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Sad to think we missed a perfect three-in-a-row lynch win because two villagers decided to play it safe and let a Mafia defend himself, but still.
The game would have played out totally different had Aragorn been lynched Day One. There definitely would have been more credence to lynch Sparky, Spiro and Paid, for instance.
Statistics: Posted by Topsummoner — November 19th, 2016, 12:33 pm
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That was a bad beat but I'm not sure there was a whole lot I could do once it was just me left.
The combination of blocking Paidea and killing Frank was the best thing you could have done. But with the Bus Driver up my sleeve, there was no way for you to reliably succeed, since the Roleblocker at that point could've only been Mafia-aligned.
- If I'd have roleclaimed after a fake-claim from you, it'd be taken at face value; that would be too many village roles to be conceivable.
- If I'd not roleclaimed after no fake-claim, the prediction would be you roleblock Paidea again, or kill him... and with me seen as vanilla, I'd be free to swap Paidea for you and end it with a flashy night-suicide.
- Leaving Frank alive would've meant having to roleblock and kill him at the same time in the following night to avoid the JoaT kill against you. By swapping Frank with Sparky or Thr, Frank would be freed up to waylay you in the night.
That said, incredibly fun game. Sad to think we missed a perfect three-in-a-row lynch win because two villagers decided to play it safe and let a Mafia defend himself, but still. Definitely fun when it gets rolling early!
Statistics: Posted by Kikori — November 18th, 2016, 5:30 pm
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That was a bad beat but I'm not sure there was a whole lot I could do once it was just me left.
Statistics: Posted by Aragorn Ix — November 18th, 2016, 11:16 am
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I was at an All Stewart concert and was distracted.
Thought I was like the vote before the hammer, not after. WHOOPS
Didn't read the Spiro science fun hour post yet, but I do plan to.
Villager fo life. :'(
Statistics: Posted by SparkyAMS — November 18th, 2016, 7:39 am
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Couldn't attack sparky for statistically never being mafia because I'm never mafia either.
Statistics: Posted by Pyro3000 — November 18th, 2016, 5:42 am
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EBWOP:
I've never heard the term "bussing" before... I picked up the context fairly easy, but legit, never heard it before.
Do we have any official rule book on the whole past 72 hour voting BUT before host ends the day situation? I don't know if it's ever been an issue but that was extremely close. (And if Sparky's vote was necessary it would have been over...) So do we have some unwritten rule in place I'm not familiar about with regard to this?
I wanted to comment on this but also insisted on maintaining a hands off approach. In my opinion the day ends when, and only when the host says it does. Unless they specifically say that it is "twilight" between the time the day ends and the time they post in the OP. Twilight being s time where you can continue to post but no votes will count and any daytime roles cannot be activated.
And I've heard and used the term bussing in almost every game here.
Statistics: Posted by Landerpurex — November 18th, 2016, 12:58 am
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Do we have any official rule book on the whole past 72 hour voting BUT before host ends the day situation? I don't know if it's ever been an issue but that was extremely close. (And if Sparky's vote was necessary it would have been over...) So do we have some unwritten rule in place I'm not familiar about with regard to this?
Statistics: Posted by Frank 4.0.1 — November 18th, 2016, 12:36 am
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Even though Frank was being hella stubborn I'm glad we were able to lay off each other and make progress.
I thought I was being inviting until you started laying into me that I was mafia!
I have to concur with the general concensus. Kikori was really good... He had me paranoid since Day 1 that I felt into some Machiavellian trap of his. Definitely a fun game. Could use a bit to charge my batteries and I'll be ready to tackle some more.
Statistics: Posted by Frank 4.0.1 — November 18th, 2016, 12:28 am
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In light of the fact that he was a bus driver, I guess dual visiting mafia is balanced.
Even though Frank was being hella stubborn I'm glad we were able to lay off each other and make progress.
I think this is the first time I've ever had an informative role on RV which heavily skewed my reads. At least my targeting was good enough.
Since no one is queued, I would like to host next. I too, am fond of "item" focused games and could make it holiday themed.
Statistics: Posted by Paidea — November 17th, 2016, 11:55 pm
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I was totally right Day 1 about basically everything except thinking Sparky was scum.
Kikori for MVP.
I'm terribly sorry for Aragorn's luck. Let it be known: Aragorn is always mafia, Sparky is always town.
I don't think I've ever seen Paidea be so wrong. Day Three admitting he was wrong up to this point, rethinking the game, and coming back and STILL BEING REALLY WRONG was pretty intense. good to have you back though
Mafia, but especially Pyro, I hate you.
GG, WP. Pretty cool game not gonna lie, even being dead.
Statistics: Posted by Topsummoner — November 17th, 2016, 11:54 pm
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Did you read the string theory spoiler in full, Sparky?
Statistics: Posted by Spirographed — November 17th, 2016, 11:50 pm
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Aragorn showed his card to the rest of the players, revealing him to be the Mafia Roleblocker.
