Come on Hoof, don't play games. You know darn well what the rules are and so forth. You are an intelligent person so I know you aren't misunderstanding the rules or anything like that.
You just wanted to push the rules as far as you could and got called out on it. Don't try to play it off any other way because you past shows different, you like to push the rules and then cry wolf when you are busted on them. There was no accidental swear or any emotion behind you. You just did it to do it.
By all means report me for power abuse if you really do feel that way and are not just saying that because you didn't like my tone with you. Unlike some people, I won't moan about any punishment if I did wrong.
The discussion is pretty much over. Eadwulf had good points as well as the other mods and Tweedy. As we've seen, certain people cannot follow the rules even when we relax them a bit, they just HAVE to break them on purpose to prove some sort of odd point...which I don't understand.
The question has been answered. Time for a lock. Hoof, feel free to PM me if you want to continue this or an admin. Neither of us will mind.
Statistics: Posted by Burks — August 2nd, 2008, 1:10 pm
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Hoof Hearted wrote:
Grow up Hoof. That's clear abuse of the rule. It's people like you who basically force us to be more strict. We give you an inch, you take a mile. Now stop it. Burks
Excuse me, fine sir, but I was merely doing what a moderator said was allowed.
Therefore you doing this was a clear abuse of power. It's people like you who basically force people to think mods are bias. We give you the benefit of the doubt, you screw us over. Now stop it.
-Hoof
A) Mackerel is not a mod (look at his rank)
B) Multiple moderators have posted in this topic and many have different views. A moderator's word is not final.
C) However, I think you'd find that most people would agree with Mackerel's comments, but what you were doing was deliberately trying to push against the boundaries. The "rules" on swearing do have some flexibility depending on the context in which the swearing took place (which I think Eadwulf showed rather well) and the intention of the swearing.
D) It's best to take any situations you view as moderator abuse of power to a Forum Admin. And it isn't a good start if you try ordering a moderator around.
Statistics: Posted by Tweedy — August 2nd, 2008, 9:11 am
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Grow up Hoof. That's clear abuse of the rule. It's people like you who basically force us to be more strict. We give you an inch, you take a mile. Now stop it. Burks
Excuse me, fine sir, but I was merely doing what a moderator said was allowed.
Therefore you doing this was a clear abuse of power. It's people like you who basically force people to think mods are bias. We give you the benefit of the doubt, you screw us over. Now stop it.
-Hoof
Statistics: Posted by Hoof Hearted — August 2nd, 2008, 9:01 am
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Nonetheless, I consider it a matter of whether or not censored words are actually being directed as an insult. Telling someone to go
themself: not good. However, belittling an extremely annoying advert that's on TV every five minutes isn't going to traumatise anyone. I also agree that littering sentences with more profanity than other words, regardless of context, is very stupid, even though I have done it a number of times...I'm sure this sounds a bit far-fetched to any present Soup Nazis, but I swear like a sailor without directing it at anyone, and so far I've only had, at most, one or two arguments with a certain remote few unmentionable individuals that're trying to invent reasons to validate their existence in a chatroom or are just simply convinced that I'm deliberately being some kind of troublemaker due to their extreme lack of social insight.
I also find it amusing that mods can't tell whether you're actually swearing or just typing *error* into the terminal. It seems that such things are only a luxury of the boards...
Statistics: Posted by Eadwulf — August 1st, 2008, 8:21 pm
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Mackerel wrote:
*error* you
I'm having a *error* bad day
This is bull*error*
Anyone of those lines are acceptable as a one off thing.
I'm having a *error* bad day
This is bull*error*
Anyone of those lines are acceptable as a one off thing.
So as long as it's only once, we can swear?
yeah.In Mack's eyes, and in Chat, its okay.
Statistics: Posted by Gamestar — August 1st, 2008, 12:22 pm
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Statistics: Posted by Hoof Hearted — August 1st, 2008, 10:18 am
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Mackstick wrote:
In your case it seems that Glodenox had given you a warning and kindly asked you to stop
Huh, what?
