The best plan of action is to get the fourth detective to claim, try to work out who we think among the unclaimed is mafia, and then tomorrow we can try to work out sanities based on another round of investigations.

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It seems like luck is with us. 3 of 4 asked about kikori.

I investigated kikori. It returned "scummy scum scum". Exactly the same wording as godders.

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First and foremost, Unvote.
This seems to be as close to a variant as possible in a game. Detectives who didn't investigate themselves night one run the risk of ruining what could be as clean and easy a sweep as Neighbors was.
We have multiple detectives that are claiming. It stands to reason they are NOT all proper detectives--some likely see the truth, but there is for sure proof that some are lying. I myself was investigated twice, coming up both Mafia and Villager. It's been proven Insane Detective is ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE, just unconfirmed who is and who isn't which kind of detective. Sadly, with so many detectives, there is no easy solution to clear up who is which kind in as few votes or days as possible. A night of self-investigations still poses a couple interesting problems: Of those claiming detective, how many are claiming honestly? I.E. How many are fake-claiming in order to throw confusion into the topic? It's a possibility. But I have a terribly hard time believing the idea that EVERY claim here is real, as I do believing EVERY claim here is fake.

For better or worse, this also calls for a list to keep clarification handy.
Godders - ___ Detective, investigated Topsummoner
Ex Rex - ___ Detective, investigated Kikori
Riptide - ___ Detective, investigated Kikori
Market Man6 - ___ Detective, investigated Kikori
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Topsummoner - ___ Doctor, protected Landerpurex (Claims self-protection is impossible via Monk confirmation)
Landerpurex - ___ Doctor, protected Landerpurex (Claims he can't protect the same person consecutively)

For the Detectives, there are two easy solutions. A series of night-two self investigations, or disregard them entirely and treat them as fake roleclaims.

I find most interesting the doctor business, though. There are two possibilities that make sense.

Lander, you claim you can self-protect, but can not protect the same person two times in a row.
Topsummoner, you claim you can not protect yourself. So you protected who was most likely to be killed for good logic.

There was no kill last night. It stands to reason one of two results come from this.
1.) Lander is a Mafia, and one of the two self-protections was actually a successful roleblock against him.
2.) Lander, who was not attacked by the Mafia for reasons unknown, was still successfully protected by a Real Doctor from a Quack Doctor attempt on his life.

This game currently runs on possibilities, roleclaims, and contradicting evidence. The solutions I arrive at are this: Topsummoner and Lander are both telling the truth. One of the two is a Quack, which is why Lander had been protected in the night without being attacked. Logically, it makes sense, since you can't protect someone again after your protection kills them. Lander, I believe you are the Quack Doctor, and Topsummoner is the Real Doctor.

If this is true, then he who investigated Topsummoner--Godders--is insane, lying, or (and I REALLY hate to throw this into the wheel) there is a Framer afoot. Topsummoner, a village Regular Doctor, wouldn't have protected Lander otherwise. Given my scuffle with Topsummoner, it's not an unlikely idea that he was Framed, either. I hate to say it, but the two of you are as good as confirmed Doctors in my eyes.

That leaves the two three investigations on me, and my two three investigators. Ex Rex, Market Man6 and Riptide. I know for a damn fact I'm a villager, so there are two possibilities for each.
Riptide is either: Paranoid (always sees Mafia) or Insane (reversed decisions)
Rex is either: Regular, or Naïve (always sees Villager).
Market Man6 is either: Regular, or Naïve.
A self investigation will not clear this as easily, nor will one single lynch. For both of you to be confirmed, we would have to kill off multiple people that you investigate, and for those people to miraculously end up varied among Mafia and Villagers. Until you die or some up with success with who else you investigate, I'm afraid I don't intend to trust either of your investigations.

And, as much as it pains me to say this, there's one last thing to add. I'm a Doctor as well, allowed to self-protect and as Lander stated with restrictions on protecting consecutively. I got tired of dying Night One, so yeah, I wasted it on a self protect. Unlike Lander, however, I got no notification that I was given a "You were protected". So that leaves the Mafia to be inactive, or roleblocked. Very potentially by another Doctor.
So where Doctors are concerned...
Me: I'm either Weak, Regular, have no effect, or the Roleblocking doctor.
Lander: I still believe you're the Quack. Sorry, but your protection probably killed yourself.
Topsummoner: I still believe you're either Weak or Regular. Potentially Roleblocking as well, but I doubt Monk would have said "You were protected" so much as "You were roleblocked".
That leaves yet another slot for Doctors to claim, unfortunately. So this large list of a post may yet need re-quoting and updating.

