Freeasacar wrote:
Rayseima wrote:
Burks wrote:
*stuff*
As much as it may be "morally wrong" to say this, but this is completely true. And the truth hurts.
I guess a huge generalization would be "survival of the fittest". Or in cancer's case, the luckiest (unless you run around nuclear waste...don't do that).
Or, for example, unless you smoke. Giving into the temptation of smoking while knowing it can kill you then dying can be seen as survival of the fittest because of how stupid the decision you made was.
Then on the other hand you have the people that find it near impossible to quit smoking because they've done it all their lives and those who get cancer from second-hand smoke. Not to mention the billions of families that have a history of cancer programmed into their DNA that they or their children will never escape from. It really is all just luck.
Whether or not someone is of value to "society" or not is irrelevant when it comes to life and death. Every human life is equal and if you don't agree with that you're relinquishing your own right to that equality. Don't be so quick to pass out judgement upon others in a world that is entirely subjective.
Also, the Israelis invented the USB Flash Drive so why not a cancer vaccine?
An American invented the Microwave? What's that got to do with a cancer vaccine. It's a completely different thing. I'm quite certain if an American created this vaccine you wouldn't be saying that.
Heh, true. Really it's the only Israeli invention I know of so I just thought I'd mention it.
Statistics: Posted by Freeasacar — November 26th, 2011, 1:11 pm
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Rayseima wrote:
Burks wrote:
*stuff*
As much as it may be "morally wrong" to say this, but this is completely true. And the truth hurts.
I guess a huge generalization would be "survival of the fittest". Or in cancer's case, the luckiest (unless you run around nuclear waste...don't do that).
Or, for example, unless you smoke. Giving into the temptation of smoking while knowing it can kill you then dying can be seen as survival of the fittest because of how stupid the decision you made was.
Then on the other hand you have the people that find it near impossible to quit smoking because they've done it all their lives and those who get cancer from second-hand smoke. Not to mention the billions of families that have a history of cancer programmed into their DNA that they or their children will never escape from. It really is all just luck.
Whether or not someone is of value to "society" or not is irrelevant when it comes to life and death. Every human life is equal and if you don't agree with that you're relinquishing your own right to that equality. Don't be so quick to pass out judgement upon others in a world that is entirely subjective.
Also, the Israelis invented the USB Flash Drive so why not a cancer vaccine?
An American invented the Microwave? What's that got to do with a cancer vaccine. It's a completely different thing. I'm quite certain if an American created this vaccine you wouldn't be saying that.
Statistics: Posted by Rob — November 26th, 2011, 9:46 am
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Burks wrote:
*stuff*
As much as it may be "morally wrong" to say this, but this is completely true. And the truth hurts.
I guess a huge generalization would be "survival of the fittest". Or in cancer's case, the luckiest (unless you run around nuclear waste...don't do that).
Or, for example, unless you smoke. Giving into the temptation of smoking while knowing it can kill you then dying can be seen as survival of the fittest because of how stupid the decision you made was.
Then on the other hand you have the people that find it near impossible to quit smoking because they've done it all their lives and those who get cancer from second-hand smoke. Not to mention the billions of families that have a history of cancer programmed into their DNA that they or their children will never escape from. It really is all just luck.
Whether or not someone is of value to "society" or not is irrelevant when it comes to life and death. Every human life is equal and if you don't agree with that you're relinquishing your own right to that equality. Don't be so quick to pass out judgement upon others in a world that is entirely subjective.
Also, the Israelis invented the USB Flash Drive so why not a cancer vaccine?
Statistics: Posted by Freeasacar — November 25th, 2011, 10:20 pm
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Wow...
I know, why don't we just round up all of the sick/old/poor/stupid people and put them on an island and nuke it. Problem solved.
Bad generalization. The poor who refuse to work towards anything better and simply rely on others to support them - those are the unnecessary drains on society.
Statistics: Posted by Demon — November 25th, 2011, 9:09 pm
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Wow...
I know, why don't we just round up all of the sick/old/poor/stupid people and put them on an island and nuke it. Problem solved.
Eadwulf wrote:
You forget that money always takes precedence over human life, especially in western society. Or, rather, money is the primary determinant of the value of human life, personal worth and entitlement, etc. Just a cultural value; that's all.
These two posts basically sum up my thoughts...
Statistics: Posted by Regulus — November 25th, 2011, 4:22 pm
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Zilla wrote:
Wow...
My thoughts exactly.
lol Live and let live, no? If someone happens to be living wrong - sobeit. Not our fault. Why should we have to fix their problems.
Statistics: Posted by Demon — November 23rd, 2011, 10:17 pm
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Wow...
My thoughts exactly.
Statistics: Posted by Jackstick — November 23rd, 2011, 10:13 pm
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If we have the ability to do things like cure cancer or AIDS or TB or what have you then why shouldn't we? In my opinion not curing a disease like this because it would help people who some would say don't deserve help is not a valid reason at all.
Money aside, either we let nature keep our population down, or we find other means. Either way we're still managing to over populate our little rock and eventually the 'big killer' will be starvation and exposure to the elements.
Look at the dark ages
Statistics: Posted by Demon — November 23rd, 2011, 3:46 pm
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Statistics: Posted by Zilla — November 23rd, 2011, 8:14 am
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*stuff*
As much as it may be "morally wrong" to say this, but this is completely true. And the truth hurts.
