Mafia: XX - Game Over (Village and Mr Hyde win) rex smells!!

Topsummoner · **Posted:** June 6th, 2012, 10:08 pm

Considering how likely it is we WILL die, I'll go ahead and voice that I think Market is scum. He's been defensive of Monk all game and only voted for him after he confessed.

Kikori · **Posted:** June 6th, 2012, 10:28 pm

And a lot happens while I'm at work. Nice.

CODfisherMW2 wrote:

I didn't know that sharing your role was so vital in establishing a non "scummy" technique when playing.
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You seem to be so interested in establishing yourself as an "attack me if you dare" role. I dare say you should feel safe behind this. I was the first to say I think theres something fishy about you, but not the last.
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You're hiding behind your role, thats fishy enough for my vote. But I already cast it.
Instincts so far so good.

1.) If you want to get upset at Lander for taking your behavior out of context, then I'm allowed to get upset at you taking mine out of the same. This game is laden with roles. Almost everyone seems to have one. Therefore, the roles decide the game as much as the logic. In a normal normal game, the logic takes priority, and I wouldn't drive for roles to be discussed so forcefully. I do not force the issue of who is what every single game, only those games where the roles are indeed the key.
2.) I'd like to call that "consistency". People seem to doubt me, ergo I restate my position. I do not feel safe behind it--it makes me invincible if people believe me, and a shining target if they don't. If they don't, all I can hope for is the villagers at least take me seriously about "Don't hammer me if you value your life" and wait for a Mafia to do it.
3.) If I'm hiding behind my role, why do I push people for data and put myself on the line? Hell, I made the honest mistake of not wanting to vote for Monk Basher day two due to the previous idea that the Mafia have a roleblocker as well as the villagers' Jailkeeper. Considering the role-heavy game, hopefully an understandable mistake. If not, oh well, it's my reason and I'll stick with it.
Your instincts so far are only "good" in that you got people to stop voting for you pretty quickly.

Jaron, please don't call consideration "crap". Who signs up for Mafia for the first time in ages / history and wouldn't feel bummed about being killed off within the first two days? :\

Landerpurex · **Posted:** June 6th, 2012, 10:31 pm

Kikori. Because I haven't the fortitude to revisit all your posts, explain to me, in SIMPLE, BRIEF terms why you believe there is a Jailer and not a mafia roleblocker.

Once more, you were indeed roleblocked last night and Godders confirmed this via PM to you? Even though you have a static role?

Kikori · **Posted:** June 6th, 2012, 10:35 pm

I believed there were both, previously. I still know there is a Jailkeeper, and believe a Mafia Roleblocker exists.

I was Jailkeeper'd night one. I was visited by someone who "blindfolded me and sent me to jail".
I thought, given this game's role-heavy nature, Monk was honest about being roleblocked as well by a Mafia Roleblocker. It added up with the growing amount of roles. I did not see Penguin's post and Monk's admission until returning from work today. This does not explicitly absolve my suspicion of a Mafia Roleblocker. It does, however, prove that I was fooled by the idea of one.

I was indeed blindfolded and sent to jail despite being a static role. There was no added tag of "You have been roleblocked and protected!", only a blindfold and visit to jail.

Kikori · **Posted:** June 6th, 2012, 10:42 pm

And as promised, after a revisit of posts.

The thing that set most poorly with me is that Aragorn seemed the most keen on seeming active while contributing little (WIFOM day one shenanigans, the Tracker explanation example, a couple roleclaim questions, and one defense for me after a bad vote from Market) as well as never having placed a single vote himself. There's careful, then there's seeming to try to push one's self under the radar.
Couple that with Top's suspicion that Market is Mafia, however, and their only interaction to the best of my knowledge was Market's vote against me. Market on offense, Aragorn on defense. That alone does not a confirmation make, but he's still where my eyes would like to pry next.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** June 7th, 2012, 12:19 am

Kikori wrote:

And as promised, after a revisit of posts.

The thing that set most poorly with me is that Aragorn seemed the most keen on seeming active while contributing little (WIFOM day one shenanigans, the Tracker explanation example, a couple roleclaim questions, and one defense for me after a bad vote from Market) as well as never having placed a single vote himself. There's careful, then there's seeming to try to push one's self under the radar.
Couple that with Top's suspicion that Market is Mafia, however, and their only interaction to the best of my knowledge was Market's vote against me. Market on offense, Aragorn on defense. That alone does not a confirmation make, but he's still where my eyes would like to pry next.

A few things:

1) What does WIFOM mean?
2) I get moaned at for not posting, now I'm contributing it's suspicious? Make your mind up.
3) No I haven't voted, I won't ever vote until I'm highly convinced of something. The last two games have proven that. Why do you think my voting activity is suspicious when it's consistent throughout all games of mafia I've played?
4) As for not voting for Monk, you put enough reasonable doubt in my mind about the possibility of two role blockers that I wasn't sure enough of his guilt. If I was sure I'd have voted for him.

