A Mafia Story. Game over, mafia win.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** June 23rd, 2013, 8:33 pm

I am here. I've been reading up and am all set up now so should be more active from now on. Sparky and Paidea are quiet, I'm thinking one or both of them are mafia. Sparky's play style to me seems similar to when he was mafia with myself. Paidea is usually really prominent in games and to be honest I'd forgotten he was playing.

I want to see what Sparky has to say.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** June 23rd, 2013, 8:34 pm

I don't know how helpful this will be, but maybe it'll give you more information to go on. I'm a vengeful townie. If I'm lynched I can choose anyone to take down with me. Make of that what you will.

Kikori · **Posted:** June 24th, 2013, 12:45 am

About time you got serious. Now let's make this as numerically obvious as possible.

Mafia almost always appear in a game as anywhere from 25% to 33.33% of the population. Anywhere above or below that zone will be due to a variant style game.
33.33% would have us at four Mafia. If this were the case, we'd have lost by now.
25% would have us at three Mafia. Considering we're still playing, this is very likely the case.
It's entirely possible the presence of a Miller and Jester leave us with only two Mafia, but a near 18% Mafia to Villager rate seems insanely unlikely.

Three Mafia in the game. Six people need to be alive for the Mafia to win. We have eight alive now. With a mis-lynch, it literally falls on the Doctor-types (if we have any) to save the game for one last day. This kind of day is a Jester's favorite day. Suiciding themselves for the sake of ensuring their own victory while giving the Mafia an all but assured path to victory is a Jester's greatest way to win. That way to win would be happening today if Top was not lynched yesterday.
Meanwhile, yesterday we had too many variables to work out if he was left alive. Two detectives? Godders' suggestion of variable tracking roles, the potential for a Framer, and the fact that he outright lied? He clearly wanted to die. His goal is to die. I don't care if it gets him a victory to lynch him, I care that removing him means all the confusion surrounding his name is cleared and we get another day to work out the truth. The Mafia wouldn't remove him because they could easily count on him to lynch himself for the sake of a shared victory.

So yes. Top is dead, and I believe it helped save us from a confused mis-lynch (or no-lynch) yesterday that would potentially set up a Mafia coup today.
I still believe Godders is Mafia.

Pyro3000 · **Posted:** June 24th, 2013, 5:53 am

I fail to see how lynching a non-mafia (and one that wins the game win lynched at that) is better than not lynching at all. All it does it give the mafia an advantage.

You're not helping your case in the slightest, especially since you still swear that it was good to lynch someone who's death benefits the mafia.

Market Man6 · **Posted:** June 24th, 2013, 7:01 am

Well, I certainly dont want to have no lynch today. And im kind of leaning towards voting for kikori.
Having said that, I am aware I have misread him in the past, so I am still open to debate.

Kikori · **Posted:** June 24th, 2013, 9:38 am

Pyro3000 wrote:

I fail to see how lynching a non-mafia (and one that wins the game win lynched at that) is better than not lynching at all. All it does it give the mafia an advantage.

You're not helping your case in the slightest, especially since you still swear that it was good to lynch someone who's death benefits the mafia.

Because Jesters that want to die don't cooperate with the village, either.
Because today is the day a Jester would pull a suicide in order to ensure a Mafia win, meaning ZERO chance to get a Mafia lynch today with the Jester alive.
And because it still cleared up the confusion surrounding Top's role, since there were numerous possibilities being thrown up in the air.

If you're still going to defend the idea of a non-Villager who can't win if sided with the Village as being better off alive, I'll start thinking you need to die. His death benefits the Mafia in numbers alone. But his life threatens the village with confusion, betrayal, and lack of cooperation. This is worth protecting?

Saten Ruiko · **Posted:** June 24th, 2013, 12:29 pm

TIME RESTRICTION ALERT
LESS THAN 10 HOURS LEFT IN DAY PHASE

"ID 11100 - Kikori - Active
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Kikori wrote:

With a mis-lynch, it literally falls on the Doctor-types (if we have any) to save the game for one last day.

Game host Landerpurex outright stated that there was a Village-aligned power role left unused due to lack of activity during Night 1. Chances are minimal that the previously-active User 10110 - Jackstick was the offending player. As we have not seen any other Village-aligned power roles, one could assume it would be a Doctor.

However, previous evidence has shown that no assumptions can be made about the current game's roles. If User 10010 - Aragorn Ix's claim is true, a third uncommon role was also added to the game. But to not include any protective role whatsoever for the sake of the Village would be a travesty not befitting game balance.

