives.
14. Phantomrose: Mafia. Given what people have said about praising the doctor as being scummy and that she is a vet, seems odd.
15. Penguin Guy: Intially I thought Mafia based on others conclusions but I believe Villager. If he was mafia he would have jumped on my train. I believe the mafia's plan for yesterday was to lynch a townie and claim Paidea's head during the night.
16. Ex Rex: Coin Flip, though I am leaning towards mafia
17. Rat King: Coin Flip, though I am leaning towards Town.
18. Imasquid: Given that I am a villager, I am inclined to think he may be mafia or demon. Not from anything he said, but I know Jack knows he is my brother. Jack may have been ironic and given us opposite roles, but he may have also made him a villager with a noob role much like my own. Mostly an unknown.

By my count that gives us 5-Mafia, 3-Known Cult, 8-Villagers, and 3- Unknowns.

I believe the mafia, or cult, to be the people that have voted for me. I lump the cult in as they have stated they do not want the demon to win, so if they believe me to be the demon, why not?

However, I believe the demon did not vote for me. If I was to have been lynched yesterday, the focus would have immediately moved away from me onto someone else, possibly himself. I could be wrong though, but that is how I would have played it if I was him.

Again, I know none of you or how you play, just wanted to give it a shot.

FriskyAlpaca · **Posted:** March 25th, 2013, 12:10 am

I believe 1 of the unknowns to most likely be the Demon and the other two villagers, but I do not have much in terms of ideas on who is what.

bluecoat · **Posted:** March 25th, 2013, 1:07 am

Normally roles are delegated randomly, so I doubt Jack would've given you and your brother different alignments for kicks. Same thing goes for the "commuter" role; noob-friendly or not, it was probably given to you randomly.

Anyway, maintaining the vote on Rex is pointless now that yesterday is over. Moving along, Dr Henry, who I believe to be an over zealous demon or demon-aligned player. The shift toward hyper-aggressiveness seems like something that would benefit a faction that can only win with 100% control over the village.

FriskyAlpaca · **Posted:** March 25th, 2013, 1:13 am

Random is definitely the best way to go in some situations but this seems unique. A demon cult, ice and mirror mages. Jack himself said he put a lot time into balance. That could mean just in terms of role limitations but given the number of vets and the number of newer players, I am tempted to believe he gave power roles to more experienced players and cushier roles to new people to make sure they were not steam-rolled.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** March 25th, 2013, 2:12 am

Okay so naturally I couldn't carry out my night kill, it wasn't used up though so I can try again night 5.

Mafia - Day 12: Knockin' on Heaven's Door (DEMONIC WINS)

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