Mafia X. Mafia Win!

Topsummoner · **Posted:** March 4th, 2012, 8:03 pm

Also: smooth Tahu, accusing Dale of the thing you proceeded to do at the end of your post.

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Dale, while it generally is good to try and vote for a lynch each day (except Day 1), you don't just want to vote for whomever has the most votes. A good quarter of the players in each game are generally scum, so it's not unlikely that some, if not all, of those votes are scum voting for a player they know isn't scum. At this point, we've got a likely three possible scum votes to contend with, which is almost half the number required to lynch; it's generally easy for scum to jump on a lynch bandwagon without looking too suspicious, and the sort of behavior you're saying you intend to participate in is good for getting townies lynched. You should judge everyone by your own means and then vote for who you honestly think is scummiest.

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Speaking of scum and votes, after Scar's OMGUS vote, Lander's plethora of good points, and Top's observation that we essentially need every active vote to lynch someone at this point, I'm going to have to go ahead and throw my weight behind the Scar train, as it's our only actual chance of getting something done today.

Tahu1000, any words for this hypocrisy?

Godders · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 1:29 am

I'll ask again, Jackstick and Riptide

n00b 4 m1nin wrote:

what are your reasons for voting for me?

I asked 2 days ago...

Tahu 1000 · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 7:08 am

Topsummoner wrote:

Also: smooth Tahu, accusing Dale of the thing you proceeded to do at the end of your post.

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Dale, while it generally is good to try and vote for a lynch each day (except Day 1), you don't just want to vote for whomever has the most votes. A good quarter of the players in each game are generally scum, so it's not unlikely that some, if not all, of those votes are scum voting for a player they know isn't scum. At this point, we've got a likely three possible scum votes to contend with, which is almost half the number required to lynch; it's generally easy for scum to jump on a lynch bandwagon without looking too suspicious, and the sort of behavior you're saying you intend to participate in is good for getting townies lynched. You should judge everyone by your own means and then vote for who you honestly think is scummiest.

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Speaking of scum and votes, after Scar's OMGUS vote, Lander's plethora of good points, and Top's observation that we essentially need every active vote to lynch someone at this point, I'm going to have to go ahead and throw my weight behind the Scar train, as it's our only actual chance of getting something done today.

Tahu1000, any words for this hypocrisy?

Bolded for emphasis. Both Lander and you have convinced me that voting for Scar is int he best interests of the town, and while I admit bandwagoning can be scummy, we're not going to get a lynch today without it. Also, I may have worded the italicized portion poorly; not sure if a single vote constitutes a train. If I was participating in the "vote for whomever has the highest votes" behavior that I was warning Dale against, I'd have voted for N00b.

Market Man6 · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 11:36 am

n00b 4 m1nin wrote:

I'll ask again, Jackstick and Riptide

n00b 4 m1nin wrote:

what are your reasons for voting for me?

I asked 2 days ago...

Ex rex voted for you too. Why didn't you call for him to explain?
Seems odd.

Godders · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 11:39 am

Market Man6 wrote:

n00b 4 m1nin wrote:

I'll ask again, Jackstick and Riptide

n00b 4 m1nin wrote:

what are your reasons for voting for me?

I asked 2 days ago...

Ex rex voted for you too. Why didn't you call for him to explain?
Seems odd.

Because he stated his reason, i stole his cake (he really said something the day before, but i just don't even know anymore).

Godders · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 11:47 am

n00b 4 m1nin wrote:

Market Man6 wrote:

n00b 4 m1nin wrote:

I'll ask again, Jackstick and Riptide

n00b 4 m1nin wrote:

what are your reasons for voting for me?

I asked 2 days ago...

Ex rex voted for you too. Why didn't you call for him to explain?
Seems odd.

Because he stated his reason, i stole his cake (he really said something the day before, but i just don't even know anymore).

I'm quite disappointed in Jackstick, all he has done is vote for 2 people; me and Dale and left a reason as to why he has done it, and when questioned about his actions he doesn't respond.

I know he isn't a particularly active player, but it's getting ridiculous; it's been 2 1/2 days now. :grr:

Market Man6 · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 12:17 pm

Unless something big happens betewen now and 2 o clock, I don't think I will be voting today.

The lander/scar argument didn't sway me. I was SLIGHTLY leaning towards landers side, but that was just cause he seems to be more aggressive/ better debater than scar. But since neither had rock solid points, I will not vote for either.

I am largely unsure why animal voted for dale.

N00b seems to have 3 votes on him right now. Some which don't have reasons... Even after being called out to explain themselves.

Ranger-im waiting for his follow up response. He left me hanging with 'ill reply in 2-3hours, once I'm home'. I'm curious what he has to say.

Now I have to work. But if I die throughout this night. That doctor better flippin save me

Godders · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 12:23 pm

Market Man6 wrote:

I am largely unsure why animal voted for dale.

