You were and you still are. You stonewalled a mafioso lynch and you put forward that you had information you wanted to share but was going to wait until you're damn good and ready to come forward. We lynched Pyro at the 11th hour with a flurry of activity. You holding out your information just leaves us more vulnerable to missing a lynch waiting for you to come forward and have everyone else have a chance to read and respond.

Thr voted for Pyro at "Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:38 pm"
Day phase ends at approximately 7:53pm EST on Friday, November 11th.

We came within 20 minutes of not getting Pyro killed last night. What nonsense to see that and filibuster like you did.

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I posted what I did to acknowledge what you knew. Because, despite the fact that I investigated Kikori, I don't know if I believe he's really town. It's been my feeling since Day 1 and it's exactly why I investigated him. And even after getting that info I still have my doubts. I've never been able to shake the fact that in the back of my head something just tells me Kikori is mafia and immune to investigations.

You've been in the way of this town moving forward and your actions continue to do so. And you put forth a crazy theory that I "bussed" (which I assume means that some mafia ploy of intentionally lynching a fellow mafioso...?) Pyro.



But it was the forth vote! Aragorn voted before I did. I know... I was counting the votes when I made mine.

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I wish I could get more in the middle of this, but I won't be around for it and it revolves around knowledge that ostensibly only each of you have. Paid, there's no reason to hang on to that last card; we really should know who is theoretically clear. It'll be obvious if they need to be reexamined if the game doesn't end on the second mafia lynch, and if you flip mafia with a third out there, I want to know who you'd want us to spend the game day overanalysing. I'd love to have more time to feel this debate out, but as it stands I feel voting for Frank is the ever-so-slightly better move.

This is my Current read excluding myself

Kikori - Seems to be pushing the town in a helpful way, lead the train to the Pyro lynch
Frank 4.0.1 - Hasn't been as pushy as Kikori, but definitely helpful to the conversation. If he really is the JoT I wouldn't be too surprised.
Aragorn - Cant really get a read on him, got into a bad situation D1. D1 situation may have been for Pyro and Paidea to separate themselves though.
Sighence - Has been almost inactive as me, however it seems for justifiable reasons. Might just be Vanilla townie.
Sparky - A vote to hammer Pyro after it already went through. (To be fair I have trouble tallying the votes sometimes too) Active but not really helpful.
Paidea - I honestly thought it was going to either be Paidea or Pyro to flip mafia. This due to being there's usually a fire-starter on both sides. (Mafia/Village) So when Pyro flipped I tried to re-evaluate, and I still think Paidea is mafia. It seems that all of their posts are more like fishing for victims than information.

With this being said Paidea is my choice. If they flip town (Which I don't think will happen) we lynch Frank, because at this point one of them is lying and probably mafia right?

Frank is continuing to slip up with his story.


He still hasn't answered these, but I'll acknowledge what he has said.


The lynch would have gone through with or without me.
I breadcrumbed because I needed another town PR to meet me halfway. You have not done that. You ignored the connection I pointed out until you had a cover story to fit with your agenda of casting suspicion on me. Also, the 20 minutes is exaggeration. Here's Lander's end-of-day stamp:

That's CST as well.


Here you are digging your grave deeper. Why would you protect someone that you are doubting is town?


Crazy theory? That's exactly something that Pyro would plan. Why are you pretending like you've never heard what bussing is?

To continue humoring your JoaT claim,

Are you still able to use your protection ability?
What other abilities do you have remaining?

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This is called lining up lynches and is very very bad... I hope you are the typical lurking Mafia because creating an either-or scenario as Town is objectively bad play. Frank and I aren't counter-claiming each other. It's possible both of us are telling the truth about our roles (especially because Mafia JoaT is just as likely as Village JoaT), but the way Frank has been side-stepping questions and crafting his responses says otherwise.

@Sighence, there's already a clue out there. You or Kikori should be able to find it once I die toNight (unless there's a protective PR out there).

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1) I've never been able to read Sig, and this game is no different. I thought he was behaving like he was mafia last game when he was town so I'm not going to pretend I can see what others are seeing when they give him a mafia lean. That said, I certainly don't see him as bona fide Town like I do, you.
2) God damnit I'm sure someone (lookin' at you, Jaron) is logging into my account and switching it off
3) It doesn't sit right with me because it looked to me as an attempt to set up a quick lynch by the mafia, then when it got a bit too quick and there wasn't any basis for it he bailed. Maybe that's just how I see it I'm going to go back and read through and see if I'm just holding a grudge.

Looking at Franks claim now against Paid's and I'm getting the impression (Thr has beaten me to it) that one of Paid or Frank are mafia. The problem is, It's pretty certain that a mislynch will cost us a very powerful role, and could cost us the game completely. I'm going to hold my vote on Frank for now because I find Paid's backup to his claim more believable than Frank's.

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This is just so lazy from you Paidea. How are you fooling anyone with these low effort lies? My response to his "story" is to go look up how dumb his story is. The things he says are factually wrong. The evidence is on the thread for everyone to see. There is no foundation to what he is saying... And worse yet, everything of importance he's done in this game up to this point has been a detriment to the town.