Like I said before Early hours (GMT) is when I have time to post, so I'm making the most of it. If I get a chance to post throughout the day then I will, but I rarely do.

Kikori · **Posted:** June 7th, 2012, 12:39 am

1.) Wine In Front Of Me. It's the basis for the Princess Bride joke and the overthinking of logic in games like this. PenguinGuy also answered this question, in a post you quoted.
2.) Okay. Be active but contribute more than single lines of nothing useful except two posts of logic actually related to the game content. You know, the standard everyone gets held to.
3.) Because see #4.
4.) You didn't have to be certain of Monk in specific. My behavior has been unconventional, due to having a role. It could be taken as not being 100% normal due to "trying to fake", or due to "trying to take advantage of". The idea of three people causing problems to the mafia during should at least have sparked a little initiative in figuring out who's who. I don't expect you to vote for people outright to put a little more weight on your suspicions, but you effectively commented on nothing. You quoted me to comment on the balance of roles. You commented to Ex Rex that Monk "didn't claim he was roleblocked". Market's terribad vote against me was rebuked. That is it. Lack of votes alone isn't a horrible thing. Lack of discussion alongside it when the entire game is ripe for it? Do not want.

Godders · **Posted:** June 7th, 2012, 3:06 am

Godders · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:09 pm

Day 3 has begun

After a night full of terrified screams the town awoke to find 2 bodies; Sayaka who lay on the ground, with a gunshot through his abdomen, his blood covering the pavement. The other body was of Market Man6, who was found brutally beaten in his home. But across the town, Topsummoner was found with several knife wounds and bandages around him, ready to live on another day.

Market Man6, Detective (Sane), (Slain Night Two).

Sayaka, Yakuza, (Slain Night Two).

12 people still alive, 7 votes required for a lynch.

72 hours to go until Night Three.

9 People to go, 5 votes to a lynch.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:10 pm

First off: (H)

Second off, was it Sayaka or Kikori who is the dead mafia? You dun goofed.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:11 pm

Wait, who died Kikori or Sayaka? :/

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:12 pm

Also, what the hell is Yakuza, that's just the mafia in Japan? What's unique about that role?

Topsummoner · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:14 pm

In EpicMafia, the Yakuza can kill himself to convert someone to the mafia. I really hope that's not the case here and there's some other role called Yakuza I'm missing.

Godders · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:15 pm

Definately Sayaka, unsure why i put Kikori.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:18 pm

Topsummoner wrote:

In EpicMafia, the Yakuza can kill himself to convert someone to the mafia. I really hope that's not the case here and there's some other role called Yakuza I'm missing.

Only if he kills himself? That seems a pointless thing to do, especially considering he wasn't under any suspicion.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:20 pm

It's not pointless though. It puts into doubt all the clears the town has up until that point, and can be done without sacrifice if by chance he's protected by a Doctor the night he yaks (the verb used on EpicMafia is 'to yak').

The Mafia would not attack me and yak me on the same night, so I am now the only clear. This is troubling.

http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Yakuza

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:30 pm

Topsummoner wrote:

It's not pointless though. It puts into doubt all the clears the town has up until that point, and can be done without sacrifice if by chance he's protected by a Doctor the night he yaks (the verb used on EpicMafia is 'to yak').

The Mafia would not attack me and yak me on the same night, so I am now the only clear. This is troubling.

http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Yakuza

Is conversion guaranteed? Or do you get the choice if approached?

Way to go Godders on the ridiculous roles you've put into this game.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:32 pm

Guaranteed unless protected by a Shrink.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:36 pm

Topsummoner wrote:

Guaranteed unless protected by a Shrink.

Right, so we've got a mafia in place of Sayaka then?
I gather you protected yourself last night, hence the wounds?
One person I'd forgotten was even playing is Ex, where did he go?

Topsummoner · **Posted:** June 8th, 2012, 4:44 pm

Yes. I protected myself, and Lander killed Market. I was fairly certain he was mafia, but it just looks like he's the new Tahu and appears mafia no matter what he is.

1 | Dr Henry - Claimed Bulletproof, Possibly yakked
2 | Aragorn Ix - ???
5 | Landerpurex - Mr. Hyde, Possibly yakked
6 | Kikori - Claimed Bomb, Possibly yakked
8 | Topsummoner - Dr Jeykll, Town (confirmed)
9 | Riptide - ???
10| Ex Rex - ???
11| Penguinguy - Watcher/Tracker, Possibly yakked
13| CODfisherMW2 - ???

With the yakked player, I'd wager two mafia remain.

I'd bet Lander wasn't yakked either since the mafia was trying to kill me, and we are bound together by life.

Of the power-roles, I think Penguin was most likely to be yakked. However it's far too dangerous to test him, and it could easily be Kikori or Henry, or really anyone else; I propose we continue the game as normal searching for the other mafia, and once that is dealt with we can look at whose behavior changes to determine who was yakked.

Mafia: XX - Game Over (Village and Mr Hyde win) rex smells!!

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