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Also, whoops. I messed up my coloration. (Curse writing my posts in the quick reply box without color palettes on the side.)
Market Man6 - ___ Detective, investigated Kikori

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Assuming Kikori is villager:

Godders - Insane, Paranoid
Ex Rex - Sane, Naive
Riptide - Insane, Paranoid
Market - Insane, Paranoid

Assuming Kikori is mafia:

Godders - Insane, Paranoid
Ex Rex - Insane, Naive
Riptide - Sane, Paranoid
Market - Sane, Paranoid

That second situation, the sanities work out. Godders is Insane. Ex Rex is Naive. Riptide and Market, one is Sane, one is Paranoid.

oh jesus Kikori just posted a wall of text
whaaaat

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Chaos, discord, and anarchy are afoot.
At the moment, I see no chance at easy confirmation of roles. Until we can sort that mess out and get a better read on who is what, I have one single proposal.
Market Man6 was still probably the most scummy of Day One players. To hell with worrying about protecting a single unconfirmed detective, we apparently have four running rampant. Remember, he was the last Detective to claim. My belief? Market, you're a Mafia who's trying to throw another Investigation into the mix just to damn me for nearly killing you off before Godders started this whole claim train. My reasons for my initial vote stand, and your OMGUS immediately afterward coupled with trying to stack further "investigations" on me do nothing but make me think if anyone is lying, it's you.

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To hell with protecting a single detective?

Are you kidding me?

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Kikori, my vote is staying on you. You are more than just a pain in the ass. Your death coupled with self investigations can help to confirm 3 out of 4 detectives.

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So, based on how many claims we have, it seems impossible for all of them to be fake at this point...which means this game is nowhere near a standard set-up, and that monk is a jerk.

I hate you so much monk

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Confirming? I'm sorry, but let's review. You see me as Mafia. Riptide sees me as Mafia. Rex sees me as Villager.
I'm a Villager. Rex is either Sane or Naïve.
Riptide is either Insane or Paranoid.
You are either Insane or Paranoid.

How exactly would my death "confirm" between the two? Let's assume for your argument's sake I come up Mafia.
Rex would then be Insane or Naïve. Riptide, Sane or Paranoid. Yourself, Sane or Paranoid. That's still three fancy "Or"s I see.

The only basis you have for leverage against me is what Riptide listed. If I'm "Mafia", then the four investigations make sense. But I'm not. I could have very well survived last night due to my self protection, as I could have survived due to a roleblocking doctor elsewhere. What, then, is the reason for the slight mismatch in Detectives?
One of them must be lying. You, Market, have the most reason to lie. I threatened you, and your "Investigation" against me just oh so conveniently filled the balance of detectives. Yeah, I don't buy it. There were three pretty damn active names to investigate, and I can believe two of 'em chose me. But you? You OMGUS voted me strictly because I believed Topsummoner's counter-claim to be false before this whole shebang started. I threatened you, and your being a "Detective" gave you a convenient excuse out of suspicion. You didn't even claim it back when you made your initial vote against me. It's simply making an attempt to add weight to your argument by hopping on the bandwagon of "Let's claim a role!"

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Given sheer numbers, I am now inclined to believe that there are four detectives, four doctors, and three mafia.

Do you know who doesn't fit the bill? Doc Henry

Also, kikori...I'll believe you. For now. The most convincing thing to me is your initial thought that Top was a liar when he claimed doctor, though I'm not sure why you wouldn't counter-claim right away. Also, you could easily be trying to lead me astray as the Quack so as to keep me from trying to protect someone more important rather than worry about killing them. I'm ultimately uneasy about you.

I will be very interested to see if there's another detective and who they investigated.

If I am indeed the quack, which makes a bit of sense given Monk's response, I can and will use it as a vigilante kill tonight and any further nights I live. I will target someone I think is mafia and they will (hopefully) die. It'll most likely be someone who has been inactive who hasn't claim yet, like Aragorn or Tahu.

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I... that. Hm.
I actually hadn't considered Henry, really. But... looking back, it does kind of fit. Top and I had a fight based around two misunderstandings, which could be seen as scummy if turned the right way. Given I was responsible for his Day One death in Neighbors, just as Market may be threatened by me now, it could've been his chance to try to legitimately get rid of me to avoid another quick loss. Add to that he didn't seem keen on provoking you in specific Day One, and has had a focus far, far more on power players he feels he can lynch than anything else... It does seem he was willing to risk trying to clear other vets while he had the chance.
The logic is there, for sure. And so is my curiosity. He hasn't roleclaimed. There probably are Vanilla Townies, but... what, maybe one or two?

