Ya shouldn't of called be dumb three times in a row man,

TRIGGERED Pyro

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That's why I thought Pyro might be third party. His interactions aren't coming off as though he has a buddy (or buddies). But now I see they clearly came from a townie.


If you and I are still both alive then we shall have more words about this. For now, there's no point.


You are but I want specific reasoning. You just let him off the hook for apparently no reason.


Spiro has done absolutely nothing to show he's town but ok, thanks for your thoughts.

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@Aragorn sorry I missed your FOS on Frank. If you're town then consider the Kikori connection tomorrow please.

@Spiro because you and Thr aren't doing anything except riding the current.

@Thr at least you're honest why you're voting. Thanks but I think you're wrong about Pyro.

And if we didn't need any more evidence already, Sparkys post is clearly scum-aligned. Hammer without a claim or last words, really?

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Unless I miscounted, (which is possible, I'm on a phone) I thought Thr hammered him. Mine was just extra as a joke.

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VOTES FOR PYRO:

Kikori
Spirographed
Frank
Thr
Sparky

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Lander kind of stumbled into the madness in his living room.

"Gentlemen, you have my sincerest apologies. I, uh, have been partaking in the libations. BUT NOW,"He shouted, "We have a lynch."

Pyro shook his head.

"Show us your card!"

Pyro dropped his card and retreated to the ice cream bar with Top. Lander picked it up. It showed that Pyro was the career criminal, aligned with the mafia.

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Night two begins. Day Three will began promptly Sunday, 11/13 at 11:41am EST. Or more accurately, when I wake up between noon and one. Or after all night roles have sent in their actions.

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Apologies, Gentlemen, I did miss a vote. Aragorn voted Pyro before Thr did, making Sparky's vote inconsequential. The vote order is as follows:

Kikori
Defeat
Frank
Aragorn
Thr
Sparky

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"Eyes open, everyone!" Lander said. "It's that time again. Every action is repaid in kind, it would seem." He pointed to Spirographed.

"Show us your card."

"Man, I'm tired of all the shouting anyways. I'm gonna go talk to Top about obscure music."

And thus, it was revealed to all that Spirographed was a vanilla townie aligned with the town.

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Spirographed - Vanilla Townie, killed Night Two

Day three begins, seven players remain, four votes to lynch. Day three ends at approximately 1:08am EST Wednesday, 11/16 or when a lynch is reached.

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Well, I need to press the "reset" button on this game. My reads have been way off. The Spiro kill makes absolutely no sense as nobody outright said they were town-reading him, and he wasn't dropping any bread crumbs.

Kikori get in here and lead pls.

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Spiro? Odd. If the Mafia was after tempo control, then Frank, Paidea, and myself would be the most logical targets. Why kill someone who has been in the background for the most part? The only person who's actually given Spiro a nod of approval was me, as far as I remember.

At the start of it all, my gut very strongly says Paidea. He seemed to absolutely refuse to touch the Pyro train, dismissed the notion that Spiro is at all a villager, and clung like an obsessed hound to someone that, for a portion of the day, a Mafia member was trying to lynch. The "easiest target".

Pyro, on the other hand, posted anything about Paidea... when? He pointed out that Paidea seemed intent on lynching Aragorn D1, that Paidea and I had a "conflict" with no opinion on it, a vague curiosity about what Paidea asked D2 that ended up shifting "blame" to me-Aragorn-Sparky, and that Paidea brings too much attention to himself to be Mafia. And an opinion that he may not have a night role.

These interactions together very heavily make me think Paidea and Pyro were intentionally trying to force distance between one another, with Pyro in particular doing a bad job at it. Couple that with Pyro constantly naming me, Aragorn, Sparky, and Spiro as the most likely Mafia cohorts... and it all just becomes a recipe for a lot of divisive WIFOM play.

One curiosity comes to mind. The behavior change Pyro had around the time he vote-hopped for me, and Paidea's own treatment of Pyro in return when the hops happened. I'll take a look--and I encourage everyone else to do the same--at Pyro's interactions about the time he went for Sparky, then back to me. Look at how much greater he tries to distance himself from Paidea. If we can come to a conclusion about it being INSANELY obvious that there's a "connection he's trying to avoid", I'd be willing to bet Pyro was hoping to drag Paidea's name through the mud the same way I've done with referencing Lander's name before my own Mafia death. However, if the level of closeness with Paidea is seen as thoroughly consistent, if flawed, then I'd lean towards a pre-existing plan to try to make and keep that distance being shared between two Mafia members.

I might have explained that idea poorly. If so, ask and I'll go for a re-word on it.

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It makes sense. I'm going to be honest, while I'm glad that Pyro was mafia, my stomach turned over a little when I saw he flipped mafia because I knew I would be the #1 suspect toDay.

I really just got played by Pyrp. You and others have more experience playing with him and could see through his BS. I will study this game over and learn from it, because I was dead wrong about Pyro. I honestly feel defeated especially because I was wrong about Spiro too.

There is something affecting my gameplay but I want other people to chime in before I head that direction

Also @Kikori do you think there's 1 mafia or 2 remaining?

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Two remaining. Gut feeling that Pyro's attempt at playing the numbers game was made to be as believable as possible by borrowing from the truth.

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So here's my take on the relevant interactions.