So far there are three votes on me. I get that there is a possibility that the second mafioso is following Paidea but that still means one of you is town. To you I say look at what I've done to help the town and look at what Paidea has. If that doesn't convince you of what side of the fence you should be on, I'm at a loss...

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The Day phase does not officially end until the Host comes on and posts an end-of-Day summary. It has always been played like that on RV. That's why the post you keep quoting says "approximately." The post I'm getting the stamp from is the official end-of-Day post.

Way to continue arguing semantics instead of addressing ANY of my other points against you. It only serves to strengthen my case.

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There is nothing to argue with. You've done nothing but bring up factually incorrect points to assert a convoluted story. The 'facts' to defend the story are completely incorrect and the only thing left is some insane belief that I 'bussed' Pyro despite not being the one most heavily pushing for that lynch... Reality does not agree with this nonsense you're floating out there.

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This is an unusual back and forth going on that honestly has me pretty confused about the state of the game.

Paidea finally admits who's who in the series and everything lines up with what has been said thus far. Can't logically doubt his claim anymore.
Frank claims Jack of All Trades... and says he was turned away at my door night two, which would be a risky lie to tell if it were a lie. It's true that I used the key night two.

As far as roleclaims go, both parties seem to be honest. So I'd like both parties to shut up and look to the facts; before we had the issue with two roleclaims proliferating confusion in the day, we still all agreed that Sighence (a very smart player) was a highly suspicious name, and Aragorn continued to try to split the vote. To make matters worse, he's highlighted the timezone difference between him and most of the other players, yet promises to have an updated opinion on this Frank-Paidea debacle by day's end... while it's roughly midnight his time. Empty promises strike me as fluff, the same kind of fluff that triggered my hunt against Pyro.

As the votes stand, it's Paidea and Frank with 2, Sighence with 1, Sparky with 1. We're most likely not getting a lynch today. Regardless, I vote Sighence. I refuse to believe these claims to be lies, given what seems to be confirmed accuracy from all names involved.

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It's funny how hard you're clinging to the time stamp debate because you can't address any of my points against you. Every time you try to hand-wave my points, I'll just repost them (along with proof). You have shown that you are incapable of providing any proof to the contrary and must resort to dismissal.




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So Kikori seems to think we're both town. If you are, and if you're going to continue to be stubborn, I need you to at least answer this one question:

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You're asking me to explain why a supposed townie would make those plays AND at the same time be completely destructive to the town chances of winning? Those are your crazy plays. Why are you asking for me to explain them? I can't explain it... I don't understand why a townie would do such things. The only real explanation I could come up with is to drop the assumption the person is town. Why don't you explain why you didn't bother to check before you falsely asserted I was the third voter on the Pyro lynch? Why didn't you go look back at the rules and the times behind the Pyro lynch to find out exactly how close we were at missing it?


What do you explain this crap today is? Either you are super paranoid and have done serious damage to the towns chances of winning this game or you're a mafioso just stalling out the day. And here we are and you've still not really put it forward who else is part of your reports. You still are being brazenly secretive when conventional logic says we should have just killed you to begin the day.

I can't give you explanations of your plays. I don't understand them. I don't understand how anyone who would be town aligned would do the stuff you've done this game.


Yes.


You're asking me to believe that he been completely wrong on Spiro, Pyro and now myself. That it is simply a huge fluke that this is the second day that he misrepresented the visible facts of this game. I don't doubt that he has the powers that he does. I do doubt the alignment behind the role. I will hammer Siggy if the votes come to it.



Paidea, Siggy, and Aragorn are all voting for Frank.
Thr and Frank are voting for Paidea.
Kikori and Sparky are voting for Sighence.

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Ok then Frank, I'll Unvote. You protect me tonight and I'll watch you. The Mafia won't be able to kill either of us without either wasting a Night, or getting caught out. This plan revolves around us accepting that Kikori is a Villager, which is probably a bigger pill for you to swallow than me, but I digress. Lynching Sig or Thr is more optimal toDay. That being said,

@Sparky, where you at?
@Kikori, why not Thr? His latest post seems to indicate that he might know Frank and I are both Villagers.

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Unvote. What a huge mess. Do we move on Siggy since Kikori seems to be the ringleader here? We've got ~5 hours to do something here.

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Sounds like a plan, as far as using the current night to get something done. Frank, though it puts me at risk of being the highest priority target for the Mafia at that point, I urge you to take it. We have not seen the death of a normal Doctor, so it's possible (unlikely, given the role spread thus far, but possible) for there to be one to cover me.

As for Thr. I stand by that the timing of his vote against Pyro on the lynch was too villager-esque to make me think of him as Mafia. He could've just as easily stayed silent and been just a suspect of being too idle to play; at the time, it wasn't 100% sure that Sparky would turn on Pyro, too. If he were Mafia, I believe continued silence would've been the best option for him.

And it shouldn't be at all a hard pill for Frank to swallow, thinking me a villager. He used his night one investigation on me, remember?

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The seeds we soe... Sighence.

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Un-vote Paidea
I disagree about lynching Sighence over Paidea, but I feel that no lynch is worse.

I don't think Sig will flip Mafia, but at least we got a lynch in while we could.
Treat tomorrow like LYLO in case there's two mafia.

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