A Very British Mafia [Town Wins]

Muscular Ape · **Posted:** February 4th, 2014, 10:57 pm

Also, Sparky made it rather obvious in his last post who is really allied together:

SparkyAMS wrote:

If those who have been SIGHlent so far would like to help make this day not a waste, unlike the last two, then they are welcome to help me and Spiro in our noble cause to clean up this town of ones such as Ape and Henry. THRough a simple change of vote we can be on our way of ridding our town of scum.

It's become very see-through.

Spirographed · **Posted:** February 4th, 2014, 11:17 pm

Muscular Ape wrote:

Spirographed wrote:

Also: nice try. Dr. Henry will surely cast his vote on me. He is your co-conspiritor. A feigned ignorance isn't going to work on me. Its all worked on Thr. For shame, Thr....for shame.

But you implied earlier that I was trying to lead people away from Monk:

Spirographed wrote:

Also: something about Ape's last post about the bromance rubs me the wrong way. Its an oddly long and strange/missleading theory....and right after the other post, too. Maybe trying to get us to move on and miss something in the former?

Wouldn't that make Monk my co-conspirator?

Your posts are only convincing me further that I am indeed correct.

You are mafia.

God damnit. Ill address this in a minute. I've got to get to a computer.

Spirographed · **Posted:** February 4th, 2014, 11:46 pm

Welp. At this point I don't have it in me to keep repeating myself. I was going to go back and quote everything I've had to repeat, and your INCESSANT beating of a dead horse, but alas... It doesn't matter anymore.
I failed as a Doctor by selfishly self-protecting the first couple Nights, because I arrogantly thought I'd be an early target and cleared. I also thought the Detective would say something...anything before he died, so I could protect him. Oh, well.

What I have done is this: I've gone back and read our entire Day 2 and 3 and what I've come up with is that Thr and Ape are Town. Ape and I are two stubborn Town folk, BOTH grasping at straws, because of a pride that has no place in this game. I am still wary of Dr. Henry, though. Who I now think the best bet of being a mafia member issssssss SparkyAMS.

He is WAY to non-chalant/un-explanitory/weird wording with his vote.
Hopefully all townies vote for him, and he's the roleblocker, so I don't die tonight. If he's not..Meh. So it goes...

Riptide · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 5:41 am

Spirographed wrote:

Welp. At this point I don't have it in me to keep repeating myself. I was going to go back and quote everything I've had to repeat, and your INCESSANT beating of a dead horse, but alas... It doesn't matter anymore.
I failed as a Doctor by selfishly self-protecting the first couple Nights, because I arrogantly thought I'd be an early target and cleared. I also thought the Detective would say something...anything before he died, so I could protect him. Oh, well.

What I have done is this: I've gone back and read our entire Day 2 and 3 and what I've come up with is that Thr and Ape are Town. Ape and I are two stubborn Town folk, BOTH grasping at straws, because of a pride that has no place in this game. I am still wary of Dr. Henry, though. Who I now think the best bet of being a mafia member issssssss SparkyAMS.

He is WAY to non-chalant/un-explanitory/weird wording with his vote.
Hopefully all townies vote for him, and he's the roleblocker, so I don't die tonight. If he's not..Meh. So it goes...

So even after all of Musc's evidence to vote for you, you don't defend against it with any sound logic, and are now trying to divert our attention to someone else in order to get Apey's eyes off of you? Spiro

Dr Henry · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 6:07 am

Riptide wrote:

Spirographed wrote:

Welp. At this point I don't have it in me to keep repeating myself. I was going to go back and quote everything I've had to repeat, and your INCESSANT beating of a dead horse, but alas... It doesn't matter anymore.
I failed as a Doctor by selfishly self-protecting the first couple Nights, because I arrogantly thought I'd be an early target and cleared. I also thought the Detective would say something...anything before he died, so I could protect him. Oh, well.

What I have done is this: I've gone back and read our entire Day 2 and 3 and what I've come up with is that Thr and Ape are Town. Ape and I are two stubborn Town folk, BOTH grasping at straws, because of a pride that has no place in this game. I am still wary of Dr. Henry, though. Who I now think the best bet of being a mafia member issssssss SparkyAMS.

He is WAY to non-chalant/un-explanitory/weird wording with his vote.
Hopefully all townies vote for him, and he's the roleblocker, so I don't die tonight. If he's not..Meh. So it goes...

