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 Post subject: Re: A Mafia Story. Day *AHEM* Three: an uphill battle
PostPosted: June 19th, 2013, 1:35 pm 
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Turns out i was thinking of the 'Stalker' role, which is a Mafia role, so unless Topsummoner was a 3rd Party Stalker, and investigated Penguinguy to find him being 'Mafia' because he's a Miller so would give such a reading. Claim to be detective and call Penguinguy a Mafia (which he thought he was), Topsummoner thinks if Penguinguy is shown to be Mafia he'll be seen as the towns detective and ultimately survive until the end unquestioned and win as the 3rd Party.

The logic makes sense, i just don't know about the likelihood of it.

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 Post subject: Re: A Mafia Story. Day *AHEM* Three: an uphill battle
PostPosted: June 19th, 2013, 1:53 pm 
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I agree with Godders.

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 Post subject: Re: A Mafia Story. Day *AHEM* Three: an uphill battle
PostPosted: June 19th, 2013, 3:08 pm 
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Votes for Topsummoner: Kikori, SparkyAMS, Sayaka, Aragorn, Market, and Topsummoner.

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"Because he's crazy, that's why. So with the majority deciding this clown had to die, we dragged him to the gallows. The whole thing was a little unsettling because he didn't seem worried at all. In fact, he pulled a jokebook from his coat pocket and read aloud, as the noose was being lowered: 'Two muffins in an oven. One says to the other, is it hot in here or is-' And the trapdoor gave way."

"There was nothing on our person besides the book to give any clue who he was, so we went to his house and we found volumes of joke books, a weird hat with bells on it which seemed to be part of a costume...a Jester's costume."

"So us, being extra peeved that THIS was thrown at us on top of a gang of mafiosos, we went to bed both fearful and hopeful that the next day would produce some results."

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Day three ends, night three begins. All applicable night actions may now be sent. The night will end after all relevant PMs have been received, or sometime Friday.

Also, by being lynched as a Jester, Topsummoner has met his win condition and has preemptively won the game.

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 Post subject: Re: A Mafia Story. Night three: for whom the jester bells ti
PostPosted: June 21st, 2013, 9:43 pm 
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"So once more, we all got up and went to the town square. And once more, someone was missing. It was Scar. So, as usual, we went to his house and found nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing pointing to the fact that he was scum, and nothing pointing to the fact that he was anyone special amongst the town."

"It appeared that we had a lot of work to do."

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 Post subject: Re: A Mafia Story. Day Four: Another innocent man dead
PostPosted: June 21st, 2013, 11:58 pm 
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Well, im specifically withholding my vote. I dont want to vote with haste and then have it get piled on. But I do want to get aragorns attention. Whats going on? Why are you so uncharacteristically quiet? What are your thoughts on the game so far?

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 Post subject: Re: A Mafia Story. Day Four: Another innocent man dead
PostPosted: June 22nd, 2013, 12:42 am 
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Well, im specifically withholding my vote. I dont want to vote with haste and then have it get piled on. But I do want to get aragorns attention. Whats going on? Why are you so uncharacteristically quiet? What are your thoughts on the game so far?


One thing i have noticed in previous Mafia game's with Aragorn is that when he is Mafia he tends to be a lot more vocal. That isn't to say that he isn't Mafia this time, but it is more likely he has a lot more stuff going on irl.

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 Post subject: Re: A Mafia Story. Day Four: Another innocent man dead
PostPosted: June 22nd, 2013, 3:30 am 
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Well, im specifically withholding my vote. I dont want to vote with haste and then have it get piled on. But I do want to get aragorns attention. Whats going on? Why are you so uncharacteristically quiet? What are your thoughts on the game so far?


One thing i have noticed in previous Mafia game's with Aragorn is that when he is Mafia he tends to be a lot more vocal. That isn't to say that he isn't Mafia this time, but it is more likely he has a lot more stuff going on irl.


I've just moved back from uni and I'm still sorting everything out so it's tough getting online as often as I'd like.

I really have no idea what to make of all this, was really not expecting a jester and a miller in the same game.

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PostPosted: June 22nd, 2013, 10:26 am 
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I personally expect it to be balanced by a low Mafia count. We've got a role that risks appearing Mafia, and one that WANTS to die (and is infamous for doing so by the Mafia's hand in a LYLO day to ensure his victory while giving the Mafia its own). Seems odd that it's not balanced by the presence of a Vigilante or Jack of all Trades (yet?).