Because Dale said he would train vote, which shouldn't happen unless there is a rock solid case for someone to be lynched.

Riptide · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 6:00 pm

Oh woops, I totally forgot about my vote on you, Noob.

Unvote

Kikori · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 7:22 pm

Seven of twelve people with a vote, everyone having made a post, activity? This calls for arbitrary intervention.

The discussion was winding down, but was still loud enough to matter. Opinions were strong, fingers were cast, and the suspicions were finally made. A clock chimed six times... The crew turned their heads to examine the clock. n00b 4 m1nin's nervousness at being under fire seemed to relieve a little... It was now midnight. The normal time to retire for everyone. However, in frustration of no results and a distaste for the clock's ring, Topsummoner took a handy crowbar and laid waste to the ringing instrument.
Clocks destroyed: 1002/1000
With the factor of time removed, the crew agreed. "Two more hours. Let's try to get something done, tonight." (This rushed decision put a glum look on Ex Rex's face; pre-midnight snack time was now being cut into.
Arbitrary Host Decision: Day Two has been extended by Two (2) more days. Day Two now ends Wednesday, March 07, at 2:00 pm.

Market Man6 · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 7:32 pm

sounds like someone has to die today.

who should it be?
and WHY!

Jackstick · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 9:30 pm

*Sigh* In that case, I'll just come out and say it.

I'm the Nocturnal Detective. The evidence I gathered from my investigations have lead me to believe that Market Man6 is mafia.

Scar · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 9:44 pm

Sorry for the inactivity everyone, had a large presentation this morning and a Progress Review to prepare for tomorrow. I will be responding to any posts directed at me around noon tomorrow EST.

Market Man6 · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 10:04 pm

Jackstick wrote:

*Sigh* In that case, I'll just come out and say it.

I'm the Nocturnal Detective. The evidence I gathered from my investigations have lead me to believe that Market Man6 is mafia.

you investigated me first :twisted:

awesome. you didnt have a clue about me or my playing style.

so, since we are on the same team. who do you think we should we kill jack?

DaleX99s · **Posted:** March 5th, 2012, 10:36 pm

Jackstick wrote:

*Sigh* In that case, I'll just come out and say it.

I'm the Nocturnal Detective. The evidence I gathered from my investigations have lead me to believe that Market Man6 is mafia.

Market Man6 for this reason. What if you are Paranoid,,,GG MM6.

Ex Rex · **Posted:** March 6th, 2012, 11:54 am

Jackstick wrote:

*Sigh* In that case, I'll just come out and say it.

I'm the Nocturnal Detective. The evidence I gathered from my investigations have lead me to believe that Market Man6 is mafia.

But...Mafia are the good guys in this game. Renegades are the scum.

As for n00b, I already stated he stole my goddamn cake and it's my personal belief that he's a communist and hates babies. Obviously, he needs to die.

Godders · **Posted:** March 6th, 2012, 12:11 pm

Ex Rex wrote:

Jackstick wrote:

*Sigh* In that case, I'll just come out and say it.

I'm the Nocturnal Detective. The evidence I gathered from my investigations have lead me to believe that Market Man6 is mafia.

But...Mafia are the good guys in this game. Renegades are the scum.

As for n00b, I already stated he stole my goddamn cake and it's my personal belief that he's a communist and hates babies. Obviously, he needs to die.

I'm not communist, and babies are quite loud, but as for your cake it was in the fridge, making it fair game for anyone who wants it.

Scar · **Posted:** March 6th, 2012, 12:21 pm

rangerpker wrote:

What is your opinion on the Scar and Landerpurex debacle? - The way Scar unvoted for Market without questioning anything seems like he didn't want to bring attention to himself. (I'll do more on this when I get back home)

Ignoring completely that Topsummoner unvoted for the same reasons as I did right?

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Landerpurex wrote:

Scar wrote:

That is a paper thin reason for voting for me at best, things like that are said every game and there has never been any correlation between stating the obvious and people being Scummy.

YES THERE HAS. Did you even read my post? The mafia point out the obvious to make it look like they are contributing more than they are. They do this to 'fluff' their posts. This has happened so many goddamn times that I can't even count them. Tahu1000 when scum comes to mind. An inexperienced Topsummoner comes to mind. Downplaying and wrongfully dismissing key parts of my argument is also scummy.

No, downplaying parts of your argument I don't agree with is called arguing. I'm not saying certain players havn't used it as fluff in the past, I'm saying you can't say that everyone who posts about a few obvious things is for sure scum, Correlation =/= Causation..

Landerpurex wrote:

Scar wrote:

Or, and bear with me here, I unvoted for him because he is potentially a very helpful town role? I also agree Voting patterns are key, but one vote and an unvote doesn't make for a very convincing pattern. I also never voted for Noob so no clue where you are getting that from.

I seem to have made a mistake, and I apologize. It seems you didn't vote for him. That really doesn't make my point any less valid, though.