So even after all of Musc's evidence to vote for you, you don't defend against it with any sound logic, and are now trying to divert our attention to someone else in order to get Apey's eyes off of you? Spiro

Pretty sure you just voted for the claimed doctor :roll:

at the very least, without a counter-claim, you just don't do that.

Not going to lie, I am now very confused.

1) Market - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 1 - Nothing to say about this really...
2) Dr Henry - I know I'm town, but the argument yesterday with Lander left me wide open to being framed. As yet I am unsure whether certain people such as Thr actually think I'm mafia or not because of the nature of the vote-switching so far, but I know I am town.
3) Thr - His "I voted for Dr Henry as a trap for the mafia" thing strikes me as very odd. I think it could be more of a case of knowing he was in the wrong and trying to backtrack and look like it was his plan from the start. Still trying to fathom whether this is because he is a misguided town, or a mafia trying to divert our attention anywhere but himself.
4) Lander - Town Detective - Killed Night 2 - We have no way to know what his N1 investigation was, assuming he wasn't roleblocked, but I know it wasn't me.
5) Spiro - Claimed doctor. Before the claim, he expected me to vote for him, but despite pushing extremely hard for a lynch on Ape, I just didn't see him as mafia.
6) Sighence - Silent, yet a veteran. Signed up for the last game without contributing, done the same today. I honestly think he is mafia.
7) Riptide - Asides from just voting for the claimed doctor, which is just silly from town or mafia, he strikes me as town at the moment. Nothing has really persuaded me otherwise so far.

Muscular Ape - I just am not seeing what you guys are seeing that makes you think he is mafia. As for us being paired, I assure you it is through nothing else than both being like-minded townfolk who can see through the mafia's vain attempts to get either of us lynched.
9) SparkyAMS - His first vote of the day for Ape seemed scummy. His follow-up posts have just increased it. The whole 'help me and Spiro in our noble cause' bit screamed "LET'S JOIN ON WITH A TOWN AND GET HIM LYNCHED WHEN I APPEAR MAFIA" to me. Appealing to Thr in the same way, whilst trying to brush Sighence's inactivity under the radar.

So to summarise, my bet on the two mafia right now is Sparky and Monk. Since nobody else seems willing to vote for Monk today, I will switch to the other option and hope we get a lynch.

Muscular Ape · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 6:26 am

Well the doctor claim has certainly thrown a spanner into the works. This day phase and night phase will be extremely telling now with that revelation...

There's still something unsettling about Spiro for me. I know he claims doctor but something just isn't sitting right. Maybe it's because I had this feeling that someone else was the doctor (not going to name them for obvious reasons, that is in case I'm right!). Of course, it's nothing more than a feeling. And no, not Dr Henry.

Anyway, I agree with the Sparky lynch. I said I was suspicious of Sparky & Spiro, and obviously the doctor claim is enough to swing it the other way.

Sparky

Riptide · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 6:41 am

Dr Henry wrote:

Riptide wrote:

Spirographed wrote:

Welp. At this point I don't have it in me to keep repeating myself. I was going to go back and quote everything I've had to repeat, and your INCESSANT beating of a dead horse, but alas... It doesn't matter anymore.
I failed as a Doctor by selfishly self-protecting the first couple Nights, because I arrogantly thought I'd be an early target and cleared. I also thought the Detective would say something...anything before he died, so I could protect him. Oh, well.

What I have done is this: I've gone back and read our entire Day 2 and 3 and what I've come up with is that Thr and Ape are Town. Ape and I are two stubborn Town folk, BOTH grasping at straws, because of a pride that has no place in this game. I am still wary of Dr. Henry, though. Who I now think the best bet of being a mafia member issssssss SparkyAMS.

He is WAY to non-chalant/un-explanitory/weird wording with his vote.
Hopefully all townies vote for him, and he's the roleblocker, so I don't die tonight. If he's not..Meh. So it goes...

So even after all of Musc's evidence to vote for you, you don't defend against it with any sound logic, and are now trying to divert our attention to someone else in order to get Apey's eyes off of you? Spiro

Pretty sure you just voted for the claimed doctor :roll:

at the very least, without a counter-claim, you just don't do that.

Not going to lie, I am now very confused.