If this is true, I personally expect few Mafia were on board with Top's lynch. A role that wants to die means a day can be wasted with villagers arguing with each other about who to lynch and trying to pile up on the Jester to do it. Godders not hammering in the vote while actively trying to defend Top's claim of Detective in a pretty twisted way stands out to me.

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PostPosted: June 22nd, 2013, 2:02 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: A Mafia Story. Day Four: Another innocent man dead
PostPosted: June 22nd, 2013, 3:32 pm 
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Kikori wrote:
I personally expect it to be balanced by a low Mafia count. We've got a role that risks appearing Mafia, and one that WANTS to die (and is infamous for doing so by the Mafia's hand in a LYLO day to ensure his victory while giving the Mafia its own). Seems odd that it's not balanced by the presence of a Vigilante or Jack of all Trades (yet?).

If this is true, I personally expect few Mafia were on board with Top's lynch. A role that wants to die means a day can be wasted with villagers arguing with each other about who to lynch and trying to pile up on the Jester to do it. Godders not hammering in the vote while actively trying to defend Top's claim of Detective in a pretty twisted way stands out to me.


I would like to say i was the only person not to vote for Penguinguy, and i did defend him (really badly, like almost non-existent). And I didn't think Topsummoner was Mafia, so i didn't vote for him, i thought if he was a Jester, then by voting for him, then he might win and end the game, i wasn't aware it carried on regardless.

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 Post subject: Re: A Mafia Story. Day Four: Another innocent man dead
PostPosted: June 22nd, 2013, 7:45 pm 
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Kikori, at this point I dont agree with you. Im not believing godders is mafia.

Hey jaron! I know you have been having some fun, but do you have any theories as to who you would vote for?

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PostPosted: June 22nd, 2013, 11:28 pm 
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Kikori, at this point I dont agree with you. Im not believing godders is mafia.


Because...? His stunning good looks? Or something substantial?

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PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 12:20 am 
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Kisuke was caught in the corner of his eye, but he could not tell what was becoming of him. It was... over. Black Mage tumbled to the ground, still alive, but slowly dying.

The ground around him turned red and swirly. And hot. A large skeletal hand broke through it and grabbed Black Mage. The voice of Lich spoke. "I told you... death is but a door, time is but a window. And I DID come back."

And with that, the hand pulled Black Mage under to Hell, leaving his hat alone in the battle-torn gray street.

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With Black Mage's final attack and Yuki's manipulation, all three of the final contenders perished, leaving no one in the empty, grey Closed Space. The area was like a kilometer-wide dome, not quite replacing the real city yet existing just like it. At the very top of the dome, a crack appeared, shooting sunlight straight down to the center of the city below.

The crack vanished as time seemed to rewind. None of that had truly happened. The Closed Space still existed.

UPDATE Black Mage Evilwizardington STATUS Deceased (Jester)
UPDATE Scar STATUS Deceased (Villager)
DISPLAY USERLIST

ID 00001 | NAME Sasori | STATUS Active
ID 00100 | NAME Black Mage Evilwizardington | STATUS Deceased
ID 10000 | NAME Yuki Nagato | STATUS Active
ID 10010 | NAME Aragorn Ix | STATUS Active
ID 10011 | NAME Market Man6 | STATUS Active
ID 10100 | NAME Dr Henry | STATUS Deceased
ID 10101 | NAME Godders | STATUS Active
ID 10110 | NAME Jackstick | STATUS Deceased
ID 10111 | NAME PenguinGuy | STATUS Deceased
ID 11000 | NAME Paidea | STATUS Active
ID 11001 | NAME Scar | STATUS Deceased
ID 11010 | NAME Ex Rex | STATUS Deprecated
ID 11011 | NAME SparkyAMS | STATUS Active
ID 11100 | NAME Kikori | STATUS Active

LIST REMAINING PLAYERS

Sasori
Yuki Nagato
Aragorn Ix
Market Man6
Godders
Paidea
SparkyAMS
Kikori

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"ID 00100 - Black Mage Evilwizardington - Deceased
Was obviously not a Detective of any sort, but was not expected in any scenario to be a Jester. Game host Landerpurex promised a vanilla game with 'VANILLA' in capital letters in a previous topic to emphasize his annoyance with previous overcomplicated variants. Retrieving direct quote from sign-up topic:
Landerpurex wrote:
I promised a normal game and so shall it be normal. Mostly. There may be a few roles that we haven't seen in some time, but there is no secret mechanic or totally made up roles.
Introduction of both Miller AND Jester roles into game suggests that Landerpurex's notion of a 'VANILLA' game may still contain many uncommon roles, i.e., Jester, Miller, Framer, Insane Detective, etc. These roles were apparently hinted at but still, on the large, unexpected. Due to unpredictability of scenario, future guesses about any and all roles currently in or not in this game will be entirely suspended."

