Right, let's take two different routes here:

What have I done? Brought a mafia to trial and executed him.

What's Henry done? Taken a bullet for a mafia.

Yep, clearly I'm the bad guy here. hell, guys. I know process of elimination when I see it; I narrowed it down to two with my first post of the second day and from there it was a simple matter to narrow it to one.

But let's ignore all that, because there's something bigger here now that I'm essentially guaranteed to go up.

Kill me, and Henry wins.

Let's make that literally bigger.

KILL ME, AND HENRY WINS.

I die. 4 left.

Henry kills Ex, 3 left.

That leaves Kik, Lander, and Henry.

Only one of those people can be the judge that day.

I'll let you guess who that is and how it'll play from there.

But it, if I was the mafia in my current position, I'm a Not Guilty away from having it wrapped up too. You guys won't believe me. Enjoy your defeat.

The President can not make himself the judge, remember? Assume you're right: Henry can only ever be safe as the Judge.

You die. If you flip Town, that leaves Henry as the most likely. Who's the President? Lander. Hey, let's throw a wrench into that plan--what if Lander dies instead? ANYONE but Henry is eligible for Presidency, so ANYONE but Henry can keep from making Henry the Judge. He is not assured a victory, if you somehow flip town. As it stands with your order of events, Lander would elect me the judge on the final day to avoid Henry getting a free kill to win it. And I'm pretty certain we have the power to nominate him in a 2/3 majority.

That does not stop me from thinking the game won't get that far. My nomination was not recklessly placed upon you.

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Combine that with the fact that Henry has no reason to kill anyone other than Rex now.

In short, your post is hilariously . I hope for your sake that you're the mafia. As for me, I'm taking some time out from mafia/RV, because this. Maybe see y'all for the next game, maybe not, I don't know.

Top, kill me off.

...the just happened?

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Ragequit of infantile proportions.

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Seems that way.

Incredibly pissed off with Top right now. I had absolutely zero say in what happened. When the host literally throws you under the bus it is a load of . The role should really have given me a choice whether I want to waste my one-shot protection on someone I think is innocent or keep it for myself, not automatically jumping in front of someone I think is mafia ¬¬

As for Monk thinking that there would be a bulletproof mafia, without a vigilante around, and the clear implications of what would have happened if I were the mafia, and basically showed myself up to save Godders who died anyway... well that is just stupid. There is no way that such a faulty game mechanic would be allowed. Then he ragequits when he realises he hasn't got a chance.

Nominate: Monk

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If he's genuinely ragequit, are we going to have to wait on him to post?

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Give it the day. Or most of the day to see if he comes around. If not, kill him off.

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No really, kill me off. Henry deserves this one.

Monk, if you're innocent, this game is designed so you can defend yourself. Go ahead.

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I was about to say " no, it's a waste of time", but y'know what? Worst case, I'll get to rub it in (and believe me when I say I will) at every opportunity. That's worth it.

Post formulation is commencing. Buckle in.

Make a case.

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I'll take that as an "I don't wanna!" myself.

Objections?

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I'll use little words since you seem not to be able to read out past ten characters per word: I am making a defense. Wait for me.

Also I'd like to call an (in all probability hostile) lawyer.

Elect: Ex Rex

OH NO HE DIDNT CALL IN DOC HE MUST BE MAFIA

Right then. Could I be mafia? Sure. My claim is that of a civilian, the easiest to use as it's the hardest to prove.

Part the First: Why Henry's your mafia

First bit that should tip you off is this post right here:

First, you'll notice the general air of being 'helpfully unhelpful'; saying a lot of words, but what's there really? Not a whole lot. You've been playing long enough to see that. Even better, what is he saying? There's no framer? Patently untrue as he knew and we now all know.

Kikori has stated that Henry's alignment is improbable given his role; it'd be strange and potentially give away his own role. He ignores the oddities of his own role:one-shot dayvig, with odd restrictions and stipulations, not to mention the peculiarities of a split detective and the mystery of the defense attorney, among others. Further, why would there be, in what is surely a two-mafia game, be a town-aligned unkillable? The balance was precarious enough; we had to have a night zero to give the mafia an opening in the town's defensive roles. If anything, a mafia-aligned unkillable is a necessary balance concession.

Part the Second: Why would I kill Godders?

Kikori has stated that Godders was basically outed anyway from his vote pattern. As a mafia judge, why would, knowing that tomorrow's situation would be similar to this one, kill my partner? Try to appear town? Yeah, that's gotten me far. No, as a mafia, given that today's situation would be inevitable if Godders died, I'd be forced to save him. Killing Godders, as a mafia, only appears to be the smart move on the surface. In reality, getting rid of my partner denies me the opportunity to attempt to split the votes (not to mention his own), buys us another day of tasty chaos, and is generally bad form.

Part the Third: Why I've shown I'm not mafia.

Very first thing day 2, I narrow the field to two suspects, pointing out the only two without claims at the time, Godders and Henry. I'm banking on it not being coincidence. I could have, just as easily, have pointed out complementary roles (henry/kik, for example) and attempting to piggyback off each other in order to not use their roles. After all, Kik not shooting Penguin or Rex could very easily be taken as a mafia move; you only know better (and frankly, we don't know) in hindsight.

Just as importantly, you lot have played quite a few games with me by now. Have I ever been this good as a mafia? This passionate? Hell, played at all like this? Nope.

A weaker point, but one I'll make nonetheless: A mafia will strongly tend to completely ignore his partners. Exposing Godders' weakness is hardly avoidance.

"But Monk," you say, "Henry voted for Godders first!" True. However, forcing a trial with my mafia buddy is hardly avoidance. I could just as easily did what you lot did: not voted, or better, voted for Kikori. It makes no sense to go out of my way to so knowingly and willingly kill my mafia buddy.

Part the Fourth: Why would I kill Penguin?

This one's short, simple, and perhaps most compelling: I have no reason to kill Penguin, a President who apparently thought I'm town. Literally anyone would have made far more sense for me to kill.

Finally, a note of caution: Kikori isn't confirmed. Don't make tomorrow a formality. As mafia, it's in his best interest to kill me off, both by virtue of being town and for pointing the finger at someone else, as he'll no longer have to appear town nearly as much. I'm not saying he is mafia, but just don't make the mistake of saying he for sure isn't; a lot of things have lined up well for him if he is mafia. I don't trust you lot to not have sussed that out anymore.

tl;dr: I'm not mafia, my bet's it's Henry, but I might be wrong. Good luck guys.

I hope you'll forgive me if I read that as preparing posts to rub it in post-game rather than actually make a wall of text during the trial.
Note to self: Dividing TF2 and Mafia may lead to confusing ragequit with preparing a defense.

"Make a case" indeed.

The only part I continue to disagree on is why you might kill Godders. What hope did he have to survive the day? Replace the Judge that day with any single person other than Godders. Do you honestly see him having survived the attention he had earned himself? You who told him here his one way out of it before finalizing your stance against his mistake? No matter how you slice it, Godders was dead meat day two. Just as thinking Rex was guilty earned him suspicion, it's obvious as hell anyone who thought Godders wasn't guilty would be heavily suspect as Mafia defending a Mafia. Everything else you say admittedly makes some sense.

Penguin's death is incredibly confusing. It made a potential struggle for Presidency between the real and Mafia, but that falls apart when you need to live two days on a plan that only gets you one.

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