Woops. Completely spaced while writing that and didn't even notice the doctor claim.

Unvote.

Thr · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 7:49 am

Taking in Spiros doctor claim, and Sparkys... Everything Sparky

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 9:07 am

End of Day 3

With a roleclaim afoot, the villagers were finally able to muster a decisive vote. SparkyAMS, with four votes to his name, was sent to the gallows to die by the hangman’s noose. After the deed was done, his house and belongings were searched. Unfortunately for the village, nothing mafia-esque was discovered. Alas, he was but a Vanilla Townie.

Start of Night 3 – Night Roles: you have 36 hours (3am Thursday 5 Feb)

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 6:25 pm

End of Night Three

The villagers awoke the next morning to the now customary missing person’s inquiry. Spirographed was found dead in his house, clearly a murder by the mafia’s hands. Amongst his belongings was an NHS card, a stethoscope and a set of scrubs. It would seem that not even free healthcare could save the Town Doctor.

Start of Day Four– 5 players remain (3 votes to lynch) - You have 72 hours

Dr Henry · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 6:35 pm

Sighence

This has gone on long enough. People being afraid to kill off inactives is exactly why mafia choose to go inactive, so they get a free pass and we end up in this position.

Muscular Ape · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 6:37 pm

Okay, that is pretty much what I suspected to happen. Unfortunately, that sucks big time because if anyone but myself or Spiro had been killed I would have been 99% confident of at least one mafia member.

With that being said, it's time to go balls deep and lay out what I have on the table.

Whilst waiting for the update (I saw Aragorn was online hehe) I have gone back through the thread and checked numerous things; post counts, who's voted for who, and who's defended who and most importantly, who's avoided who.

Under the assumption that it is highly unlikely for one mafia member to cast suspicion on the other, let alone actually vote for the other member, I have come up with several possible mafia combinations. These combinations probably also work under the assumption that nobody has made some extremely ballsy moves (best example: Dr Henry killing Lander). This is also under the assumption that I am town which I obviously respect is not a given to anyone besides myself. I will add my own possible combinations (although you may feel more comfortable doing it yourself to ensure I'm not fibbing/misrepresenting!). Anyway, here they are:

1. Dr Henry & Riptide. Haven't voted for each other, haven't said a bad word about each other and in fact have defended each other at times.
2. Thr & Monk. Thr has avoided mentioning anything about Monk like the plague. Monk has said nothing which does not help.
3. Riptide & Thr. For 2 relatively active people, these guys have also avoided mentioning anything about each other.

Now, you will notice that Thr & Riptide both appear twice. Thr has been extremely active (most posts at 20) yet has nothing to say on these two players. Riptide has completely flown under everyone's radar, and two suspects haven't mentioned him.

Conclusion? I think Thr is mafia, with either Riptide or Monk being his companion; it's very hard to tell due to the lack of input from Monk.

Thr

As for my own combinations which you may want to check, I have defended Henry at some point, I was pretty meh about Monk, I have really had nothing to say about Riptide and Thr... until now. They are now my two prime suspects and I think the best decision is to lynch one of them. Thr first and foremost due to his activity and avoidance of Monk & Riptide.

For some further information on what I'm basing my opinion on...

Removed combinations

1. Dr Henry & Thr. Thr went pretty hard for Dr Henry (vote included) even if he changed his mind. Dr Henry cast doubt onto Thr due to this change of mind. Not work the risk, imo.
2. Dr Henry & Monk. Dr Henry has been going after Monk pretty hard (vote included) and for a fair chunk of the game. That would make no sense to me if they are paired.
3. Riptide & Monk. Riptide went after Monk (vote included) earlier in the game.

Post counts of Alive players up to the end of Day 3

Thr 20
Ape 17
Dr Henry 10
Riptide 10
Monk 2

Muscular Ape · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 6:43 pm

Actually, I'm going to Unvote for now for two reasons:

1) With three to lynch and two mafia alive, they could hammer someone without the rest of us getting much of a say.
2) With respect to 1), I have to go out later this afternoon and don't want to come back to find I've inadvertently given mafia the game due to my vote!

I want to re-enforce my suspicion of Thr & Riptide first and foremost though and guarantee the only reason I'm changing my vote is the 2 points above.

Dr Henry · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 6:45 pm

So you are choosing Thr over Monk?