"ID 11001 - Scar - Deceased
Was quite a bit quieter than normal. Claimed to 'forget about the game'. One must wonder if his death was a result of the Mafia gunning for the unused Villager-aligned role game host Landerpurex mentioned after Night 1. If this ends up being the case, I would like to raise a complaint regarding game host actions swaying decisions made during the game. Scar seemed to provide no other useful information."

"ID 00001 - Sasori - Active
No current opinion of player. Has quoted Dr. Horrible lyrics so can't be all that bad. Adequate Dark Souls co-operative companion. Unclear if he realizes he is Sasori.
Suspicion level: LOW - Has not given enough data to draw any semi-valid conclusions."

"ID 10010 - Aragorn Ix - Active
Seems quieter than normal. Used claim of inability to often connect to the Internet as excuse for low activity. Claimed that the appearance of a Jester and Miller in an otherwise 'normal' game has thrown him off-guard. While one can relate to this plight, it is imperative that this confusion does not stop him from placing any vote whatsoever, lest he become dead weight and give the Mafia an easy win.
Suspicion level: MODERATE - Claim of confusion could be used as easy excuse to become inactive in future."

"ID 10011 - Market Man6 - Active
Has been playing well, both helpful and smartly. Active without being overactive.
Suspicion level: LOW - Current logical conclusions deduce Market Man6 to be a Villager."

"ID 10101 - Godders - Active
Has been seemingly overactive for player's natural style but otherwise has not been doing things that are normally classified as 'scumtells'. I hypothesize him to be hiding something.
Suspicion level: MODERATE - Too unclear if overposting is a playstyle shift or nervous activity."

"ID 11000 - Paidea - Active
The trending of recent games puts Paidea's overall post count at very low. Normal playstyle has been to come in at a late-game stage with various conclusions, only about 33% of which are generally correct.
Suspicion level: LOW - Has not given enough data to draw any semi-valid conclusions."

"ID 11011 - SparkyAMS - Active
Appears to post roughly once per day with his own drawn conclusions. Never posts enough of his own thoughts and opinions to allow contractions in his testimony to surface. Enjoys Phoenix Wright and will probably get a kick out of the previous sentence.
Suspicion level: LOW - Has not given enough data to draw any semi-valid conclusions. However, this appears to be normal for this player, and thus he may be being overlooked."

"ID 11100 - Kikori - Active
Normal post count ratio for player, but gives sense of unease. The second-most-recent post by Kikori introduced points that I wish to investigate further:
  • After Miller and Jester roles appeared in a 'VANILLA' game, this user still 'expects' certain things out of this setup. Furthermore, this expectation is of a 'low Mafia count'. What comprises a 'low Mafia count'? Two Mafiosos? Three? If this game has three, then a failed lynch today and an unprotected nightkill tonight will result in a game loss for the Village, as well as the replacement of reality with Closed Space. Is Kikori trying to downplay a coined 'LYLO' situation by saying the Mafia count may actually be lower?
  • His second paragraph seems to heavily imply that the Mafia faction would have known that Black Mage Evilwizardington was a Jester and didn't mind 'piling up on the Jester' to 'waste a day'. What self-respecting Mafia faction would purposefully fulfill someone else's win condition over his own? This does not appear to add up.
Unfortunately, as Ex Rex was replaced by Kikori mid-game, we are unable to draw upon Kikori's Day 1 and 2 posts as evidence, except that he did not pay enough attention to the game and confused the two phases. Therefore, my former previous suspicion of Ex Rex must also be attributed to Kikori, who inherited his role.
Suspicion level: ELEVATED - Has been voted for by Sasori, and is my current prime candidate for a vote as well."

As Market Man6 has done, I will withhold my vote until more discussion has occurred.