The rest of the party goers erupted in cheers as the game was won for the town. And now everyone could reconvene and eat more ice cream.
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Here are roles in their entirety and all night action:
1. Topsummoner - Keymaker - Town - Killed N1
2. Pyro3000 - Career criminal - Mafia - Lynched D2
3. Spirographed - Vanilla Townie - Killed N2
4. Paidea - Watcher - Town
5. Aragorn Ix - Roleblocker - Mafia - Lynched D4
6. Sighence - Godfather - Mafia - Lynched D3
7. Frank 4.0.1 - JoaT - Town - Killed N3
8. SparkyAMS - Vanilla Townie
9. Thr - Vanilla Townie
10. Kikori - Bus Driver - Town
Night One Action
Kikori Drives Aragorn and Paidea
Aragorn Roleblocks Spirographed
Pyro Stalks Frank>>>>Learns he is JoaT
Paidea watches Kikori>>>>Sees Frank and Top visit
Frank investigates Kikori>>>Kikori is town
Top gives Kikori a key
Mafia Kills Top
Night Two Action
Aragorn Roleblocks Frank
Frank tries to save kikori>>>>is roleblocked
Paidea watches Frank
Monk kills Spirographed
Kikori locks himself into his house
Night Three Action
Paidea watches Kikori>>>>>is roleblocked by Aragorn
Kikori drives Sparky and Aragorn
Aragorn kills Frank
THOUGHTS ON THIS GAME
I want to thank everyone involved for making this the most fun, most entertaining game to watch in a long, long time. The discussion was incredible, as was kikori's propensity to be right almost 100% of the time.
This game had too many roles. BUT in my opinion it was balanced as there were no real 'power roles' in the traditional sense of the word. The keymaker, exactly as kikori pointed out, gives one person a key per night and after that point that person can choose to use the key during any night phase, self protecting them from harm but also roleblocking themselves.
Frank had a protect, a investigate, and a vig kill. As we all know the vig kill could go either way.
If anything having both a bus driver and watcher was overkill for the town, but I had decided to have three mafia and giving them two roles, in my eyes, made up for it.
Career criminal was a mafia JoaT, with one arson, one janitor, and one stalk. WHY they chose to kill defeat and let frank live after the successful stalk is way beyond me. And then there was the roleblocker, who could obviously roleblock every night.
Monk had no powers but had to designate a killer every night.
Notes on semantics: locking oneself in your own house would supercede all other action. IE, aragorn roleblocks Kikori, he would fail due to the house being locked. If kikori had bussed Aragorn and Frank, aragorn would have killed himself.
My choice to allow the individual mafia member to use both the nightkill and their role was that they had TWICE the odds of being seen and/or roleblocked by a keyholder. It was 100% balanced in that regard alone.
This game swung from heavily favoring the town during an almost D1 lynch of Aragorn to heavily favoring the mafia once they were armed with the stalk information, back to heavily favoring the town after a successful lynch of Pyro and pretty much was downhill for the mafia after that.
With all that being said, discuss as you will, I will probably play in the next game. But I became somewhat obsessed with the idea of mafia game/s where items are given out in the night for use, SOMEONE PLEASE host the epicmafia christmas variant where Santa gives out gifts at night....
Thanks again everyone, cheers for making this game a memorable one. Apologies if it did not seem balanced, but in my opinion, it was.
Statistics: Posted by Landerpurex — November 17th, 2016, 11:39 pm
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Statistics: Posted by Paidea — November 17th, 2016, 10:51 pm
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-visiting roles are not typically told that their action failed when targeting a jail kept player. However, all roles are usually explicitly told when they've been roleblocked. Frank said that Lander informed him of being blocked, just like I was this Dawn.
-Aragorn cannot be bodyguard or doctor else Frank would be alive and I would have confirmed him as clear. Aragorn cannot be cop or tracker because he would have confirmed Frank's story and not been voting him. Aragorn cannot be jailkeeper because our pseudo-jailkeeper already died. Aragorn cannot be drunk (town blocker) because he would confirm Frank's story, again. Aragorn cannot be mason because Frank would have said something. Aragorn cannot be a backup role because he's already visited. And finally Aragorn cannot be watcher because counter claiming me would be an auto-win for the town. He can't be vigilante, gunsmith, etc. There is basically no town role I can think of that makes logical sense for Aragorn to claim.
-If Lander was trying to balance this game (which he wasn't, because dual visiting mafia is OP, but whatever), he probably made 3 town PRS and 3 mafia PRS. Town had watcher, JoaT, and Key master. Mafia had career Criminal (which probably has something to do with the Keys), Godfather, and Roleblocker.
Statistics: Posted by Paidea — November 17th, 2016, 10:50 pm
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Statistics: Posted by Thr — November 17th, 2016, 10:30 pm
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