I've not said anything about either you or Riptide as I don't see you two as mafia.

That does leave Thr and Monk as the pairing, and I voted for Monk expecting Thr to jump straight onto it, which would confirm my thoughts for the final day, leaving either myself and one of you two left to lynch him, or the two of you left to lynch him.

I just don't want the final day to be Monk and two others, with Monk suddenly returning to activity with some lame excuse which suckers one of you to vote for the other.

Ignoring Thr at this point, I'd like to hear from Riptide, see where he stands.

EDIT (cos of da ninja): I'd unvote too, but don't unless you or Riptide have pulled an absolute blinder as a mafia, I don't see how Thr and you/him could hammer Monk. I saw you lurking, and was sat refreshing waiting to submit my own unvote if you jumped straight onto Monk waiting for the second mafia to hammer. Your vote-splitting to Thr has all-but-confirmed you in my eyes.

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 6:47 pm

Just a light reminder of rule 8 guys. Double/Triple post if necessary.

Dr Henry · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 6:57 pm

Aragorn Ix wrote:

Just a light reminder of rule 8 guys. Double/Triple post if necessary.

I didn't actually edit my post :facepalm:

Aragorn Ix · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 6:58 pm

Dr Henry wrote:

Aragorn Ix wrote:

Just a light reminder of rule 8 guys. Double/Triple post if necessary.

I didn't actually edit my post :facepalm:

Oh, my mistake. Ignore that then.

Muscular Ape · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 7:23 pm

Dr Henry wrote:

So you are choosing Thr over Monk?

Actually, what I'm essentially doing is choosing Monk over you. Thr & Riptide appear in two different combinations of what I personally consider possible.

I am finding it pretty hard to read people, this being my first game here. Hence the fails of Spiro and Sparky being town (in my defence, Sparky was suspicious as hell).

I'm relying on the numbers mostly, with intuition second.

So with Thr & Riptide appearing twice, it's a better chance that one of them are mafia than you or Monk. The question then becomes (for me), who of Thr or Riptide? It's important to note that both of them being together is one of the options, but besides each other, the only options I have down are you & Riptide, or Thr & Monk. So when I'm voting for Thr over Riptide, I'm essentially in part saying "I think Monk is more likely mafia than Dr Henry at this stage". The rest of the consideration is a straight Thr vs Riptide.

Lynching Monk first is risky from a chance point of view because I believe there's only really one possible combination he is a part of.

Dr Henry wrote:

I just don't want the final day to be Monk and two others, with Monk suddenly returning to activity with some lame excuse which suckers one of you to vote for the other.

I understand this concern. If this lynch is wrong it will be the final day. I think even if it's right it will be my final day. Assuming this lynch is successful, killing anyone but me will make it obvious who the last mafia is. That's the main reason why I've cast all my suspicions/thoughts now rather than just a few.

I'm still leaning towards Thr more than anyone else, for various reasons, as I'll outline succinctly here:

1) He has been the most active player since Day 2, yet has not been killed.
2) He appears in two possible combinations where he has outright ignored/avoided any discussion about both his companions
3) I suspect Monk is mafia more than I suspect Dr Henry (probably what tips the ledger here)
4) While what he did would still make sense from a town perspective, the chip-chop changing of votes earlier was rather odd.

Dr Henry · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 7:32 pm

You make a very good point about how Thr has downright ignored any link with Riptide OR Monk. I don't think he has responded to Riptide's few posts at all, and every suggestion I make towards Monk's alignment gets ignored too.

unvote also seems pretty clear that Monk isn't getting lynched today. Hope it doesn't lead us to trouble.

Muscular Ape · **Posted:** February 5th, 2014, 7:37 pm

For further clarification, the above musings don't include Day 1 votes. They mean little to me as Day 1 is fun time. I would, however, go as far as to say that that would be the most likely time for mafia to vote for each other. In that sense, only Riptide voted for Thr from the above combinations.

I'm really tempted to just vote Thr and be done with it.

We are in a pretty troubling position though. If Thr is indeed mafia, I think he is paired with either Monk & Riptide, meaning if you and I both agreed to lynch Thr, we'd need one of them to jump on board. Highly unlikely that Monk will, and what if Thr is aligned with Riptide? Then it just won't happen at all.

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