Mogo gave him a warning 
I have nothing to do with all this.
- Greetz Glodenox
Statistics: Posted by Mackerel — July 31st, 2008, 5:13 am
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In your case it seems that Glodenox had given you a warning and kindly asked you to stop
Huh, what?
Mogo gave him a warning I have nothing to do with all this.
- Greetz Glodenox
Statistics: Posted by Glodenox — July 31st, 2008, 3:06 am
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This is bull*error*
Anyone of those lines are acceptable as a one off thing.
*error* you, you *error* *error* son of a *error* I am so *error* *error* off today.
or something to that effect is not quite acceptable.
Basically, the occassional filter of a word is fine, if you depend on it too often it becomes unaccceptable. Most of the mods can see when someone is having a bad day and sometimes that is taken into account as long as the language doesn't continue.
In your case it seems that Goose had given you a warning and kindly asked you to stop. It is best to listen to the moderator in this case. I know it is hard because different mods interpret and deal with issues differently but basically if you stop when a mod asks you and then you will not be kicked. As per this section of the rules:
Quote:
While you are participating in the Chat Room you must obey the commands of a moderator, even if you disagree with them. If you believe that a moderator is biased, is unfairly warning you or another user and/or is breaching the Chat Rules, please take it up with one of the Chat Administrators. Similarly, if you wish to appeal a chat ban of any length, Private Message (PM) a Chat Administrator. Do not post your appeal in the forums.
Statistics: Posted by Mackerel — July 31st, 2008, 12:53 am
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Now I'm not quite sure what happened, whether the word was actually censored or not. However, what it seems to me is that it was censored and it ended up being something along the lines of "*error* you". Now this should not get a kick in my opinion, it should get more of a warning, and discerning from mogo's post it was. And I also gathered from mogo's post that it was also repeated dispite the warning. Now I am not a big fan of kicking or muting and especially so in banning, and would say that everything can most likely be solved without any need for moderator powers to be used. However, this also leads itself into how was the warning delivered was it "shut up, seapkilla" or "Do it again and I'll kick you" or was it more like, "Seapkilla, there is no need for that kind of language, so I suggest you calm down and stop talking that way, because the way your acting never solves any problems, and if you continue, someone will most likely kick you." Now of course that last one was a bit long and unrealistic, but you catch my drift, and its comments like that, that the mod team should present, rather than the first two. That being said, even if only the second response was given, and multiple warnings were given, its justified.
Also, I would like to add that swearing should never be used in chat, especially to belittle or flame someone, even if it is filtered, Seapkilla knows this, as he said, but this is a message to everyone that may read this.
Statistics: Posted by Thyker — July 30th, 2008, 11:17 pm
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What is so bad about a word? It is merely the way they are being used. The word stupid could be considered worse than the "f word" with different context.
Let words be words.
Statistics: Posted by Pyro3000 — July 30th, 2008, 11:08 pm
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It is NOT a crutch to lean on to get out of a warning. Just because it is filtered doesn't mean you are allowed to do it. What Mogo posted also goes for the forums.
Statistics: Posted by Burks — July 30th, 2008, 7:02 pm
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It also says in the Chat rules, and I quote:
Chat Rules wrote:
Minor offences include but are not limited to:
* Spamming
* Bad and offensive language
* Deliberate filter evasion
* Flaming and/or flame baiting
* Discussion of illegal practices (such as illegal file-sharing, illegal drug use) and anything else that isn't considered in keeping with a PG rating.
* Sexual harassment
* Racial harassment
Just because it's filtered, doesn't mean the language wasn't there. Hence why you were kicked.
Moose out
Statistics: Posted by Mogo — July 30th, 2008, 4:02 pm
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This leads me to today in chat where a certain administrator has decided that any curse warrents a kick, even if it is filtered.
So, Admins/Mods, can we have some sort of official consensus as to swearing?
Statistics: Posted by Kanye West — July 30th, 2008, 4:00 pm
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