Lander, I didn't counter-claim because there was no need to. He was under attack as the "investigated" target by one "single" detective. In a typical game, that spells death. We were under the guise of this being a "typical" game. I could have just as easily claimed as I could not and he would be dead... if not for the hailstorm of people claiming while I was at work. The circumstances changed when I got back, and all I could do was try to keep from getting my head in a knot like everyone else. I simply felt it safest to confirm my position in the Village while summarizing what I saw, thought, and adding my two cents on where to push next.

The direction of the push, however. Two targets. Henry, and Market. Henry is suspicious, but personally? I still see Market as just plain scum.
On the fence. Disorganization of votes. OMGUS vote. A roleclaim at the scummiest possible time in the hailstorm. And here we find his behavior turning from scummy, to just... raging. When he was a villager, he was tame. Hell, when he had a villager's special role, he seemed giddy. This kind of behavior, for all his different experiences, seems too unnaturally aggressive. Henry needs a chance to respond; but until then, nothing about Market rings villager except a mere possibility of his claim being honest.

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Hold up I'm a regular villager too, not just DH.

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Thanks Lou for the help with the avatar.

Normally, you can't unless you either investigate a villager (and he dies) + investigate a mafia (and he dies), if it's confirmed upon your death (which it's not USUALLY specified anyway), or if it's confirmed in end-game role PM specifications.

Except maybe explicitly in variants like Medical Mafia, it's not usually shown on death. Depends on the host and the game style.

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THANK GOD I'M NOT ALONE!

I was seriously just facepalming so much thinking that I was the only vanilla townie in the bloody game :/

I'd actually also ASSUME that Scar is too, and what I said beforehand was true. The entire mafia are now fake-claiming to screw things up.

It's all too convenient a hoax for Kikori and Top to pull, I'm sticking to my guns.

and FRANKLY, since I believed that this was a regular game, not a variant, if I'm wrong then I just don't really care. If there are indeed 4 detective, 4 mafia and 3 doctors, my heart is no longer in the game.

If it is a ploy by the mafia, I want to root them out and play on. Kikori and Top are now somewhat trying to shift the blame onto me, and Lander can believe I'm a vanilla townie or not, but either all the detectives can waste the night on me, you can lynch me (which would such and be a big waste) or you can just believe me.

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dear kikori.
i must say im sorry if i hurt your feelings in any way. after all it is just a game and there is no need for me to be frustrated. especially if an angry tone comes off creating a negative atmosphere that everyone here has to endure.

my frustration is based on 2 things. mainly, i am switching to a night shift. and am HORRIBLE at it. i have managed to get 10 hours of sleep over the last 3 days. secondly, i am frustrated because i cannot (no matter how hard i try, or how many ways i try) persuade/convince you of ANYTHING. once you have an idea, you stick to it. to an extreme. had it occurred to you that i was holding my vote D1 because rather than guessing at who to kill, i could investigate them and be certain?(keep in mind this was before i found out there were multiple detectives).


but, id still like to give convincing you another shot.
when i posted about you getting lynched, and that it would help to confirm the detectives... you seemed to pick and choose what you wanted to read. and only discussed part of what i said.
"Your death coupled with self investigations" is what i said. you neglected to carry out your hypothetical discussion further and go over the investigations. so i will help you out

starting where you left off:

from here, we investigate ourselves.
if rex gets "you are scum" then we know he is insane. if he gets "you are village" then he is naive.
if i get "you are scum" then im paranoid. if i get "you are village" then im sane.
if riptide gets "you are scum" then he is paranoid. if he gets "you are village" then he is sane.

see? that is how you help us figure out what we are.
now to continue...



so IF the lynch on you was carried out, we would then know for 100% you were village, and go from there by: instead of investigating ourselves(another village) we would have to then investigate a mafia to be able to confirm our roles.

also, i would like you to clarify two things:
"Disorganization of votes." ....how have i been displaying a disorganization of votes?
"OMGUS vote" ....i would like to have a crystal clear understanding of an OMGUS vote. i have seen this tossed around and from what i gather it is when a player has a vote placed against them, they respond by voting back in return.

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