ACCESSING DIRECT QUOTATION:

Kikori wrote:

Because today is the day a Jester would pull a suicide in order to ensure a Mafia win, meaning ZERO chance to get a Mafia lynch today with the Jester alive.

Obviously not, as User 00100 - Black Mage Evilwizardington has been previously lynched. In fact, with Black Mage's claim on Day 2, his lynch on Day 3 was practically assured, regardless of whether User 10111 - PenguinGuy turned out to be a member of the Mafia or not."

"ID 00001 - Sasori - Active
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Pyro3000 wrote:

I fail to see how lynching a non-mafia (and one that wins the game win lynched at that) is better than not lynching at all. All it does it give the mafia an advantage.

Enough evidence exists such that I can align myself with the sentiments of this opinion."

Vote: Kikori

Market Man6 · **Posted:** June 24th, 2013, 8:05 pm

kikori.
because I believe you are mafia, and you did nothing to sway my decision.

Kikori · **Posted:** June 24th, 2013, 10:21 pm

Market Man6 wrote:

kikori.
because I believe you are mafia, and you did nothing to sway my decision.

Or because you're Mafia and believe your vote with Pyro's will turn enough lynch-wanting Villagers over to the idea of succeeding on the "easiest lynch possible" today.
Just saying.

SparkyAMS · **Posted:** June 24th, 2013, 11:04 pm

Pyro3000 wrote:

Sparky is also oddly inactive considering he's always been VERY active in games and activities around here. I'm lead to believe he's more active than he displays. I firmly believe he also has a night phase role.

Ha ha, what?

I just hang around the minecraft forum area.
As far as activities, this mafia game is the second thing I've ever done.
The first thing was the LAST mafia game, where I made only like 5 posts the whole game because I was new.

Aragorn Ix wrote:

Sparky and Paidea are quiet, I'm thinking one or both of them are mafia. Sparky's play style to me seems similar to when he was mafia with myself.

I want to see what Sparky has to say.

...OK

Again only one other mafia game, and I was KILLED BY YOU.

Paidea wrote:

With the votes of Landerpurex, Aragorn Ix, Kisshoten, and Imasquid, the town has reached a majority.

SparkAMS, Villager, has died a bloody death.

Night 6 has begun.

Soo... unless there is some other SparkyAMS on here that I don't know about I'm just gonna say your mafia!

But because There would be no time to change the votes now, and It appears the game may hinge on the next two votes,
I will stick with the majority and go with Kikori

I've been inactive the last few days because I haven't been getting on this computer. It can't play Kiks new minecraft mod, so I've been fiddling with my laptop.
I never entered in all my website username and passwords to it, so I haven't bothered with the internet and kinda forgot about mafia for a couple days. sorry.

Kikori · **Posted:** June 25th, 2013, 12:05 am

So you believe someone else is a Mafia but you're voting solely by trusting the majority instead of sticking to your gut?
Welp, good game. Flawless victory.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** June 25th, 2013, 2:06 am

Unvote

Sparky, were we not mafia together last game. Must have got you confused with imasquid, sorry. I'm just making one Fuzzy Bunny

up after another...

Paidea · **Posted:** June 25th, 2013, 9:28 am

Market Man6

Your posts are characteristic of a classic mafioso. You aren't providing any new information or ideas and are just coat-tailing behind others. I already have my suspicions on Godders, and your chainsaw defense on him with the vote on Kikori is enough for me to vote you.

Something is very fishy with the Kikori train. Unfortunately not everyone on it can be mafia. I am guessing that between Pyro and Sayaka, only one of them is mafia.

Also I'd wager that if Market Man is mafia, Godders is 100% mafia.

Kikori · **Posted:** June 25th, 2013, 9:46 am

Paidea wrote:

I am guessing that between Pyro and Sayaka, only one of them is mafia.

For what it's worth, you already know my guess between the two.

However, as previously stated, Market's actions tell me "Mafia" as well. Be it Pyro or Market lynched, I don't care, both are scum in my eyes.
Market Man6.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** June 25th, 2013, 10:03 am

To hell with it, Market.

Kikori · **Posted:** June 25th, 2013, 10:22 am

Let me remind you, Sparky, a truthful statement brought up earlier.

Pyro3000 wrote:

Unfortunately, with a 5 villager to 3 mafia stand and needing 5 votes to lynch, we likely won't be able to lynch anyone that is a mafia member unless every single non-mafia cooperates.

Every non-Mafia must cooperate. You believe Aragorn is a Mafia? I don't. A Mafia had the perfect lynch target only a few posts ago--me--yet Paidea and Aragorn are going another direction.
Either we three are the three Mafia going one direction in a last ditch effort, or we are three villagers with a common scummy target in mind.