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 Post subject: Re: A Mafia Story. Day Four: Another innocent man dead
PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 12:57 pm 
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Naw, his good looks dont have anything to do with it. Feel free to call it a hunch, if you would like. But its my read of him. I am leaning towards him being a villager based on how he is speaking. The way he is saying things isnt alarming to me.

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Naw, his good looks dont have anything to do with it.


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PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 1:54 pm 
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There are 8 surviving people.

It should only take, what? 4 votes for a lynch now?

Assuming there are 3 mafia... If Kikori wasn't mafia, they could have all just ganged up on my vote for him and taken the victory. That's all it takes, is one villager to make the wrong vote and for the mafia to swoop in and jump on it.

Make note of what I say here. The mafia members are Paidea, Sparky, and Kikori.

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PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 2:35 pm 
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There are 8 surviving people.

It should only take, what? 4 votes for a lynch now?

Assuming there are 3 mafia... If Kikori wasn't mafia, they could have all just ganged up on my vote for him and taken the victory. That's all it takes, is one villager to make the wrong vote and for the mafia to swoop in and jump on it.

Make note of what I say here. The mafia members are Paidea, Sparky, and Kikori.


Lander actually stated:

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Eight players remain, five votes to lynch. Day phase ends about this time monday or once a lynch is obtained.
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PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 7:00 pm 
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There are 8 surviving people.

It should only take, what? 4 votes for a lynch now?

Assuming there are 3 mafia... If Kikori wasn't mafia, they could have all just ganged up on my vote for him and taken the victory. That's all it takes, is one villager to make the wrong vote and for the mafia to swoop in and jump on it.

Make note of what I say here. The mafia members are Paidea, Sparky, and Kikori.


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Eight players remain, five votes to lynch.

It also relies on the idea that you're a Villager. Assume for argument's sake you're Mafia, and you're right about there being three of them. 1/4 votes on me, where the Mafia can only achieve 3/4 the votes. You'd need to get someone else to follow you into the vote to set it up for the rest of the Mafia to hammer in on.

Kind of a big deal to try to paint that kind of picture of yourself on the sly while mistakenly (and I'm being generous in calling your train of thought a mistake) attempting to establish the voting trend of the Mafia. :glare:

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PostPosted: June 23rd, 2013, 8:16 pm 
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Shows how well I read.

Unfortunately, with a 5 villager to 3 mafia stand and needing 5 votes to lynch, we likely won't be able to lynch anyone that is a mafia member unless every single non-mafia cooperates. Assuming Aragorn is a villager, we're rather boned since his activity is practically null.

The only person we'll see lynched today unless we get full cooperation, is a villager. Yet if we don't lynch a mafia tonight the game is as good as over once night phase hits and they drag us down to a 4 to 3 ratio.

That being said I'm not entirely set on my 3. Paidea and Jaron are on interchangeable ground right now. Yet, Jaron has been so pre-occupied doing things away from his computer that I have a hard time believing he has a night role that would require group communication. Meanwhile, Paidea is usually more invested in Mafia than this. My suspicion with him is simply his lack of posting. Considering Lander was so quick to threaten to switch out a person in the game if they were inactive yet we've seen nothing happen to Paidea, I'm left to suspect that he IS being active during the night phase.

Sparky is also oddly inactive considering he's always been VERY active in games and activities around here. I'm lead to believe he's more active than he displays. I firmly believe he also has a night phase role.

Kikori simply inherits my suspicions from Ex Rex. If Aragorn can continue without having internet then why should Ex Rex pull out and be replaced? It comes down to one being a body that helps keep it fair for the villagers side and another having a more active roll that needed two hands.

Then we have the fact that Kikori was all for killing Top despite thinking he was a Jester (which was so overly apparent after his extremely early detective claim). Kikori is the type of user that would be okay with getting rid of a Jester because to him it still counts as winning if his faction wins. Yet, why not keep him alive to help the villagers outnumber the mafia? You wanted him gone because you wanted to decrease the number of villagers. Furthermore this same event reduces my suspicion on Paidea, but I'm still holding firm on it. Paidea seems like the type that would suspect that Top was jester from the detective claim. I would think he'd have him taken out during the night phase to remove his win condition. It was Top being spared that made me start to suspect Jaron in Paidea's place. Regardless, I have no intention of voting for anyone else until Kikori is dead. You're the one I'm the most sure of and I'd rather take out a sure thing than risk an uncertainty.

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