Landerpurex wrote:

Scar wrote:

Lander, you accuse me of sounding fake but come on, and on top of the ridulousness of your claims against me you are trying to make it seem like a bad thing that I unvoted someone who could be a very helpful member of the town. Have you even looked at what you've typed so far? You've taken small and insignificant pieces of my posts and blown them completely out of proportion in what seems like a poorly executed effort to lynch me.

Landerpurex

And here is the creme de la creme. Perhaps the scummiest thing you could have done. An OMGUS vote? Against ME (/arrogance)? I think you're in over your head, sonny. Let me tell you a little secret of mafia veterans: we will latch on to any little scummy reasons we can, perhaps even paper ones, to create activity and get the accused person (and others) talking. Myself, Kikori, Paidea, topsummoner, and other veterans are famous for this and we do it EVERY GAME. Why? Because it works, as seen here. Though the reasons I cited against you are more solid than most I've used to this end in the past.

Yes I voted for you, call it an OMGUS because on some level it very well may be. But more than that it is because you are pushing such bullshit reasoning against me. And please, Mafia Veterans? I've played multiple games here over the years, you've played a few more than me sure. That fact alone doesn't mean you get a pass when you use the lousy reasonings you have against me so far. The fact you've gone as far as to claim you are some kind of Professional Mafia player to make your reasoning seem more valid is a joke in all honesty.

Landerpurex wrote:

What really alarms me is other experienced players (tahu and top) are still reluctant to vote for you, even after this response and the OMGUS vote. Top, especially, concerns me. Scar is in no real danger of being lynched, and normally it seems to me that Top would contribute his vote to pressure Scar further and perhaps ultimately, be part of the lynch train. The fact that he's acknowledging Scar's scumminess but not voting for him really alarms me. This is yet another mafia tactic, if/when they aren't willing to vote for their own, they acknowledge their brethren's scumminess but don't contribute to the train in the hopes to save them. The ONLY reason I'm not voting for you now is because Scar is far scummier.

The thing that surprises me about you Lander is that in the past you have been a very good player. However you seem to have lost your touch after not playing for so long. You've changed from someone who can "sniff out" any scumtell into someone who is more akin to a McCarthyera Communist hunter. It seems like everything you disagree with is suddenly a scumtell to you.

Riptide · **Posted:** March 6th, 2012, 3:01 pm

Ex Rex wrote:

Jackstick wrote:

*Sigh* In that case, I'll just come out and say it.

I'm the Nocturnal Detective. The evidence I gathered from my investigations have lead me to believe that Market Man6 is mafia.

But...Mafia are the good guys in this game. Renegades are the scum.

Methinks Jack means the Renegades, but since Mafia are the good guys its all a bit confusing.

Topsummoner · **Posted:** March 6th, 2012, 4:21 pm

Tahu 1000 wrote:

Topsummoner wrote:

Also: smooth Tahu, accusing Dale of the thing you proceeded to do at the end of your post.

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Dale, while it generally is good to try and vote for a lynch each day (except Day 1), you don't just want to vote for whomever has the most votes. A good quarter of the players in each game are generally scum, so it's not unlikely that some, if not all, of those votes are scum voting for a player they know isn't scum. At this point, we've got a likely three possible scum votes to contend with, which is almost half the number required to lynch; it's generally easy for scum to jump on a lynch bandwagon without looking too suspicious, and the sort of behavior you're saying you intend to participate in is good for getting townies lynched. You should judge everyone by your own means and then vote for who you honestly think is scummiest.

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Speaking of scum and votes, after Scar's OMGUS vote, Lander's plethora of good points, and Top's observation that we essentially need every active vote to lynch someone at this point, I'm going to have to go ahead and throw my weight behind the Scar train, as it's our only actual chance of getting something done today.

Tahu1000, any words for this hypocrisy?

Bolded for emphasis. Both Lander and you have convinced me that voting for Scar is int he best interests of the town, and while I admit bandwagoning can be scummy, we're not going to get a lynch today without it. Also, I may have worded the italicized portion poorly; not sure if a single vote constitutes a train. If I was participating in the "vote for whomever has the highest votes" behavior that I was warning Dale against, I'd have voted for N00b.

'We're not going to get a lynch today without it' is pretty big talk when you've done nothing to try and remedy this. Two people arguing back and forth will only get so far, other people's contributions should be what leads to a lynch ultimately.

You didn't vote for the person with the most votes, but you did vote for the person with the most solid vote on them.

Jackstick wrote:

I'm the Nocturnal Detective

Dammit Jackstick.

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I am not terribly shocked Jack, Animal, Dale, and Riptide pretty much completely ignored my questions.

Ex Rex, enough jokes from you. Let's see what you have to say.

How do you explain your activity?

What is your opinion on the Scar and Landerpurex debacle?

What do you think of Market's roleclaim?

and more vaguely and broad

Who do you think is mafia and why?

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