There was a long silence between Paidea saying and doing anything concerning Pyro aside from "I think he's town".
There was a great deal of changing suspicions and throwing names around from Pyro about the time he started backpedaling and growing frantic at the moment I highlighted my notes. Pyro's opinion of Paidea never changed, but he suddenly seemed like he was in a rush to get everything out at once.

My verdict on it is I feel like Pyro is trying to make a scapegoat out of Paidea. I'm a villager, no two ways about it. Sparky's probably at high risk due to a lack of productive posts from him and being heavily tied to two days' worth of suspicious activity. Aragorn's not done enough to make me feel like he's a Mafia who simply escaped a random day-one lynch. Thr's vote strikes me as a villager thing, given what Pyro's survival COULD have done for the Mafia, so late in the day. Frank has never struck me as Mafia throughout this game, nor did he strike either of our dead villagers as one, far as I recall. Sighence hasn't been active enough to get a read on, which is concerning, as he's a good player.
As I believe two people are remaining as Mafia, here's my own mock Mafiality chart.
Kikori, Frank, Thr, Aragorn, Paidea, Sparky Sighence
I really would like everyone to look it over and voice their own opinions on the matter.

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Let me be clear about one thing.

This in particular is the primary reason neither Paidea nor Sparky are closer to green or blue in my book. Paidea had been watching votes pretty thoroughly, yet somehow missed one and called out Sparky as the hammer. To me, it felt.. orchestrated. Unrelated to the suspicions of a Pyro-Paidea link. But something that comes across as off to me between Pyro-Sparky.

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I'll get more into what you're saying tomorrow... However, I do want to just throw this out here since it doesn't require much thought.

Votes for Pyro: Kikori, Spiro, Aragorn, Frank, and Thr. (And a superfluous vote by Sparky.)
Pyro Holdouts: Paidea, Siggy, and Sparky.

Votes for Aragorn: Top, Paidea, Siggy, and Pyro.
Aragorn Holdouts: Sparky, Spiro, Kikori, Thr, and Aragorn.

Some things really stick out here... Paidea and Siggy both were in on the Aragorn vote but both ended up being a holdout for the Pyro vote. Sparky is the only common holdout among the groupings. I am the only player who "voted" for both unless you count Kikori's verbal commitment to hammer Aragorn. Siggy expressed some willingness to swing his vote to Pyro, though he ultimately did not. Paidea flat stonewalled the Pyro vote.

Adieu until tomorrow... or so.

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Yeah, yeah, I goofed with my wording. Since the start of seriousmode day one, I've tried to keep a split on my take of things between my gut's feelings and my head's logic. I should've worded it as "I've never thought Frank Mafia throughout this game". Gut check said possible, head has never agreed with it.

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Well with Pyros mafia outcome I completely redact my feelings on Kik, and I'll just blame myself for looking suspicious to Kik and therefore me being suspicious of Kik.

So far Sighence has been up in my top 3, and It doesn't help that he was the one who started my vote train yesterday, so I'm with you Kik, and I'm going to go with

Sighence for now.

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Fix your signature, then. :p

And please pitch in on one of the other important matter at hand; what's your take on the relationship between Pyro and Paidea (and to a lesser extent, between them and you/me/Aragorn/Spiro)? Pyro's constant use of these same names alongside vote placement yesterday puts Paidea in a hotseat as well.

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Ah, nevermind, it was being fixed as I posted that. Heh.

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I'm more insulted that I haven't made a "relevant interaction" yet. I will add your name in my list of enemies.

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To start, I do not think it will end up a coincidence that both Paidea and Siggy were in on the failed Aragorn lynch AND hold outs on the successful mafioso Pyro lynch. Between the two, we're likely to find a mafioso.

Perhaps it goes without saying but I do want to make it explicit that the successful lynch of Pyro does not, in itself, absolve Sparky of the suspicion surrounding him.

For the 2 or 3 mafia thing... I don't know. Previous 10 player games have left us with a game of 8 townies v 2 mafiosos. I can see Pyro's story on the amount of mafiosos being either a bluff or the truth. We have to commit ourselves to the idea that there are still two mafiosos out there but I still wouldn't be shocked to learn there is only one.

I like our odds of finding a mafioso between Paidea and Siggy. The third mafioso might be a bit trickier.



I suppose that is possible... But I also really soured on Paidea yesterday. It is such a stark contrast to be behind the whole Aragorn lynch for information and then stonewall another lynch that could have given us the same "information" that we could have got with Aragorn.

Doubly interesting that Pyro flipped mafioso in the end. I get there is a parable about glass houses that I should respect in this situation. BUT Paidea was actively trying to get people to unvote on a successful lynch.

Conversely, Siggy has been playing this game in the real back rows. Outside of putting some pressure on on the non-Aragorn voters Day 1 he's been willing to just roll with what is out there. I know he said something about some dodgy internet connections so maybe that can explain some things but it's nonetheless suspicious that Siggy's voice was more loud and poignant Day 1 than it was Day 2.

As for Sparky, he was already pretty suspicious (though how much of that was a mafioso ploy to defend/delay Pyro?) and he didn't vote for Pyro despite having a chance. He chucked a meaningless vote on him after Thr saw to hammering Pyro... Not sure how I feel about that.



I'm really interested to learn what this is. I'd definitely like to hear from all three of these guys (AND EVERYONE ELSE) before getting too involved with trying to find the votes for another lynch anyways.

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