I guess a huge generalization would be "survival of the fittest". Or in cancer's case, the luckiest (unless you run around nuclear waste...don't do that).
Do alpha male wolves help the sick and injured? Perhaps occasionally.
Really? Most likely not.
Leave them to die? Ding ding ding.
Animals we would consider primitive follow the basic rules of efficiency: "if it don't do stuff, it don't do stuff." They know staying with the injured would slow down the pack. What do they do? They migrate anyway. Leave the unfortunate to an even more unfortunate death. If humans weren't so culturalized and weren't good samaritans (lol) we wouldn't give a damn about a poor kid dying of malaria in central Africa, thousands of miles away. The world isn't a pretty place. We give vaccinations in hope of solving something, usually around the line of saving lives. Hope tends to be a big problem when dealing with these things. Sure, one day we might find a cure for malaria/cancer/HIV/whatever, but at what cost? Spending trillions of dollars to those who, quite frankly, don't deserve it? The money we could spend on vaccines for the poor we could invest in some kind of time machine or Star Trek warp speed/teleporter-whatever thing. Would finding an alien civilization be worth, perhaps, 500 million deaths? In countries that again, quite frankly, have no real use in society?
I'm not to answer that.
Obviously, if the alpha male could help the injured and old they would. But there comes a time and point where helping isn't helping at all. First-world countries have bigger problems than to deal with than vaccinations. Maybe for themselves, but as far as I know, malaria hasn't been a problem here in California. And I'm not Italian, or British, or a bunch of other races, but I could probably infer it isn't too big an epidemic over yonder.
I'm one to look forward towards optimism. Most of the time the world seems a nice big happy place. But every now and then, you get a wake-up slap. Some may sting, and some leave a mark even more red than the last girl (women aren't always the problem here, that was just a semi-witty metaphor).
Maybe I'm being overly critical.
Maybe I don't agree with a certain religion someone has somewhere.
Maybe I'll die for saying this in certain parts of the world.
I'm certainly not being racist, and I'm certainly not wrong.
It's the hard truth.
Some time in society we need to understand this.
Statistics: Posted by Rayseima — November 22nd, 2011, 8:11 pm
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That doesn't sound derogatory and racist at all. >.>
They've been 'babied' as a system since for ever - country after country tries to 'support' them. How can anyone expect them to stand on their own. -.-;
They still have tribes.
My point exactly. Quit supporting them. They'll either figure it out or die off. Let's spend billions developing TB, malaria, AIDS, etc vaccines for these people. Let nature take their course. We spend too much timing thinking of others when our own countries are failing (US, Greece, Egypt, etc......failures or heading there). Poor the money where it belongs, and where people are actually NEEDED to survive. I have no sympathy for those that refuse to help themselves, including those in the US. Want a handout? I'll hand you a $20 for raking my leaves.
For all I care allow them to start growing/making drugs to support their family. At least they are doing something. Let America worry about their "drug war" (failure).
And Africa/Asia is not a race. Last time I checked there are numerous races living in both. Good try.
Statistics: Posted by Burks — November 22nd, 2011, 1:46 pm
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Don't even get me started on Africa/Asia......they are a drain on the WORLD.
That doesn't sound derogatory and racist at all. >.>
They've been 'babied' as a system since for ever - country after country tries to 'support' them. How can anyone expect them to stand on their own. -.-;
They still have tribes.
Statistics: Posted by Demon — November 22nd, 2011, 1:31 pm
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For the sake of educating the less-medical savvy hopefuls in order to keep hopes from raising far too high, please do.
I've discussed this with a renowned cancer doctor recently.
The problem with messing with your immune system is fairly large. You may stop one type of cancer, but only switch the cancer to another type or region. The body will learn to attack cancer A, and still not attack cancer B. Now think about side effects of this vaccine. If it can completely change how your immune system works, what if it goes "wrong"? This isn't Tylenol we're talking about, it is CHANGING how your body works.
He went into some other things but I was totally lost (and with a temp of 101.5.....my brain was shutting down). Dude is immensely knowledgeable and very aggressive with his treatments. His patients hate him for a year or two but love him after.
Not to mention cancer is a great way to keep populations down. Yeah, it sucks people die, but not everyone can live forever. Businesses would be destroyed, hospitals shut down, doctors/nurses/etc out of jobs.
It's more than "OH WE CAN SAVE SOMEONE". Big deal. Saving everyone is a stupid idea. People complain we are overpopulated as it is. Now lets start wiping out diseases that kill millions a year......awesome.....
Now I do, on the other hand, support this in a different way. Selective "curing". Why give a 90 year old another few years of mooching off our healthcare system? They don't work. They haven't worked in years. Should we be saving the 80+ year olds that don't contribute or save the 10 year old that can provide and support our system for years to come? Don't even get me started on Africa/Asia......they are a drain on the WORLD.
Statistics: Posted by Burks — November 22nd, 2011, 1:15 pm
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Burks wrote:
I see so many problems with this.....it's not even funny nor am I even going to start discussing them.
For the sake of educating the less-medical savvy hopefuls in order to keep hopes from raising far too high, please do.
Nah, man. You aren't supposed to talk on forums.
Statistics: Posted by Spirographed — November 17th, 2011, 4:38 pm
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I see so many problems with this.....it's not even funny nor am I even going to start discussing them.
For the sake of educating the less-medical savvy hopefuls in order to keep hopes from raising far too high, please do.
Statistics: Posted by Kikori — November 17th, 2011, 12:00 pm
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