You want to stick with the majority now? Or you want to actually follow your gut and take a look at who's voting for who, and what reasoning's behind the votes? Remember, your vote is a sheep vote behind a suspected Mafia, which is exactly what I guessed would happen well before Market became under increased suspicion from Paidea. The votes are divided, kid, so that excuse is gone. Time to decide if it's because you jumped on a Mafia train or still think you're voting for one.

This goes for, with a little less certainty, Sayaka as well. Either 2/3 the Mafia are voting for Market, or 2/3 the Mafia are voting for Kikori. Man up and take a hard look at the two.

Pyro3000 · **Posted:** June 25th, 2013, 10:34 am

So we have 3 votes for kikori and he's still alive.

All the mafia have to do is jump on a user with 2 votes to secure a win, and yet Kikori still lives.

I'm telling you all. Kikori is mafia. So is Paidea.

They're both voting for market and it puts him at 3 votes, but there won't be a bandwagon on him because the only remaining mafia left to vote would bring him to 4. They need another villager to vote for Market to kill him.

If we kill Kikori we still have a chance because I can tell you with 100% certainty that he's mafia.

We're not going to benefit from not lynching anyone, and the mafia likely don't care if we get a lynch. If we don't kill a mafia today they win during the night phase. It's a guarantee. They don't care if another villager dies. Only that a mafia doesn't die.

We have to get a lynch, and Kikori still being alive speaks worlds to me.

Kikori, you say that either 2/3 of the mafia are voting for market or 2/3 are voting for you. If you're not mafia, why would they bother voting for market at all? If they came in and saw that you were so close to a lynch then why would they vote for anyone else? Surely they would think they could just pile on you and wait for the last vote.

Yet here you are switching your vote to help lynch someone the moment you see someone else cast a vote on them.

You're mafia and so is Paidea. The only reason Market is still alive is because Aragorn is the only villager that is voting for him. This also gives me enough reason to affirm that Market is a villager since there are 2 mafia members voting for him.

Now I only need to figure out the third mafia member, which after tonight, I'll know without a shred of doubt.

Kikori · **Posted:** June 25th, 2013, 10:39 am

Here's more substantial proof why I believe Pyro is the Mafia, as opposed to Sayaka.
Pyro's vote for me is wishy washy logic based off me having replaced Rex, and having killed Topsummoner. A person who wanted to die, a person who has proven he'll plow through villagers in the past, a person who if alive today would still be voting for himself. His death benefits the Mafia in numbers, but his life produces NOTHING for the village.
Recall who voted for him. Sayaka was on the train under the "Lynch all liars" logic. A Jester benefits the Mafia, a Mafia benefits the Mafia, so kill Topsummoner. That doesn't sound like a Mafia train of thought to me. Where was your vote, Pyro? Trying to stir stuff up with me. Meanwhile Market's trying to veil a vote for you before the inevitable Top lynch. So with the most suspected Mafia trying to "drill" you before switching to the most obvious target of the day, you sit back and try to divide the votes to keep the Jester (a detriment to the village) from lynching himself.

Meanwhile Sayaka's vote for me has had grounds since I joined the game. Courtesy of opening the pages of the topic up in tabs and accidentally closing some out to need to be re-opened, I had the days mixed up when read left-to-right in the tab view, mistakenly having my posts about Jackstick's behavior as faulty logic due to seeing day one's posts after day two's posts. As this gives the appearance of trying to falsely link information to him, this does give him grounds to see me as Mafia.

In short, Pyro's votes on me are fluffed up bullshit, while Sayaka actually has grounds for it. Pyro has greater ties to the suspected Mafia, while Sayaka has actually looked for Mafia behavior.
Hence, I pray Sayaka turns his vote on Market before Godders hammers in the last vote.

Pyro3000 · **Posted:** June 25th, 2013, 10:48 am

I didn't vote for Top because it was more beneficial to let the Mafia kill him instead of giving him the victory for the game. The jester adds to the total pool of villagers. Anyone on the village side should have been willing to accept him as padding to the numbers. If Top lived through the day, the mafia would have decided that the villagers believed he was the jester and would never vote for him. Then they would kill him during the night phase the night after he survived.

If my logically thought out case is wishy washy, then how solid is your own? Your case is that I didn't vote to kill someone that was an evident villager.

If any of us has a weak case, it is you.

Pyro3000 · **Posted:** June 25th, 2013, 10:52 am

I would also like to note that Kikori isn't voting for me. He's still on a bandwagon vote for Market. He's more interested in killing anyone that's killable instead of only targeting someone that he supposedly sure about being mafia.

A Mafia Story. Game over, mafia win.

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